mega thread Everypony's Religion And Why?

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

See if someone is gonna mock you for something like that their being a dick personally i dont mock or judge anyone unless they mock or judge me first.

So you want proof its real? Okay first give proof being an atheist is correct. Give me proof there is no god. I know i sure as hell cant give you proof hes real thats why theres this thing called faith.

Okay, here's the problem: you cannot disprove the idea of a god. It's an unfalsifiable hypothesis. This is because we have no set standard of what god is. However, the god of the bible is pretty well defined. So it is possible to disprove the god of the bible.

 

I'm assuming you believe the claims of the bible were inspired by Yahweh (or Jehova, if that's what you call him). Well, the bible claims that God is all-knowing. However, there are claims in the bible that are known to be false. Why is it that an all-knowing God appears to have the same knowledge as humans at the time? Why is it that he claims things that have been found to be false?

 

Here are few examples of this:

Young-Earth claim

Noah's ark being an impossible size

A Firmament being over the Earth

Light is created on day 1; the sun on day 4

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Well, I see it as common, not only for religion but for a lot of things. Mockery has actually been make into a form of comedy.

 

Sighs, the problem with that argument is that atheists will counter that the burden of proof lies with theists. 

The burden of proof is on the theists. You are the ones making the claim, therefore you must provide evidence to support your claim

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Yes I am Mormon, or as I prefer LDS which is taken from our full name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (which is a mouthful). The name Mormon is taken from one of our additional scriptures, that of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

 

Of note I am a nontrinitarian christian as I do not believe the Trinity doctrine to be divinely inspired.

 

 

@@LZRD WZRD

Both sides are making a claim, not just theists. Theists are claiming God exists and atheists are claiming God does not exist. Honestly though I would not like to get into that here as this thread is not a debate thread but a thread for people to discuss their religion and why they believe in said religion.

 

Of note is the fact that atheist is a lack of religion.

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Arctic Night 884]

@EquestrianScholar

 

• Atheism is not a lack of religion. Some Buddhists, secular humanists, and Universal Unitarians are atheists. Atheism is the proposition that deities do not exist.
• Some atheists may claim to be 100% sure that God does not exist. But if I am to say probably not, it's not a claim because I am waiting for evidence of X.
• This is the Debate Pit.

EDIT: *Unitarian Universalist

Edited June 19, 2014 by Star Stripe

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Yes I am Mormon, or as I prefer LDS which is taken from our full name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (which is a mouthful). The name Mormon is taken from one of our additional scriptures, that of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

 

Of note I am a nontrinitarian christian as I do not believe the Trinity doctrine to be divinely inspired.

 

 

@@LZRD WZRD

Both sides are making a claim, not just theists. Theists are claiming God exists and atheists are claiming God does not exist. Honestly though I would not like to get into that here as this thread is not a debate thread but a thread for people to discuss their religion and why they believe in said religion.

 

Of note is the fact that atheist is a lack of religion.

I so believe in the trinity and speaking in tongues because ive seen and heard it happen. Bur meh nopony is the same im still gonna add you.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

Both sides are making a claim, not just theists. Theists are claiming God exists and atheists are claiming God does not exist. Honestly though I would not like to get into that here as this thread is not a debate thread but a thread for people to discuss their religion and why they believe in said religion.

 

Of note is the fact that atheist is a lack of religion.

No, that's really not how it works. If I said unicorns exist, the burden of proof is on me. If you do not believe me (let's say your an a-unicornist), you are not obligated to prove that they don't exist.The same applies to religion.

 

Also, this is a debate thread being that it's in the "debate pit". Hence the title "...and why?"

 

 

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Yes I am Mormon, or as I prefer LDS which is taken from our full name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (which is a mouthful). The name Mormon is taken from one of our additional scriptures, that of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

 

Of note I am a nontrinitarian christian as I do not believe the Trinity doctrine to be divinely inspired.

On that note, why exactly do you believe this?

Edited June 19, 2014 by LZRD WZRD

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy,

I believe in the speaking of tongues as well.

