Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 18, 2019 Share January 18, 2019 Also, how is this a song for studying when it's feels-inducing? I never got my feels trip permission slip signed... https://youtu.be/8d7F5ikbajU Hold on: a happy ending at the expense of the protagonist; something i thought for a while and felt like me; when your absence is more beneficial than your prescense... <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: Hold on: a happy ending at the expense of the protagonist; something i thought for a while and felt like me; when your absence is more beneficial than your prescense... I doubt that is true; Starlight and to a certain extent Trixie are good examples of the Pony theme of redemption and re-admittance to the herd. Only non-ponies are ever truely destroyed, and even then, only S3 Sombre would seem to be beyond recovery (presumably if you could reassemble the Storm KIng and use magic to make the repairs seamless, its possible his petrification could be reversed, too. The dark side of Pony redemption though is that it doesn't actually reward sanctification, but conformity; Pharynx's redemption came, not from changing who he is, but from the Hive shifting in attitude to accomodate him after appreciating his value. The Hive is still small enough to do that as a unit, while Ponydom may struggle. Still, the Crystal Empire (very much the Canadians of the Equestrian world) are often an exception (look at their acceptance of Thorax for an example, even if it took Spike singing at them to achieve it) ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 Hey guys, what are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Key Sharkz said: Hey guys, what are we talking about? How hard work is, how awesome coffee is, and @Ganaram Inukshuk's desire to see Trixie bugified ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 Just now, CypherHoof said: How hard work is, how awesome coffee is, and @Ganaram Inukshuk's desire to see Trixie bugified Neat! I am making some coffee before work myself! It's a bit weird to be in charge of people now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Key Sharkz said: Neat! I am making some coffee before work myself! It's a bit weird to be in charge of people now. Indeed. I do that when I have to, but people are hard, and technology is more predictable and easier to deal with ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 Just now, CypherHoof said: Indeed. I do that when I have to, but people are hard, and technology is more predictable and easier to deal with Yeah, but I sadly deal with people all day. Some of my co-workers are great, but this newer lady we have she... She basically complains about everything even though she only wants to do the bare minimums. Like I do what I can to try and make her happy, but my power is limited. Yesterday I let her go home early since she wanted to, and I kind of feel like she didn't even really appreciate that too much. I'm generally a nice person in real life, but it does bug me when I am regularly nice to you and I never really feel like you even appreciate it. Like this lady is always complaining about something even though we've bent over backward to accommodate her. I think my bosses are getting to the end of their ropes on that though. Soon it's going to just be "you get what you get and you don't throw a fit." It's sad because my bosses are so laid back it's not even funny. I can't see a reason to complain all the time at a job so laid back. Literally, I have tattoos, facial piercings and my wife has the same and wild hair colors (I intend on getting Rarity's cut in my avatar very soon) and my bosses are cool with it. I wear gothic and punk stuff to work and no one bats an eye. Like we're a super laid back environment and yet people are always finding a reason to complain about nonsense. Sorry, vent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Key Sharkz said: Sorry, vent. That's fine, its just the way life sometimes is - some always see others trying to be nice and helpful as weak and to be taken advantage of; that those others DESERVE to be climbed on and trodden down on the path to greatness. Invariably, that only holds true for as long as those above them and those being taken advantage of are willing to put up with their BS though. ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 19, 2019 Share January 19, 2019 (edited) And I still can't properly explain anything... Umm, ghosting; you ghost everyone you know because you either can't trust them or you can't trust yourself enough to be with them, but when you do, you run away and start a new life with a new name. I'm trying to design a character who is on an insane level of distrust; basically pushing out anyone who offers help and insisting on doing everything herself, and never explaining her motives or reasoning to anyone. Worse: she firmly believes her happiest days are behind her and never does anything enjoyable and she wants to suppress everything about her past because it reminds her of a happy moment that can never happen again. She's also fairly young so her reasoning doesn't have to make sense either; psychological barriers are a pita in the backside. Why is she so distrustful? I'll get to that later. My other side idea is a changeling and kirin who became friends, but both of them have to disguise themselves as ponies because ponies are still a little freaked out about changelings and kirins are too awesome. My other other side idea is when is it justifiable for a unicorn to wear mechanical wings? EDIT: oh yeah, when she realises why she is, she ditches the only friend who ever knew her the most because she realised how much of a headache she was to her friend; leaving was the best thing she can ever do to her friend. Edited January 19, 2019 by Ganaram Inukshuk <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: And I still can't properly explain anything... Umm, ghosting; you ghost everyone you know because you either can't trust them or you can't trust yourself enough to be with them, but when you do, you run away and start a new life with a new name. I'm trying to design a character who is on an insane level of distrust; basically pushing out anyone who offers help and insisting on doing everything herself, and never explaining her motives or reasoning to anyone. Worse: she firmly believes her happiest days are behind her and never does anything enjoyable and she wants to suppress everything about her past because it reminds her of a happy moment that can never happen again. She's also fairly young so her reasoning doesn't have to make sense either; psychological barriers are a pita in the backside. Why is she so distrustful? I'll get to that later. Quite a depressing character outline, but seen worse. 4 hours ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: My other side idea is a changeling and kirin who became friends, but both of them have to disguise themselves as ponies because ponies are still a little freaked out about changelings and kirins are too awesome. Original Changelings (if there still are any) are not going to be popular with ponies. they don't seem to care about the glitterbugs (maybe they just don't recognise them as changelings?) And I haven't seen any negative reactions to kirins, although you could understand niriks not being invited to parties. 