Unexplained things in the show.

[Jane 123]

I open this topic to discuss things without explanation happened in the story within the show.

- The story of Moondancer and Twilight at Celestia's school--

Something I wondered since season 5 was why Celestia never paid attention to Moondancer, in `` Celestial Advice '' we see a flashback and Celestia's concern for Twilight, but Twilight was never excluded or her companions ignored her, she ignored them to them, Minuette, Lemon Hearts and Twinkleshine wanted to be her friends, but she believed that all the ponies were crazy, the problem was Twilight's , not the others, Moondancer was the one that most affected this, since Twilight did not value her friendship, But Celestia didn't care about her other students? Or did she only care about the welfare of her star student?

Anyway, comment the things you never understood why happened on the show.

[Singe 2,111]

- Wind Rider confessing and the rules for investigation in Rarity Investigates! -

Despite everything Rarity laid out in her case, her evidence was just circumstantial for a hypothesis that it was Wind Rider who set up Rainbow Dash. Her entire case hinged on Wind Rider coming clean. Wind Rider could have still denied any involvement as the evidence against Rainbow Dash was still stronger and Rarity was bias towards protecting Rainbow Dash by shifting the accusation on to him.

This all started because the Wonderbolts don't have an independent investigation policy to handle infractions, where the accused is guilty and have to go about proving their innocent.

[Will Guide 21,362]

I was a little disappointed when the time traveling Season 5 Finale didn't even give so much of a clue of where Spike's egg came from.

So, I made up my own backstory for Spike's parents (being very kind, unusual for most dragons, but fated to die/disappear). Spike's egg would have perished unless someone (like my OC would have taken it to someone like Celestia.

Before Father Knows Beast, I was worried it would ruin the idea of Spike's parents being Kind Parents wanting their child to have its best chance. Thanks goodness I don't have to worry about that

[Pentium100 2,173]

9 hours ago, Jane said:

Or did she only care about the welfare of her star student?

As I understand how the school works is that there are regular teachers for all students and Celestia only manages the school and teaches additional things to her personal student. So, unless the others did something to distinguish themselves from everyone else (good or bad), they would not have come into Celestia's attention, just like the headmaster of a school may not know each student and their problems unless those problems are big enough or the student won some sort of award etc. Not having friends would most likely not be big enough deal to notify Celestia.

On the other hand, Celestia would talk with her personal student and care about her more, though not enough to warn her before sending her to danger, I guess. I also think that Twilight would not want to talk about her friends with Celestia, unless Celestia asked. After Twilight went to Ponyville, there was no reason for Celestia to keep tabs on Twilight's Canterlot friends.

26 minutes ago, Singe said:

Her entire case hinged on Wind Rider coming clean.

Rarity provided evidence that Rainbow could have been framed. If Wind Rider did not confess, there would probably still be enough evidence that somebody tried to frame Rainbow.

[Jane 123]

4 hours ago, Pentium100 said:

As I understand how the school works is that there are regular teachers for all students and Celestia only manages the school and teaches additional things to her personal student. So, unless the others did something to distinguish themselves from everyone else (good or bad), they would not have come into Celestia's attention, just like the headmaster of a school may not know each student and their problems unless those problems are big enough or the student won some sort of award etc. Not having friends would most likely not be big enough deal to notify Celestia.

On the other hand, Celestia would talk with her personal student and care about her more, though not enough to warn her before sending her to danger, I guess. I also think that Twilight would not want to talk about her friends with Celestia, unless Celestia asked. After Twilight went to Ponyville, there was no reason for Celestia to keep tabs on Twilight's Canterlot friends.

Twilight and Moondancer were in the same class, literally in front of Celestia.

[Pentium100 2,173]

13 minutes ago, Jane said:

Twilight and Moondancer were in the same class, literally in front of Celestia.

It's not like they were fighting in front of her. Also, it seems that Twilight and Moondancer got along just fine until Celestia sent Twilight to Ponyville without warning. After that I doubt that Moondancer came to Celestia to talk about Twilight. Moondancer probably looked just fine (maybe sad because her friend got sent away). As Moondancer was not Celestia's personal student (like Twilight or Sunset), they probably did not talk much outside of the classroom.

I know I didn't talk much to any of my teachers on topics other than what the teacher was teaching (sometimes I would ask some electronics question of the physics teacher etc, but I did not talk about other things).

[CypherHoof 26,483]

5 hours ago, Pentium100 said:

As I understand how the school works is that there are regular teachers for all students and Celestia only manages the school and teaches additional things to her personal student.

No, Celestia was teaching actual classes - if you look at the flashback in S7's Celestial Advice, you can see that she is teaching an entire class growth magic. S6's The Crystalling also shows that she recognised and understood Sunburst's problems, even though he was no longer a pupil, so clearly she was not a "hands off" administrator.