 

Also, to better explain myself. When I say I don't believe in the Trinity it is because I do not believe God the Father and Jesus Christ are one and the same, that they are physically one being. Throughout the New Testament there is a clear Father and Son separation, that Jesus Christ is the 'Son of God', more the Savior speaks of his Father and even prays to him. Also there is the fact I always found the idea that Jesus to be a spirit as 'off', as his resurrection is clearly that of the body and spirit coming back together.

 

 

@@LZRD WZRD,

Wait, what? Really? When the hay did this thread go into the Debate Pit? Sighs, why can't I have a single thread about religion that doesn't get turned into a blasted debate... 

 

Edit: To your question see above

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy,

I believe in the speaking of tongues as well.

 

Also, to better explain myself. When I say I don't believe in the Trinity it is because I do not believe God the Father and Jesus Christ are one and the same, that they are physically one being. Throughout the New Testament there is a clear Father and Son separation, that Jesus Christ is the 'Son of God', more the Savior speaks of his Father and even prays to him. Also there is the fact I always found the idea that Jesus to be a spirit as 'off', as his resurrection is clearly that of the body and spirit coming back together.

 

 

@@LZRD WZRD,

Wait, what? Really? When the hay did this thread go into the Debate Pit? Sighs, why can't I have a single thread about religion that doesn't get turned into a blasted debate...

 

Edit: To your question see above

That's a good explanation as to why you don't believe in the trinity. However, why do you believe in the god of the bible at all? Why him over any other god? Or why a god at all?

[Mae Borowski 356]

Go agnosticism! *cheers and waves flag*

YAAYY!! ooohhh look fireworks!!!! (i am agnostic) three cheers for Agnosticism!!! although i am supposed to be catholic(BAH catholics...)                                                                                           

 

[Arctic Night 884]

I am an agoblinist. I do not believe in goblins. There is no evidence for goblins. I do not believe that we should enact legislature based on the existence of goblins. I do not want goblin lore to be taught as fact in schools or universities.

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

That's a good explanation as to why you don't believe in the trinity. However, why do you believe in the god of the bible at all? Why him over any other god? Or why a god at all?

Because we want to. Its that simple. Personally like i said before it brings me peace and i like it i like having faith that something happens when i die otherwise to me its a depressing life. I am not gonna lie i was agnostic at one point and hated it so i went back to religion where i belong and where i want to be.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

I am a Christian. Although a ton of people scoff at those who believe in God, I believe not because it's the only religion I grew up with, but a lot has happened around me, my family, and the things that were said in the Bible that made me believe. Sometimes, i'm scared to even speak of my religion, because people always want to question me and challenge me about it when they could just let me be and accept the fact I believe differently than they do.  

 

 I'm not a religious person, but i'll stick with my faith until the day I die.   

[GreyScholar 1,584]

That's a good explanation as to why you don't believe in the trinity. However, why do you believe in the god of the bible at all? Why him over any other god? Or why a god at all?

Why should I bother? Based on experience my evidence is of a kind atheists will not accept. That of personal experiance and revolation, that of my friends and famly, of the Holy Ghost bearing witness when I pray and read my scriptures. That of little acts of aid and guidance when I need it or don't even realise it.

 

It is not evidence that an atheist can test using the scientific method. As such, since they cannot is science to test and prove it they mock it instead, calling it a delusion or trick of the mind, something I want to hear.

 

Well I'm sorry, sometimes I have prayed and did not get the answer I wanted, I was told to do that which was inconvenient as it distracted me from the fun things in my life.

 

Yet despite this, I have never been lead astray and I have been kept safe through the prompting of the Holy Ghost.

 

The greatest evidence that can be given requires faith, something some refuse to give without demanding proof first. Proof is given, but after faith has been offered.

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Sighs, I am sorry for the impression that I am ranting but their is a reason I dislike debating faith and religion with most atheists is because I feel it never goes anywhere. What is the point of debating if it changes nobody's mind and may even lead to contention, insults, and anger? We, theists and atheists, are a stubborn people who are willimg to stand their ground and fight for what we believe.

 

I want nothing to do with such a thing. I will discuss, but if I can avoid it not debate. I am not hear to prove my faith, my religion, nor my God.

