Would ponies feel if you touched their horn?

[BlueStreak98 828]

1 hour ago, K.Rool Addict said:

I would imagine if their horn was broken, however, it would be quite painful O_O

Oh yeah. I figure it'd be a lot like a fractured bone; usually fixable if not completely detached, but veeeeery unpleasant in the meantime.

[K.Rool Addict 718]

Would prolly mess with their whole "magic system" as well  Even after it's fixed I don't see it functioning nearly as well as before...

[Castle Bleck 19,383]

 

Pony!Sauron says yes, even if he does manage to twist it to his advantage ("Yes... Crystals...").

[Ganondox 899]

10 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

Implying that there is less of a probability for a trait to be exhibited by families of the same order because the creatures in other families do not exhibit said trait than for a trait to be exhibited among completely different families of the same class even though one of the orders in question does not exhibit said trait is a bit off. If it looks like a rhino's horn and the animal belongs into the same order, then it's probably something similar. Heck, some ancestors of modern rhinos look pretty horse-like. For you argument's sake, the closest thing to a bony horn among Perissodactyla is the bulbous protrusion of the extinct family of Bronthotheriidae. I'm not sure that thing was even coated in keratin.

But orders aren't as important as clades are, and the clade with rhino horns does not include horses. It would probably be as much as deviation for a horse to grow a rhino horn as it would be to grow a bony horn. It's not like the ponies in the show are that similar to real horses anyway, and wings would be much harder to explain than any sort of horn. 

[Rawzy 1,302]

I've seen enough pony clop to know that they can definitely feel with that thing...

[Goat-kun 2,530]

7 hours ago, Ganondox said:

But orders aren't as important as clades are, and the clade with rhino horns does not include horses. It would probably be as much as deviation for a horse to grow a rhino horn as it would be to grow a bony horn. It's not like the ponies in the show are that similar to real horses anyway, and wings would be much harder to explain than any sort of horn. 

It is important if you look at their evolution. Perissodactyla and Artiodactyla separated and never looked back. Rhinos evolved from tapir-horse-like things that had no horn. And since it had happened before, it is more likely for another horse-like-thing to grow such a horn. But if your canon is strapping a goat horn in the middle of a horse's forehead then knock yourself out.

[Ganondox 899]

6 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

It is important if you look at their evolution. Perissodactyla and Artiodactyla separated and never looked back. Rhinos evolved from tapir-horse-like things that had no horn. And since it had happened before, it is more likely for another horse-like-thing to grow such a horn. But if your canon is strapping a goat horn in the middle of a horse's forehead then knock yourself out.

But you're missing the point that only the rhino grow that sort of horn, not anything else in the order. A completely different sort of horn could have evolved. It's like pterodactyls and birds, both are archosaurs which achieved flights, but in completely different ways. Only shared characteristic in the clade for the benefit of flight is their pneumatic bones. Considering that many reptiles also have true horns and thus it's not a trait unique to Artiodactyla, it's not unreasonable to assume it could arise independently in Perissodactyla. Meanwhile, rhino horns are exclusive to Rhinocerotidae. It happened ONCE in Perissodactyla, and once is not enough to give any sense of probability.  Also, the unicorn horn clearly isn't the same as a rhino horn because it grows out of a different spot and has a different shape, regardless of it's exact composition. Finally, it's wrong to assume ponies are a member of Perissodactyla because of they are from Equestria, not earth, and their morphology is *very* different from actual equines. They are also magic, which is probably the most important factor to consider. 

[Catpone Cerberus 23,670]

I would say yes. Even though magic haven't been explained too well, I believe that because magic can be used through the horn, that means, that there is nerves that make it happen, meaning that they can feel with their horn. This is how I see it at least.

[Goat-kun 2,530]

1 hour ago, Ganondox said:

But you're missing the point that only the rhino grow that sort of horn, not anything else in the order. A completely different sort of horn could have evolved. It's like pterodactyls and birds, both are archosaurs which achieved flights, but in completely different ways. Only shared characteristic in the clade for the benefit of flight is their pneumatic bones. Considering that many reptiles also have true horns and thus it's not a trait unique to Artiodactyla, it's not unreasonable to assume it could arise independently in Perissodactyla. Meanwhile, rhino horns are exclusive to Rhinocerotidae. It happened ONCE in Perissodactyla, and once is not enough to give any sense of probability.  Also, the unicorn horn clearly isn't the same as a rhino horn because it grows out of a different spot and has a different shape, regardless of it's exact composition. Finally, it's wrong to assume ponies are a member of Perissodactyla because of they are from Equestria, not earth, and their morphology is *very* different from actual equines. They are also magic, which is probably the most important factor to consider. 

