The Relationship between Sombra and Discord

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Okay so we all know these two were in the same timelone as eachother. Discord ruled Equestria while Sombra enslaved the crystal Ponies. Do you think its possible that they ever met eachother? I think they had a "Stay out of my way and I wilo stay out of yours" Kind of relation ship. Unless its that Sombra shows out of nowhere right after Discord is beaten by the sisters wich would be stupid.

[Freewave 1,145]

I don't know if King Sombra knows enough dialogue to have a conversation with Discord. Interesting thing is I think Sombra is clearly a bit more evil than Discord (he's more michevious then downright evil). Maybe they had coffee back in the day. *Runs away before someone ships the two*

Edited February 15, 2013 by Freewave

[NavelColt 22,880]

I think they had a "Stay out of my way and I wilo stay out of yours" Kind of relation ship. Unless its that Sombra shows out of nowhere right after Discord is beaten by the sisters wich would be stupid.

 

A nice theory, but really, when you think about it, that's not Discord's style at all. Sombra more or less wanted order; divine order under his rule, but still order. To Discord, Sombra's rule would be just as boring as Celestia's rule; both are about order and predictability. I imagine if Discord did ever meet Sombra, then he would have trolled the f*ck out of him and overthrown him with his nearly omnipotent reality warping powers, just as he would have done/later on did with Celestia. I get the feeling though that Discord was sealed away prior to Sombra's raise to power and imprisonment in the Arctic North. Sombra was -legit- one thousand years ago, whereas Discord's defeat was -around- that time, not -exactly- that time.

 

Also, I don't see it being stupid that Sombra may have come after Discord x3 Technically speaking it may have been decades, perhaps even a couple centuries between the two events. For all we know, Discord was beaten anywhere from 1000 to 1500 years ago.

 

If anything, one can draw more conclusions based around the relationship of Luna turning into Nightmare Moon and Sombra, than of Discord and Sombra. Both Luna's transformation (assumed) and imprisonment, and Sombra's imprisonment were 1000 years ago, exactly, as said by Celestia/Twilight. I actually had/have a head canon about Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon, based off of this observation.

[Galex Dj 173]

It could be possible since it was around the same timeline I guess. And I guess it would be a "Stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours" kinda relationship if anything. The two of them seem like they would of fighted a lot if they hung out together a lot, so yeah. It is a nice theory though, and something that would really make the storyline really entertaining. Just the idea of it makes my head turn with new ideas and theories for the show. Nice thinking about that though.

[SCS 7,537]

I don't know whether or not Discord and King Sombra would have communicated at all. Discord is just mean and mischievous, whereas King Sombra is actually evil. 

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

A nice theory, but really, when you think about it, that's not Discord's style at all. Sombra more or less wanted order; divine order under his rule, but still order. To Discord, Sombra's rule would be just as boring as Celestia's rule; both are about order and predictability. I imagine if Discord did ever meet Sombra, then he would have trolled the f*ck out of him and overthrown him with his nearly omnipotent reality warping powers, just as he would have done/later on did with Celestia. I get the feeling though that Discord was sealed away prior to Sombra's raise to power and imprisonment in the Arctic North. Sombra was -legit- one thousand years ago, whereas Discord's defeat was -around- that time, not -exactly- that time.

 

Also, I don't see it being stupid that Sombra came after Discord x3 Technically speaking it may have been decades, perhaps a couple centuries between the two events. For all we know, Discord was beaten anywhere from 1000 to 1500 years ago.

 

If anything, one can draw more conclusions based around the relationship of Luna turning into Nightmare Moon and Sombra, than of Discord and Sombra. Both Luna's transformation (assumed) and imprisonment, and Sombra's imprisonment were 1000 years ago, exactly, as said by Celestia/Twilight. I actually had/have a head canon about Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon, based off of this observation.

Your underrating Sombra a little bit. I highly doubt that Discord could defeat him easily. And thats IF he could beat him. Sombra could nulify magic, And Sombra was beaten easily because He dint see Cadence Coming at all. And people seem to forget that the crystal heart is pretty much the happiness of the entire Crystal pony race. Wich is about 100000 Ponies. While Discord was beaten by the friendship of six ponies.

I am Just saying maybe they were both so close in streght its not even funny. And Discord Just wouldnt want to fuck with him for nothing

[NavelColt 22,880]

Your underrating Sombra a little bit. I highly doubt that Discord could defeat him easily. And thats IF he could beat him. Sombra could nulify magic, And Sombra was beaten easily because He dint see Cadence Coming at all. And people seem to forget that the crystal heart is pretty much the happiness of the entire Crystal pony race. Wich is about 100000 Ponies. While Discord was beaten by the friendship of six ponies.