But equally, as her personal protégé Twi obviously got special treatment (even if she wasn't even TOLD about the Restricted Section ) - it is possible that the other students would have had a guidance counselor (after all, Twi gave GlimGlam that job at HER school) and that, as Celestia was clearly grooming Twi as a future princess during this period, paid more attention to her personal development (which was, after al, the key to her unlocking the Element power she held) than she would have had she been grooming Twi as a potential teacher for the school in her future.

I also can see how, as a caring, sensitive pony, Celestia would NEED to keep some professional distance between herself and her much shorter-lived subjects; Twilight, being on the Alicorn track, would be an exception given she would potentially outlive Celestia herself if she succeeded in earning her wings (which of course she did)

[nightshroud96 124]

I wished they explained Spike's origins for real instead of trolling us.
At least explain how did his egg ended up with Celestia's school since eggs of sapient beings don't just pop up from thin air and into the possession of ponies like that.

And I wished they explained more on the alicorns. Like where did Luna and Celestia came from, why are there only 5 actual Alicorns(2 of them being originally regular ponies). Are there anymore alicorns out there?  Stuff like that.
 

[Pentium100 2,173]

7 hours ago, CypherHoof said:

No, Celestia was teaching actual classes

So? That doesn't mean that she interacted with all of the students after classes and such. She was teaching a class to everyone, but presumable was giving private lessons to Twilight in addition to the common class.

7 hours ago, CypherHoof said:

it is possible that the other students would have had a guidance counselor

Who probably would not report everything to Celestia. So, Celestia might have cared about Twilight's friends when Twilight was in Canterlot, but those ponnies would become just regular students after Twilight was sent to Ponyville.

So, unless Moondancer came to Celestia and told her about her problems, I do not think that Celestia would have known or noticed them.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

1 minute ago, Pentium100 said:

So? That doesn't mean that she interacted with all of the students after classes and such. She was teaching a class to everyone, but presumable was giving private lessons to Twilight in addition to the common class.

I didn't say she did. I just corrected your statement " Celestia only manages the school "

2 minutes ago, Pentium100 said:

So, unless Moondancer came to Celestia and told her about her problems, I do not think that Celestia would have known or noticed them. 

Which was why I made a point about there probably being a guidance counselor for that, but the thing about a guidance counselor is they usually act on a referral from a teacher or in response to a query from a student themselves - they don't go out looking for stuff to work on.  So unless celestia (or one of the other teachers) made a point of referring her, not much would happen.

But of course, "magic of friendship" and all that, Celestia HAD to force Twi into a situation where she would interact with the remaining mares of the Elemental group, So personally sent her to oversee the peparations where ALL the other ponies assigned roles were (mysteriously) the five mares she would need on her quest.  Up until that point, Twi hadn't cared about making any friends, which is actually in contrast to Moondancer (who admired and respected Twi, so wanted to form a bond with her, but clearly didn't care about the other ponies who wanted to be friends with HER, given her withdrawl when Twi didn't attend her party)

[Singe 2,111]

14 hours ago, Pentium100 said:

Rarity provided evidence that Rainbow could have been framed. If Wind Rider did not confess, there would probably still be enough evidence that somebody tried to frame Rainbow.

Not likely considering the time limit imposed and her theory was pinning it on Wind Rider which still had holes. Rarity would not have been able to walk it back once she made the accusation it was Wind Rider.

Edited December 30, 2019 by Singe

[Pentium100 2,173]

3 hours ago, Singe said:

Not likely considering the time limit imposed and her theory was pinning it on Wind Rider which still had holes.

I am not a lawyer (but I watch a lot of crime TV shows). I think that Rarity would still have created "reasonable doubt". At least that's how some of the bad guys in crime T shows get away - there is enough evidence to show that A did it, but there is some evidence that show that B did it. A gets released because of reasonable doubt, but there is not enough evidence to put B in prison.

[Jane 123]

18 hours ago, nightshroud96 said:

And I wished they explained more on the alicorns. Like where did Luna and Celestia came from, why are there only 5 actual Alicorns(2 of them being originally regular ponies). Are there anymore alicorns out there?  Stuff like that.

I think they are practically spirits, connected to their respective celestial bodies, but maybe 'cause of the format or episodic form of the series, they did not explain it.

[CypherHoof 26,483]

11 minutes ago, Jane said:

I think they are practically spirits, connected to their respective celestial bodies, but maybe 'cause of the format or episodic form of the series, they did not explain it.

Technically, Crazy Glow was an alicorn for a while too. Only one "born" Alicorn is known, and that is Flurry Heart, presumably Celestia and Luna had affinities (shown by their cutie marks) for their respective solar objects, which prior to their elevation required a team of unicorns to affect. Crazy Glow ALSO teaches us that a pegasus pony can become an Alicorn, which brings the (chapter book) origin story of Cadance as a pegasus pony more credance.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

1 hour ago, Jane said:

I think they are practically spirits, connected to their respective celestial bodies, but maybe 'cause of the format or episodic form of the series, they did not explain it.

The new season 10 comics may be our only hope to further explain the lore of the show canonically.