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

So it seems religious people in here don't really want to have a debate on this. If that's the case, shouldn't we make a "religious debate" thread and move this one out of the debate pit? Just a suggestion

 

Edit: Well, I'm going to start a new thread for strictly debate purposes. Hopefully it works out

Edited June 19, 2014 by LZRD WZRD

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

So it seems religious people in here don't really want to have a debate on this. If that's the case, shouldn't we make a "religious debate" thread and move this one out of the debate pit? Just a suggestion

 

Edit: Well, I'm going to start a new thread for strictly debate purposes. Hopefully it works out

This thread is supposed to be member friendly. You have to think though, the religious people weren't the only ones having a cow about religion. Many religious people on here sometimes feel a bit attacked on their religion as well as Athiests feel attacked for not believing in something they don't. The only common ground both views share is that they have the utters to stand up for what they believe in. I'm honestly not sure why everybody is biting someone else's tail about what they believe in. Going in circles doesn't do much. 

 

I'm not going against your idea at all. I'm just trying to say that religious debates just don't go anywhere. Like i've said, it's like chasing your own tail. It's a recipe for disaster. I figured I should say this now before stuff may hit the fan. 

Hopefully you don't take this to offense, this is nothing bad or anything.   

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

This thread is supposed to be member friendly. You have to think though, the religious people weren't the only ones having a cow about religion. Many religious people on here sometimes feel a bit attacked on their religion as well as Athiests feel attacked for not believing in something they don't. The only common ground both views share is that they have the utters to stand up for what they believe in. I'm honestly not sure why everybody is biting someone else's tail about what they believe in. Going in circles doesn't do much. 

 

I'm not going against your idea at all. I'm just trying to say that religious debates just don't go anywhere. Like i've said, it's like chasing your own tail. It's a recipe for disaster. I figured I should say this now before stuff may hit the fan. 

Hopefully you don't take this to offense, this is nothing bad or anything.   

You make a good point. However, I do think some people enjoy debating this stuff and sometimes people's views do change (or perhaps they become more tolerant or open minded of others).

 

That's why I think leaving this thread as a place for expression without hostility and making a thread specifically for people who do wish to discuss and debate religion is a good idea

[GreyScholar 1,584]

So it seems religious people in here don't really want to have a debate on this. If that's the case, shouldn't we make a "religious debate" thread and move this one out of the debate pit? Just a suggestion

 

Edit: Well, I'm going to start a new thread for strictly debate purposes. Hopefully it works out

Don't let my last post speak for all theists or people of religion. I'm merely a case of someone that is tired of debating/arguing religion and not getting anywhere.

 

Just because I'm bitter about religious debate, the back and forth, doesn't mean others will be. 

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

Don't let my last post speak for all theists or people of religion. I'm merely a case of someone that is tired of debating/arguing religion and not getting anywhere.

 

Just because I'm bitter about religious debate, the back and forth, doesn't mean others will be.

I wasn't just talking about you. Oh well, my thread got locked anyway.

 

Anyway, whatever religion you guys choose is cool, I don't judge. But if anyone is up for a good ol' debate I'm ready and willing

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@EquestrianScholar

• Atheism is not a lack of religion. Some Buddhists, secular humanists, and Universal Unitarians are atheists. Atheism is the proposition that deities do not exist.
• Some atheists may claim to be 100% sure that God does not exist. But if I am to say probably not, it's not a claim because I am waiting for evidence of X.
• This is the Debate Pit.

EDIT: *Unitarian Universalist

 

I would say Buddhism is an exception to the rule as per the definition of religion, that and it has often been called a philosophy:

 

Religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."

 

So, by the above definition, an atheist can be said to lack a religion since they have no belief in a "superhuman controlling power", personal God, or gods.

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Alia 158]

Oh my... Why in any discussion about religions people’s always fighting? How about magic of friendship? May it be our religion?

[GreyScholar 1,584]

A dictionary definition:

religion[ ri-lij-uhn ]

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

Oh my... Why in any discussion about religions people’s always fighting? How about magic of friendship? May it be our religion?