Firstly, pterodactyls are a vertebrate genus of class Reptilia. Basically, pterosaurs (including pterodactyls) are flying lizards that, alongside bats (class Mammalia) and birds (class Avis) adapted to flight. This is convergent evolution and nothing more. You are stating that two similar organs are interchangeable because they both serve the same function and can thus easily evolve as they are in nearly any species that are distantly related. Clades like Archosauria are way too broad. You are not respecting the divergence beings inside these groups have achieved. Could horses grow goat horns under some undisclosed circumstances? I guess. But why would they? In all this time horses haven't been growing horns. We are talking about a hypothetical horse with a horn and we must take a horn from the animal kingdom and place it on its skull. I'm saying that we should go with the rhino version not because horses had such horns but because related creatures similar to horses had them. You won't get a better design foundation than this.

 

Secondly, I checked the anatomy of lizard horns. They are similar but not the same to the mammal versions and thus prove nothing.

 

Thirdly, keratinized protuberances can easily grow from anywhere. I also encourage you to look up rhino ancestors, particularly Elasmotherium. Some say this animal was the true unicorn.

 

Fourthly, ponies are horses. It is logical to assume their order despite the magic.

[Kaneki 1,073]

I would think they would feel it, and that it'd be quite rude to touch their horn. I don't know why, but I just think so.

now that's gonna be taken in the wrong way, i just realized while writing this up :c

[Ganondox 899]

3 hours ago, Goat-kun said:

Firstly, pterodactyls are a vertebrate genus of class Reptilia. Basically, pterosaurs (including pterodactyls) are flying lizards that, alongside bats (class Mammalia) and birds (class Avis) adapted to flight. This is convergent evolution and nothing more. You are stating that two similar organs are interchangeable because they both serve the same function and can thus easily evolve as they are in nearly any species that are distantly related. Clades like Archosauria are way too broad. You are not respecting the divergence beings inside these groups have achieved. Could horses grow goat horns under some undisclosed circumstances? I guess. But why would they? In all this time horses haven't been growing horns. We are talking about a hypothetical horse with a horn and we must take a horn from the animal kingdom and place it on its skull. I'm saying that we should go with the rhino version not because horses had such horns but because related creatures similar to horses had them. You won't get a better design foundation than this.

 

 

 

Secondly, I checked the anatomy of lizard horns. They are similar but not the same to the mammal versions and thus prove nothing.

 

 

 

Thirdly, keratinized protuberances can easily grow from anywhere. I also encourage you to look up rhino ancestors, particularly Elasmotherium. Some say this animal was the true unicorn.

 

 

 

Fourthly, ponies are horses. It is logical to assume their order despite the magic.

Yeah, no to all. You are putting way too much emphasis on the Linnaean system, and your assumptions are ridiculous. Unicorn horns look nothing like rhino horns, so they probably aren't. Let's consider pegasi. How are you going to explain their wings using orders? It's utterly absurd. Just accept ponies as what they are instead of blatantly abusing evolutionary biology. 

[Goat-kun 2,530]

8 hours ago, Ganondox said:

Yeah, no to all. You are putting way too much emphasis on the Linnaean system, and your assumptions are ridiculous. Unicorn horns look nothing like rhino horns, so they probably aren't. Let's consider pegasi. How are you going to explain their wings using orders? It's utterly absurd. Just accept ponies as what they are instead of blatantly abusing evolutionary biology. 

I'm going from phylogenetics while putting a creature's morphology into account. And of course my assumptions are ridiculous. We're talking about an Equestrian unicorn as if it was an incomplete fossilized find and we need to connect all the dots.

 

However, do tell me how you're gonna justify considering other kind of protrusions over this one. Are you gonna say "Poof, it's magic!" like you're doing with the pegasi? If such loose relativism is your only stance then have you perchance come here just to argue? Rest assured, science won't be any lesser for bearing our little abuse in the realm of fantasy.

[Ganondox 899]

And I'm saying tackling it as an incomplete fossil find is the wrong way to do it (though if we had a fossil we would know the nature of it's horn). 

Poof, magic, is the only explanation which makes any sense. How about you explain why they have wings, but they need to have a rhino styled horn. 

[BlueStreak98 828]

On 4/20/2017 at 7:57 PM, K.Rool Addict said:

Would prolly mess with their whole "magic system" as well  Even after it's fixed I don't see it functioning nearly as well as before...

If property healed, with a little bit of rehab I think it would work the same as before. Otherwise, I agree.