[Rumpelstiltskin 45]

It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but I always found it sort of strange and a little scary that we never learn what Discord planned to do with the Legion of Doom if his season 9 plan went off without a hitch. I know the obvious answer might be 'put them back in Tartarus' but keep in mind he let the Mane Six basically kill Sombra again when he could've easily stopped him without destroying him. 

[nightshroud96 124]

29 minutes ago, Rumpelstiltskin said:

It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but I always found it sort of strange and a little scary that we never learn what Discord planned to do with the Legion of Doom if his season 9 plan went off without a hitch. I know the obvious answer might be 'put them back in Tartarus' but keep in mind he let the Mane Six basically kill Sombra again when he could've easily stopped him without destroying him. 

Pretty much one of the major issues I have with his plan there.
 

[CypherHoof 26,483]

2 hours ago, nightshroud96 said:

Pretty much one of the major issues I have with his plan there.
 

He's discord, he may not even have thought that though - just started with "lets have a supervillain team up of everypony the Mane 6 hasn't reformed in the last eight seasons, as a coronation present" and went with it.

[Goat-kun 2,528]

Was there anything lore-related that was explained in a satisfying and sufficient manner?

[CypherHoof 26,483]

On 1/1/2020 at 3:19 AM, Goat-kun said:

Was there anything lore-related that was explained in a satisfying and sufficient manner?

Origin of the Tree?

[Goat-kun 2,528]

14 hours ago, CypherHoof said:

Origin of the Tree?

And oh boy was it satisfying! Anyhow, we're at 1. Go on. Can you at least get to 1 lore revelation per season?

[heavens-champion 1,905]

How did Queen Chrysalis capture the Mane Six (beyond shape-shifting)?

Who is Cozy Glow and why is she evil?

Where is the real Grogar?

Who are Spike's real parents?

Did Twilight know that the Tree of Harmony could talk to ponies and other creatures using a magical doppelganger of her?

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by heavens-champion

[CypherHoof 26,483]

On 12/30/2019 at 7:45 PM, nightshroud96 said:

At least explain how did his egg ended up with Celestia's school since eggs of sapient beings don't just pop up from thin air and into the possession of ponies like that.

And why it was Twi's entrance test; Her special connection to the elements didn't really happen until she nearly failed it, but it seems to have been a unique test (no other baby dragons are evident anywhere in equestria, never mind at the school, so why was hatching and subsequently having to care for a baby dragon given to Twi?)

 

28 minutes ago, heavens-champion said:

Who is Cozy Glow and why is she evil?

I always assumed her "chess piece" cutie mark was trolling the whole "celestia chessmaster" fan theory....

[nightshroud96 124]

2 hours ago, CypherHoof said:

And why it was Twi's entrance test; Her special connection to the elements didn't really happen until she nearly failed it, but it seems to have been a unique test (no other baby dragons are evident anywhere in equestria, never mind at the school, so why was hatching and subsequently having to care for a baby dragon given to Twi?)

 

I always assumed her "chess piece" cutie mark was trolling the whole "celestia chessmaster" fan theory....

Speaking of connection, I wished they touched more on the Royal Sisters' connection to the Elements that they had lost.
Like explain more about it and the consequences. Like would Luna felt guilty and blames herself for this bit.

Maybe even an episode where the tree gives them a chance to restore this connection or gain a harmony-related power.
It bothers me that since they lost their ability to use the Elements, that is it for the sisters. They get NOTHING.
Nothing to acknowledge their significance of finding the Elements first and their cutie marks being on the tree. It apparently means nothing since they are no longer allowed to use the Elements.
Not even get to be included in the final rainbow laser.

As for Cozy Glow, the question for her Cutie Mark raises be how did she get it. Like does it means she is manipulative? Like she is "destined" to be like that?


 

[CypherHoof 26,483]

2 minutes ago, nightshroud96 said:

As for Cozy Glow, the question for her Cutie Mark raises be how did she get it. Like does it means she is manipulative? Like she is "destined" to be like that?

That is one of the enduring questions of MLP - what do cutie marks actually MEAN?

We know they give a magical power boost to a specific skillset, to the extent most unicorns can ONLY do magic related to their cutie mark; Starswirl believed they were a "mark of one's destiny" and Twi reinforced that when she fixed his spell.

Equally though, Luna, in consoling the CMC, said they were a reflection of who you are; that was much later in the series though, so I think the definition of what and how has changed a bit over time.

My own belief is that cutie marks are somewhere between destiny and aptitude; Troubleshoes didn't know he was "destined" to be a rodeo clown, but his cutie mark meant everything he did was likely to fail in amusing ways, making it easier for him to BE a rodeo clown, but not requiring him to do so. Zipperwhil's cutie mark is a set of paw prints, acquired when she got her puppy. She should have an enhanced natural ability with animals to reflect that, but still needed the CMC's help, and may not make a career out of it - but if she did, she would be naturally better at it than somepony whose cutie mark was a trombone.