I am Just saying maybe they were both so close in streght its not even funny. And Discord Just wouldnt want to fuck with him for nothing

 

And you're overrating him a bit xD The Elements of Harmony are the only known thing to defeat Discord, because they represent the opposite of what he is; a creature of chaos :3 He's a spirit, who took over half if not the entire nation by snapping his fingers a few times. Sombra couldn't even get past a princcess's gate x3

 

I don't see Sombra as anywhere near Discord in strength, nor do I see him giving Sombra any respect at all, because he's never done that prior to being 'redeemed' in Keep Calm and Flutter On. But to each their own

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

And you're overrating him a bit xD The Elements of Harmony are the only known thing to defeat Discord, because they represent the opposite of what he is; a creature of chaos :3 He's a spirit, who took over half if not the entire nation by snapping his fingers a few times. Sombra couldn't even get past a princcess's gate x3

 

I don't see Sombra as anywhere near Discord in strength, nor do I see him giving Sombra any respect at all, because he's never done that prior to being 'redeemed' in Keep Calm and Flutter On. But to each their own

Yeah the elements of harmony could stone him. But he keeps coming back. (pun intended). But we dont know how the princesses defeated Sombra. Maybe with the elements of harmony. Also Why would Discord even Care about the crystal kingdom?

[NavelColt 22,880]

Yeah the elements of harmony could stone him. But he keeps coming back. (pun intended). But we dont know how the princesses defeated Sombra. Maybe with the elements of harmony. Also Why would Discord even Care about the crystal kingdom?

 

Because it's in Equestria. 'Discord ruled Equestria in a state of eternal unrest and unhappiness'. If Discord was taking over the continent with his chaos, and Sombra was sitting there in the Crystal Empire, Discord would have overthrown him when Sombra tried to stop him.

[PonyEcho 1,610]

I don't think there was ever a relationship between them because Celestia and Luna would have had to have defeated Discord before Sombra.

because Discord was the more high profile threat to the lands and would have to be taken out first other wise Discord would have seen them coming.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Because it's in Equestria. 'Discord ruled Equestria in a state of eternal rest and unhappiness'. If Discord was taking over the continent with his chaos, and Sombra was sitting there in the Crystal Empire, Discord would have overthrown him when Sombra tried to stop him.

And You think Discord would stomp Him? Besides Sombra has alot of traps wich could outsmart Discord. Discord Recklessness might Give Sombra the advantage since he Goes straight for the head of his victims.

Maybe they actually fought but were so equally matched? Discord being miles above NMN Chrysalis and Sombra is Just Fan Assumation on your side

[NavelColt 22,880]

And You think Discord would stomp Him? Besides Sombra has alot of traps wich could outsmart Discord. Discord Recklessness might Give Sombra the advantage since he Goes straight for the head of his victims.

Maybe they actually fought but were so equally matched? Discord being miles above NMN Chrysalis and Sombra is Just Fan Assumation on your side

 

I've already stated that yes, I think so. Discord's presumably immortal :3 He's no fool. And traps can't stop a spirit anyway, like I said, we've no reason to doubt that the Elements are the only thing that can stop Discord in his tracks.

 

It's assumption but it's assumption based on intelligent observations from what we know It's not believed by most for no good reason.

 

Debating back and forth is just going to derail the topic a bit and clog the pages ^^ I'm going to leave things as they are.

[Zygen 6,066]

Maybe Sombra's rule was of no concern to Discord and he just felt satisfied spreading chaos and disharmony around Equestria.

 

Technically they don't have the same ideals because Sombra's rule is evil, but he has order, where as Discord just wanted to cause Chaos.

 

Its also possible that maybe Sombra's reign was very short and was a little bit after Discord's, all I know is that Discords defeat pretty much must've come first. Because Discord was in control of Equestria, while Sombra only had control of the crystal empire, so I imagine their priorities where on Equestria.

 

I think Discord's defeat was possibly earlier then 1000 years to. As CD pointed out it was the only time where it wasn't exact so its possible it was just a good bit before Sombra, then Sombra came to power through whatever means and while Celestia and Luna where ruling they saw this and defeated him, however he put the curse on the empire and it vanished.

 

So either Discord wasn't in power when Sombra came to power, or Discord simply didn't care. He has known to get a little cocky honestly, it was technically his downfall since he didn't really do anything when the mane 6 used the elements of harmony, so maybe he just didn't care about Sombra seeing as his power was nothing compared to Discords.

 

Sombra may be powerful by Unicorn standards, but Discord is a Spirit basically. Hes also pretty much immortal, so I imagine it has nothing to do with the lack of ability to take over the crystal empire, but maybe just the lack of motivation or care to do so.

 

And again it could be like CD said, it could've been after Discord's defeat that Sombra came to power.

Edited February 16, 2013 by Zygen

[NavelColt 22,880]

And again it could be like CD said, it could've been after Discord's defeat that Sombra came to power.

