Do you take issue with entrepreneurs/bussinesspeople/similar people?

[PCutter 127]

The way I see it, it would seem that nowadays that the terms "capitalist" and "communist" are either being thrown around shallowly or actually used properly to describe someone "bad." 

In this case, this would apply to people in the business realm. 

And even if we're labeled some of those terms, fine. So it's wrong to seek out some form of living and sustaining yourself, or trying to keep yourself in a healthy standard of living, or trying to introduce something new to excite everyone?

And I am fully aware it's the character that matters, not the money you have. If that is still relevant today.

Anyway, do you really take issue with entrepreneurs?

(If this is political, then go lock it)

Edited February 24, 2021 by PCutter

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

No I am an entrepreneur with a university degree another word for entrepreneur would be an opportunist. You see an opportunity you have faith in and take a gamble on it. The risk someone takes doing so is very high and is more likely to end up homeless and poor rather then anything else. Capitalism by definition is an economic and political system in which a countries trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit rather then by the state. Regardless capitalism simply promotes this entrepreneurial way of thinking there is an incentive for people to invest in their ideas for the promise of a return in profit.

[PCutter 127]

I already have my degree in economics. I'm not the wealthiest businessman in the world but recently I've started to be called a pig by some, worst of all by one of my cousins.

And she started calling me pig a few years ago.

Edited February 24, 2021 by PCutter

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

2 hours ago, PCutter said:

I already have my degree in economics. I'm not the wealthiest businessman in the world but recently I've started to be called a pig by some, worst of all by one of my cousins.

And she started calling me pig a few years ago.

That's what you get from people who don't understand the world. In the perfect world there would be no scarcity everyone would have enough of everything this not being the real world. In the real world we deal with scarcity and we've had to ask ourselves how do we distribute these goods to as many as we possibly can and doing so most efficiently that is where capitalism has triumphed that does not however mean that it is "fair" as in economics and business there is no such thing as fairness only to maximize the goods we have. So calling someone a pig over that just showcases a lack of knowledge and wisdom.

That said I've never experienced this and I'd be considered considerably wealthy by most. Yet reality is many are jealous especially of people who have degrees and are successful. Reality is though a lot of people don't know how someone has more money then they do. When reality is I've advised many people on their finances and their business models to increase their efficiency as well as getting them to make more money in general when people blame it on the economic model I always find myself cringing as they post it on their iphones in no other economic model is there as much upwards mobility as there is with our current economic model. That has increased our living standards substantially.

[The Kaeya Simp 13,989]

nope, they played the game, and the rich are why the poor have jobs,

 

[TBD 17,256]

Pretty sure this explains it.  I don't give a crap about companies, big bosses making big money. As long they values work ethics and their workers then I have nothing to complain about.  I had worked with retails who of course will treat their worker like shit. (Sprout I'm pointing at you) So why the hell should I work more than I'm not getting paid enough for it? I'm not complaining about the work or the fact they're running a business, making more money than me. It just pet peeves to me when our CEO/company would expect us to work harder when they're not paying us enough nor giving us a raise for it.  I can work however or whenever, but I have to feel that my labours are being paid equally to that.  I ain't here to work just to suck some c**ks here and choking while their company are growing richer from it.

[Fluttershutter 2,504]

There's a quote by Charles Dickens I like:

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"'This is the even-handed dealing of the world!' he said. 'There is nothing on which it is so hard as poverty; and there is nothing it professes to condemn with such severity as the pursuit of wealth!"

 

[EpicEnergy 23,222]

Nope, I have no issues with them. Just because someone is better, wealthier, or more successful than I am doesn't mean I have a problem with them. I don't compare myself with them because that's just being ungrateful and selfish.

[PCutter 127]

14 hours ago, Fluttershyfan94 said:

That's what you get from people who don't understand the world. In the perfect world there would be no scarcity everyone would have enough of everything this not being the real world. In the real world we deal with scarcity and we've had to ask ourselves how do we distribute these goods to as many as we possibly can and doing so most efficiently that is where capitalism has triumphed that does not however mean that it is "fair" as in economics and business there is no such thing as fairness only to maximize the goods we have. So calling someone a pig over that just showcases a lack of knowledge and wisdom.