4 hours ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: My other other side idea is when is it justifiable for a unicorn to wear mechanical wings? Not sure why they would? The wings of a pegasus are just the focus of their Wingpower magic - everything else they can do (cloud walking and wrangling, flight and heavy lifting, tornados) are applied Wingpower, not crude mechanical lift. ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 (edited) The character I'm talking about, I'm funnelling every frustration I've ever had in my life into her character development. Which ones? Impossible to say. I wanna elaborate on her more, though. The other character I have, I had to rewrite his backstory several times, and it's currently at "his entire family died in a fire and now his aunt lives with him". The other other character I have, he's me and his backstory should line up more or less with my significant life events. The other other other character I have, he's the only character who was designed appearance-first, not personality-first; he's also the only character whose cutie mark was recycled from a class project and it's his cutie mark that I secretly hide in nearly every image I've ever made. Also, imagine a perpetually angery but still functional kirin (not a nirik just yet but technically nirik). Also imagine a changeling who regularly prefers being in a pony form. Alright, here's her (proposed and nonexhaustive) dark philosophies: "You either understand me or you don't; there is no in-between." "Asking me whether I trust you is enough to make me lose all trust in you." "All it takes is one mistake for everyone (she also hates ponycentric pronouns) to hate you." "It's better to never say anything than to be misunderstood." I could go on spitballing ideas to see which ones are good. By spitball, I mean throwing stuff (spitballs, spaghetti noodles, whatever else is sticky) on a figurative wall and seeing which one stick. Edited January 20, 2019 by Ganaram Inukshuk <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 Making a character with a depressing backstory that remains likeable to readers isn’t the easiest thing for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Key Sharkz said: Making a character with a depressing backstory that remains likeable to readers isn’t the easiest thing for sure. Very Pony though - given all the redemption arcs, Fizzlepop and so forth. or Sergeant Calhoun from Wreck it Ralph.. ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 Is it reasonable for my character to hide her sorrow with pure anger? Or rather, her anger being a result of her many failed attempts to express her sorrow? "What you think, what you feel, what you believe in, none of it matters when no one wants to listen to you." I imagine her saying that to some random pony just to break said pony, but also to herself at night when she's all alone. <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: Is it reasonable for my character to hide her sorrow with pure anger? Or rather, her anger being a result of her many failed attempts to express her sorrow? "What you think, what you feel, what you believe in, none of it matters when no one wants to listen to you." I imagine her saying that to some random pony just to break said pony, but also to herself at night when she's all alone. It all depends on how you go about it. A lot of characters hide pain with anger, so long as it’s done well it’s a viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 I kinda wanna investigate the limits of redeemability; at what point is a character like infinitesimally close to being a lost cause? <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: I kinda wanna investigate the limits of redeemability; at what point is a character like infinitesimally close to being a lost cause? That's very much in the eye of the beholder though; at what point do others stop trying to be there for them? ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, CypherHoof said: That's very much in the eye of the beholder though; at what point do others stop trying to be there for them? I could think of a few situations and none of them are any good (and I'm still talking about my distrustful character): Declaring them as enemies outright Straight-up abandoning them (ghosting?) From experience, it takes a minimum of one "I don't want your help" response to drive someone out, but for anyone who has never met the character before; it takes a lot more for anyone else but I'd imagine she'll end up winning in the end and she'll just be as lonely as she was <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: I could think of a few situations and none of them are any good (and I'm still talking about my distrustful character): Declaring them as enemies outright Straight-up abandoning them (ghosting?) From experience, it takes a minimum of one "I don't want your help" response to drive someone out, but for anyone who has never met the character before; it takes a lot more for anyone else but I'd imagine she'll end up winning in the end and she'll just be as lonely as she was There is a difference between acceptance and redemption though - the latter assumes the character will be willing and able to change in order to conform with expected behavour; the former that the others will be able to work around or ignore the issues they have with the character, To give examples - GlimGlam is the latter (I think trying to fix everything with magic is a unicorn trait though, given Twi does that too) but Pharynx is the former. ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: I kinda wanna investigate the limits of redeemability; at what point is a character like infinitesimally close to being a lost cause? I proposed the same question in stories before. From what I gather people are willing to forgive: Murder Murdering people for fun But it seems the limit is drawn at child murder. You kill one kid without a justifiable reason and no one cares if you cure cancer and AIDS the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 Murder wouldn't be an option given how young the character is and I can never remember the difference between former and latter... Something I'm guilty of doing many times; rejecting advice that I asked for. Imagine this: she explains her family situation to someone, misspeaks about it, gives someone the wrong impression, said someone gives the wrong advice, and she scolds (maybe beats up?) said someone for giving said advice. Then she swears to never explain her family again. <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly 1,011 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 Ganny what is this have you betrayed the true lounge for this knock-off We have two ears and one mouth, so we should listen more than we say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 Just now, Olly said: Ganny what is this have you betrayed the true lounge for this knock-off I dunno... <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly 1,011 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ganaram Inukshuk said: I dunno... We have two ears and one mouth, so we should listen more than we say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganaram Inukshuk 3,682 January 21, 2019 Share January 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Olly said: The last time I had a confrontation like this, I gave up roleplaying a few months later and have been too scared to try again. One of my shameful moments... Edited January 21, 2019 by Ganaram Inukshuk <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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