 

To be overly analytic, another reason I believe Discord being sealed away prior to all other villains (and thus being the first 'evil' that full-out ruled Equestria) makes sense, is because, being pure chaos, Discord represents the most primal form of nature; anarchy. There is no rule, there is just chaos :3 Celestia and Luna overthrowing Discord, is symbolic in the sense that it mirrored the idea of order and good coming into an untamed land of anarchy, and establishing order. Something like that would obviously happen before other types of antagonists, the -truly- evil antagonists like Sombra, who were out to establish their own version of the already established order.

[Zygen 6,066]

To be overly analytic, another reason I believe Discord being sealed away prior to all other villains (and thus being the first 'evil' that full-out ruled Equestria) makes sense, is because, being pure chaos, Discord represents the most primal form of nature; anarchy. There is no rule, there is just chaos :3 Celestia and Luna overthrowing Discord, is symbolic in the sense that it mirrored the idea of order and good coming into an untamed land of anarchy, and establishing order. Something like that would obviously happen before other types of antagonists, the -truly- evil antagonists like Sombra, who were out to establish their own version of the already established order.

Never thought of it like that, but it makes pretty good sense actually.

I personally just find that it wouldn't make much sense for Discord to not want to rule over all of the land in chaos, but its possible I guess.

And for some reason whenever I think about it Discords defeat always comes first, it just seems to make sense. Maybe its just because hes introduced first idk.

 

And I think we can agree it has nothing to do with Discords lack of power, because he can pretty much take over all the world if he really wanted and there was no elements to stop him. I don't think a Unicorn, even one as powerful as Sombra could stop him. Hes more or less immortal it seems

Edited February 16, 2013 by Zygen

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Never thought of it like that, but it makes pretty good sense actually.

I personally just find that it wouldn't make much sense for Discord to not want to rule over all of the land in chaos, but its possible I guess.

And for some reason whenever I think about it Discords defeat always comes first, it just seems to make sense. Maybe its just because hes introduced first idk.

 

And I think we can agree it has nothing to do with Discords lack of power, because he can pretty much take over all the world if he really wanted and there was no elements to stop him. I don't think a Unicorn, even one as powerful as Sombra could stop him. Hes more or less immortal it seems

Exept for the fact that Sombra makes Alicorn look like normal Unicorns but with wings. None of the Alicorn have shown anything to keep up with him exept for NMN.

Besides You guys dont really think Discord will stay the strongest MLP character forever do you?

[Zygen 6,066]

Exept for the fact that Sombra makes Alicorn look like normal Unicorns but with wings. None of the Alicorn have shown anything to keep up with him exept for NMN.

Besides You guys dont really think Discord will stay the strongest MLP character forever do you?

Well heres the thing, while Sombra has been shown to have some pretty powerful magic and all, he really didn't get shown much in the first place, while he was really strong he isn't an immortal spirit and embodiment of chaos like Discord.

 

Discord can more or less snap a finger and take over, he hardly has to try. The only thing that has ever taken him down has been the Elements of harmony, because they are the opposite of him and react with him turning him to stone.(I think of it as a type of chemical reaction, kinda like mixing fire and lava.)

 

While he might not stay the most powerful being, and technically he is at the mercy of being defeated by the elements as long as there around, he is pretty much the most powerful disregarding the elements as a factor. Infact it hasn't been proven that he can even be defeated without the use of the elements, as far as we can tell up to now he seems pretty immortal. Almost like a God of chaos more or less.

 

I doubt Sombra can face what is basically a God of Chaos. No matter how powerful he is.

[Shanks 10,816]

It is possible they may have known each other but I highly doubt they were allies at least not on a permanent basis. King Sombra was a tyranical despostic ruler hell bent on total dominion while Discord is like the king of trolls and just wanted to create as much chaos as possible.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Well heres the thing, while Sombra has been shown to have some pretty powerful magic and all, he really didn't get shown much in the first place, while he was really strong he isn't an immortal spirit and embodiment of chaos like Discord.

 

Discord can more or less snap a finger and take over, he hardly has to try. The only thing that has ever taken him down has been the Elements of harmony, because they are the opposite of him and react with him turning him to stone.(I think of it as a type of chemical reaction, kinda like mixing fire and lava.)

 

While he might not stay the most powerful being, and technically he is at the mercy of being defeated by the elements as long as there around, he is pretty much the most powerful disregarding the elements as a factor. Infact it hasn't been proven that he can even be defeated without the use of the elements, as far as we can tell up to now he seems pretty immortal. Almost like a God of chaos more or less.

 

I doubt Sombra can face what is basically a God of Chaos. No matter how powerful he is.

You keep on saying Discord is immortal but you forget Sombra lived for 1000 years.

Why do I even try. This isnt an Anime. The fights are less than a minute. Argueing about powerscaling is useless.