That said I've never experienced this and I'd be considered considerably wealthy by most. Yet reality is many are jealous especially of people who have degrees and are successful. Reality is though a lot of people don't know how someone has more money then they do. When reality is I've advised many people on their finances and their business models to increase their efficiency as well as getting them to make more money in general when people blame it on the economic model I always find myself cringing as they post it on their iphones in no other economic model is there as much upwards mobility as there is with our current economic model. That has increased our living standards substantially.

The thing is she's already in a government position (I forgot which). 

When I look back at my last interaction, I now strongly believe she was trying to gaslight me when she said that the uni I spent 5 years in (and a historically significant one at that) has already been infested by red professors. After I tried to defend myself she said (exact words from messenger) "that's the exact propaganda that you've already accepted, which I have already been warning so much about. I'd expect no less than an impressionable person like you to be easily brainwashed in a breeding ground for insurrectionists." 

Is that even possible to be both anti-capitalist and anti-communist at once?

 

[Northern Star 1,024]

I take issue with how those words are applied, not with the people.

[PCutter 127]

@Fluttershyfan94

To add, when she was excited that I was about to graduate, I realize that I failed to tell her my course.

Now that told her I graduated with economics, she hates me forever, saying I "have chosen to be part of the problem."

[Fluttershutter 2,504]

On 2021-02-24 at 2:17 PM, TBD said:

Yeah that's jobs for you.

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

@PCutter You know from what you're saying this makes little sense to be against both then saying you are part of the problem when she is the one working in a government position. Let's be fair here all our "problems" stem from governmental interfering with things they have no understanding of. So with as much respect as possible I have to conclude this friend of yours is probably doing some kind of reflecting of herself onto you. Very likely that she is also jealous as you said a historically important school you graduated also anyone saying stuff like that doesn't sound like much of a friend. That and I really wouldn't take much seriously coming from someone that seems to be inconsistent at best with their dislikes of certain ideologies if you can call it that. No matter how much people dislike capitalism nobody would be so bold to say they prefer communism over it haha. So I mean your friend sounds inconsistent and jealous so perhaps that is why she has this claim about it.

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Fluttershyfan94

[PCutter 127]

@Fluttershyfan94She was more than just a friend. She was my cousin whom I thought I was close to all my life. 

It's even worse when I found out she was completely for a Hunt-And-Kill-Reds law that's already targeted students and profs in my uni.

Edited February 28, 2021 by PCutter

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

@PCutter Wonder when exactly people stopped discussing things and instead have turned it into either you are with us or against us. You can disagree with someone without a hunt and kill strategy. It disturbs me this willingness for a use of a violence against those who disagree with us haha.

[PCutter 127]

On 2021-02-28 at 8:11 PM, Fluttershyfan94 said:

@PCutter Wonder when exactly people stopped discussing things and instead have turned it into either you are with us or against us. You can disagree with someone without a hunt and kill strategy. It disturbs me this willingness for a use of a violence against those who disagree with us haha.

So this applies if said group is composed of extremists?

[Fluttershyfan94 5,742]

3 hours ago, PCutter said:

So this applies if said group is composed of extremists?

I mean isnt that politics nowadays, there is no middle ground of compromising. Regardless the most extreme extremists are the ones usually accusing everyone of extremism. No ideology is beyond scrutiny that is. 

[SparklingSquirrels 21,347]

Uhhh I’ma avoid this current conversation and just answer the question in the title

As a business student myself I think it is more important what one does with their business skills and how they use them rather than just the aspect of being involved in business. Yeah sure a lot of people who strive to build their careers in business just want to make a lot of money at the expense of others but business can be used for good too, it can create more job opportunities and entrepreneurship can lift people out of poverty.

It is a little funny, my school is well-known for its IR programs and we have tons of grads who go into the peace corps, non-profit work, federal jobs, etc. so us business students are kind of  looked down upon and made the butt of many jokes, but it’s all good-natured (I hope )

[Stardust 641]

No I don't look down on them but the fact is I don't believe you will be able to make significant social change within the system if that is your goal. I guess thats okay for most people but it doesn't align well with me. I only want to put so much into it. It's also a very stressful and busy life. I'm sure though you can get creative and all with technology and that especially engineers perhaps. But I feel not every problem is a technical fix. Ofc you can sell ideas and courses such too so it isn't simply that.