Well it is the err....debate pit

 

And if you don't want to participate then don't participate. It's that simple. However, some of us do enjoy discussing this so there's no need to try to shut down our discussion

[Arctic Night 884]

Oh my... Why in any discussion about religions people’s always fighting? How about magic of friendship? May it be our religion?

That's fine if you would rather not join in the discussion, but then there's really no reason for you to be here. I don't go to NASCAR races and then complain to the guy next to me about how much I hate NASCAR.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

As an atheist, I don't think that something came from nothing. I don't know, I can only speculate. Also, even if it was a shared belief, that doesn't excuse Christianity from other things that I find mock-able.

I just stated why I'm an atheist, but I can see how you might find problem with "Also I find the much of religious teachings (this includes Christianity) to be incredibly stupid and/or manipulative"

 

Allow me to justify my feelings here:

 

One example of this (now this is not all Christianity I know) is the threat of being sent to Hell for not accepting Jesus as your savior. It's manipulative because you claim that someone will be tortured for eternity for not subscribing to their religious beliefs. A better example of a stupid belief is that the Earth is about 6,000 years old (this is directed at creationists, but it's the first example that came to mind), despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.

 

Well I'm not a Creationist for one thing and the Pope once said evolution isn't against Christian teachings, so there's that.

 

Secondly, I don't believe many go to Hell in the first place. Hell is a place for the truly evil, the unrepentant. Those who are confronted with the reality of their actions upon death and still refuse to say "I'm sorry." (To whomever is offering that redemption, Jesus or otherwise.) As my father has wisely said in the past, "one doesn't need to be Christian, to be like Christ." Really, all Jesus said was to be a good person, you don't even have to be religious to be that. 

Yes. I do know what it's like to be mocked. (Which I am not doing.) I was a Catholic for a very long time. I was told that I wasn't a real Christian, and that I worshiped the sun or some such nonsense.

 

I've also been told that because of my sexuality, I will suffer unspeakable torture for all eternity.

 

And I'm sorry for assuming that you had a religious upbringing. That was wrong. I can never be sure of another person's standard of evidence.

 

Sorry you had to go through that good sir, if it's any consultation, I would have stuck up for you in the face of those homophobic, hypocrite, asshats.

[RainbowMau 291]

I'm atheist, I used to be catholic before, in fact I was baptised catholic and my family is catholic, but I quit and became atheist because my mother and my sister forced me to join a ministery and go to a spiritual retirement when I was in high school, and in my school they used those ideologies to taught me to hate gays, forced me to see my favorite stuff as satanic and made me see Halloween as a satanic thing (seriously, they killed my childhood by doing that).
 

However, none in my family knows I'm atheist, it's a secret I'm keeping away from them.

Edited June 19, 2014 by RainbowMau

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Here's a question I have to theists: Why your religion? If you're a Christian, what makes your branch of Christianity correct? Or why not Islam, or Scientology etc?

 

On what basis do you believe that your religion is the one true one?

 

I don't. For all I know, Jesus was just a man, but that doesn't make any of His teachings any less noble or worthy of following. My Faith stems from the sheer overwhelming odds that in this entire, chaotic, destructive universe, carbon based life evolving at all let alone to space faring intelligence is nothing short of a miracle. I believe we are here for a purpose, whatever that may be, even if it's just to propagate throughout the Universe.

 

As a transhumanist, I believe we can and should, shed the mortal coil of our biological limitations. It is said we are created in God's image, but what is the image of God?! Limitless, powerful, infinite.

 

"Companions, the Creator seeks. Not corpses, not herds and believers, but fellow creators, the Creator seeks." 

 

~Thus Spoke Zarathustra

 

When we do meet God at the Heat death of the Universe, wouldn't it be grand if He shook our hands the way a child does when he's finally grown up and earned their Father's respect as an equal?

 

 

Why do I have Faith? I believe in a Higher Power, because I believe in people.

 

 

 

Burden of Proof. I can't disprove your god anymore than I can disprove the existence of Q from Star Trek.

 

Not saying you are right or wrong on this one, all I will simply say is this character limit suck:

 

Absence of evidence, doesn't mean evidence of absence.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Steel Accord