[NavelColt 22,880]

You keep on saying Discord is immortal but you forget Sombra lived for 1000 years.

Why do I even try. This isnt an Anime. The fights are less than a minute. Argueing about powerscaling is useless.

 

He didn't live for 1000 years x3 He was sealed away after being 'turned to shadow'. Unlike Discord, who is probably an immortal spirit from the beginning of time, Sombra, I doubt, was always immortal, and probably still isn't. It was a side effect of being turned into the shadow monster by the princesses.

 

That's what I was saying half a page ago

[Zygen 6,066]

You keep on saying Discord is immortal but you forget Sombra lived for 1000 years.

Why do I even try. This isnt an Anime. The fights are less than a minute. Argueing about powerscaling is useless.

Its always possible that Sombra was frozen in ice or something, and its also possible that he just has a long life span, we've never really been told how long exactly ponies live considering death isn't something addressed in a TV show.

 

Besides Sombra was more or less wiped out in the raising of the force field of the crystal empire, meaning he is atleast defeat-able by that, where as I doubt Discord would've been harmed by it. If any.

 

The point is Discord has only been defeated by the most powerful magic known to ponies, where as Sombra was defeated by other means.

 

I see Discord as more of a immortal spirit, and I see Sombra as a Unicorn corrupted by dark magic use who rose to power using the dark magic he has, while that dark magic is powerful, Discord can cause havoc at the snap of a finger.

 

I actually enjoy debating topics on the show, always nice to learn how others think, I guess in the end a vast majority of things are up to debate and interpretation really. Thats what makes discussion of aspects of the show unknown fun .

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

The proplem is fights in MLP are 30 seconds long. If they were atleast 3 Minutes long this debate would not be about assumation and have proofs.

Also The Crystal Heart is not as weak as you think it is.

[Zygen 6,066]

The proplem is fights in MLP are 30 seconds long. If they were atleast 3 Minutes long this debate would not be about assumation and have proofs.

Also The Crystal Heart is not as weak as you think it is.

Well its not weak  no, but it hasn't been said to be the most powerful magic known to ponies as the elements of harmony have been stated as.

 

So its clear that the elements of harmony are stronger. and like I said the way I see it the only reason the elements defeat Discord is because they are the power of harmony, and he is the embodiment of chaos. So I think of it as a kinda of chemical reaction like I said, turning him to stone.

That would explain why the elements never turned NMM into stone. Its up for interpretation, but It makes sense to me atleast.

 

While this isn't DBZ and there isn't like a scanner or something to judge direct power levels, I think that Discord is immortal seeing as it hasn't been proven he can be fully destroyed, where as sombre more or less looks to be destroyed as of now, and by a force that has been told to be weaker then the elements of harmony.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Well its not weak  no, but it hasn't been said to be the most powerful magic known to ponies as the elements of harmony have been stated as.

 

So its clear that the elements of harmony are stronger. and like I said the way I see it the only reason the elements defeat Discord is because they are the power of harmony, and he is the embodiment of chaos. So I think of it as a kinda of chemical reaction like I said, turning him to stone.

That would explain why the elements never turned NMM into stone. Its up for interpretation, but It makes sense to me atleast.

 

While this isn't DBZ and there isn't like a scanner or something to judge direct power levels, I think that Discord is immortal seeing as it hasn't been proven he can be fully destroyed, where as sombre more or less looks to be destroyed as of now, and by a force that has been told to be weaker then the elements of harmony.

Listen I admit Sombra is weaker than Discord. But Discord cannot beat him without even trying.

Look at this:

Extreme diff, High Diff, Middle Diff, Low Diff. A fight between Sombra and Discord should be around Middle and High

[Zygen 6,066]

Listen I admit Sombra is weaker than Discord. But Discord cannot beat him without even trying.

Look at this:

Extreme diff, High Diff, Middle Diff, Low Diff. A fight between Sombra and Discord should be around Middle and High

Well while it may or may not take him more or less effort doesn't really matter, I think the point is Discord wouldn't have not fought Sombra for control since he could've beat him unless he just plain didn't care or Sombra wasn't around. Thats the original point that was made about this whole thing, and I think judging by this thats true.

 

Discord has to try to some extent, heck even if all he has to do to use magic is snap his fingers that takes some effort, try snapping your fingers enough times I'm sure it'll hurt eventually.

 

I don't really know how it feels to use magic though, I don't know if it like drains you or makes you feel weak as if you where running for an extended period or what, but I think the point is he could've beat Sombra if he wanted to, but he didn't, so the reasoning CD brought up was because of Sombra not being around during Discords reign, I also brought up the fact that maybe Discord being a bit cocky simply didn't care to, regardless its clear that Discord possessed the ability to defeat Sombra, due to whatever amount of effort.