For social entrepreneurship it can be very good, but at the same time it can be just excuses for the government not to get their act together for example selling equipment to clean water. I think it's better than nothing and they are getting something but once they have established themselves as a constant business rather than some emergency thing its hard to remove them from the equation. Nothing is perfect and we do have to work within things but I don't know it just feel hmm. 

Big NGOs or charitable organisations even if they are supposed not for profit are not always as good as they seem because they are often funded by corporate interests so the strength of them are dampned and even the government may have certain interests. Especially the charitable sides of certain organisations are just working in the interests of a bigger company. There are other groups that do much more genuine things in this world too which I would consider supporting but I think there is a lot of groups which are not quite as you think they are especially the bigger ones, who are acting on certain issues which are against corporate interests.

I do think selling things and that is cool and I enjoy that but more on a small scale. But to survive in a proper big buisness you will probably have to make some tough decisions, and attract outside investment so you will need to be wary of whos interests you are acting in (though it can be a good way to grow your business using someone elses money). Yeah i'm sure there is fun to it and yeah you can definitely make something of a good culture within the means and be as ethical as possible, and even have as flat structure as possible. And not chase big growth all the time.

Industrial complexes are a legit issue especially one I dislike is the wedding industry which encourages people to have big weddings rather than small scale parties for the sake of profit. I think it's important to be aware of these things.

I'm not really the organised type anyway tho, I have ideas and all so if i ever did anything of sorts id probably want a second person who would help me in organisation.

Things like selling your own food, clothes, games etc as a business can sound quite appealing. So I guess if you have a passion it could be a way to push it forward. In that context I have considered it myself. 

Edited March 3, 2021 by flurry

[PCutter 127]

On 2021-03-03 at 12:29 PM, SparklingSwirls said:

As a business student myself I think it is more important what one does with their business skills and how they use them rather than just the aspect of being involved in business. Yeah sure a lot of people who strive to build their careers in business just want to make a lot of money at the expense of others but business can be used for good too, it can create more job opportunities and entrepreneurship can lift people out of poverty.

It is a little funny, my school is well-known for its IR programs and we have tons of grads who go into the peace corps, non-profit work, federal jobs, etc. so us business students are kind of  looked down upon and made the butt of many jokes, but it’s all good-natured (I hope )

 

I'm already proud that I've graduated with an economics degree and that I'm involved with medical products, but I've already experienced being called a pig by some. And it's only recent.

My cousin (with whom I've cut off contact) hates the very concept and practice of money, banking, and business management. She already has a LOT of like-minded people who want to completely destroy the concepts and practices I've mentioned so there will be neither capitalists nor communists. And all because she hated her previous circumstances in which a she wasn't rich but not poor. She even said that my lessons in money and banking are propaganda. 

She couldn't care less if having businesses does create jobs and everyone is treated well and contributes benefits to the economy. She always equates the hierarchical structure to a master-slave relationship. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by PCutter

[PCutter 127]

9 hours ago, Califorum said:

If they are people like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, etc then hell yeah I do. They are leeches on society and they have much more influence and control than what should be allowed. 

Even "little" businesspeople and business students?

[honk friend 1,978]

i mean i hate all rich people, i couldn't care less how they got there

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,987]

They are essential to the economy. They invest with their own money in order to attempt to profit by selling consumers goods and services. The ones who well understood consumer demand will profit, and those who have failed to understand consumer demand will go bankrupt. In short, they take on the risk that most people do not take. In a hypothetical pure Capitalist system, if a monopoly emerged (which is highly unlikely to happen due to the difficulties that will arise particularly in vertical integration), then that monopoly exists because consumers want it to exist; it would be monopoly by merit.

If a business succeeded under a profit-loss system, I do not see any justification for opposing them. If, however, a business succeeded due to government regulations (which they may claim is for the benefit of the consumers) and political connections, then that is legitimate reason for opposing them as they effectively also profit from tax payers' money (that is guaranteed income which makes them more protected from facing consequences for their actions or inaction); the more they benefit from government privileges, the less they are an actual business (except in name) and the more they are effectively part of the government bureaucracy.

[PCutter 127]

So are you willing to call me a "filthy capitalist" or communist out of spite?

[Steve Piranha 29,428]

Many dirty play super elite do daily, but these people are important in many aspects like development and employment