Child Abuse Vrant

[BronyPony 575]

Yet I never said anything about it being okay, I don't agree with child abuse at all, I'm just saying that violence on violence isn't the proper approach. If you believe that no one changes then you need to change your thoughts, someone who beat their child from anger problems they can go through anger management and learn ways to fix their problem.

Says the guy who never has been abused(most likely). I have a friend who has suffered much abuse. I have witnessed it. I hate seeing these people tortured. And for what? Because some people felt remorse for some psychotic that thinks that since he was abused that he himself must inflict the same torture? In fact, more child abuse is committed because people think we should do it the non-violent way. That ideology gets millions of children killed. Why have millions of children killed when you could kill the few who think they have the right to kill and abuse children SIMPLY because they themselves have been abused?

 

If I ever caught someone abusing and beating a child, I would shoot them because if I waited any longer that child would probably not last any longer or his mental state would not be any better because I decided to do it the non-violent way. This isn't the fantasy world where people realize their own mistakes. This is a cruel world. If you think you can solve the world's problems, be my guest. Don't come complaining when your idea of non-violence doesn't protect millions of children from becoming mentally ill by parent abuse.

[mycarhasaMoustache 449]

I respect your opinion, but most of us just belive that we should have eye for an eye, since no one wants to try to do anything about it. We feel that, yes, we shoud beat the living crap out of them...teaches those lowlife dogs empathy.

Adding Violence to an already violent situation will not make anything better, It makes you just as bad as them. You should also consider that hitting your kids when they have been naughty (giving them a smacked bottom) is not abuse its punishment for them doing something wrong and is a learning experience. Untill you know exactly what is happening in a situation you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

Says the guy who never has been abused(most likely). I have a friend who has suffered much abuse. I have witnessed it. I hate seeing these people tortured. And for what? Because some people felt remorse for some psychotic that thinks that since he was abused that he himself must inflict the same torture? In fact, more child abuse is committed because people think we should do it the non-violent way. That ideology gets millions of children killed. Why have millions of children killed when you could kill the few who think they have the right to kill and abuse children SIMPLY because they themselves have been abused?

 

If I ever caught someone abusing and beating a child, I would shoot them because if I waited any longer that child would probably not last any longer or his mental state would not be any better because I decided to do it the non-violent way. This isn't the fantasy world where people realize their own mistakes. This is a cruel world. If you think you can solve the world's problems, be my guest. Don't come complaining when your idea of non-violence doesn't protect millions of children from becoming mentally ill by parent abuse.

 

You obviously don't have much sense at all, anger management does exist, and it has helped people before. Also put on some reading glasses I only talked about those who can't control their anger. If you think that adding on violence to an already violent situation is any better than going the non-violent way then fine, have your opinions. I also never said that the non-violent way can help everyone for god's sake. I personally think that those who have the ability to get help shouldn't have to suffer because others have no way of help at all.That's all that I was getting at.

[Klick-Klack 299]

Says the guy who never has been abused(most likely). I have a friend who has suffered much abuse. I have witnessed it. I hate seeing these people tortured. And for what? Because some people felt remorse for some psychotic that thinks that since he was abused that he himself must inflict the same torture? In fact, more child abuse is committed because people think we should do it the non-violent way. That ideology gets millions of children killed. Why have millions of children killed when you could kill the few who think they have the right to kill and abuse children SIMPLY because they themselves have been abused?

 

If I ever caught someone abusing and beating a child, I would shoot them because if I waited any longer that child would probably not last any longer or his mental state would not be any better because I decided to do it the non-violent way. This isn't the fantasy world where people realize their own mistakes. This is a cruel world. If you think you can solve the world's problems, be my guest. Don't come complaining when your idea of non-violence doesn't protect millions of children from becoming mentally ill by parent abuse.

You insist on insinuating that the abuser has made a conscious choice to abuse their child, thinking "Since my daddy did that to me, I'll do it to my child!". No. It's not conscious. The abuser having being brought up with violence for example, has learned from his/her experience that violence is natural and normal. The child will take the actions of the parents as an example of how life is lived, and if the parents hit the child, the child will then learn that parents hit their child. Then it becomes normal. And these things you learn at an early age, such as language or the trust of a parent, are not easily forgotten. In fact, it's been a survival advantage for millions of years. So the abuser does what he or she does, not because they find it amusing, but because the impression of violence has been hammered into their brain from an early age. And the laws of society are not capable of efficiently swaying the mindset.

[Betez 1,734]

Well, I don't think anyone in their RIGHT mind would do it. In most, probably all, cases of child abuse I hear about, the (usually dad) was either piss drunk, or, after therapy or whatever, found to be mentally insane. I don't think anyone beats their kids for fun, unless there's something legitimately wrong with them. I don't have a problem with discipline, but there's a line between discipline and abuse.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Betez

[BronyPony 575]

You insist on insinuating that the abuser has made a conscious choice to abuse their child, thinking "Since my daddy did that to me, I'll do it to my child!". No. It's not conscious. The abuser having being brought up with violence for example, has learned from his/her experience that violence is natural and normal. The child will take the actions of the parents as an example of how life is lived, and if the parents hit the child, the child will then learn that parents hit their child. Then it becomes normal. And these things you learn at an early age, such as language or the trust of a parent, are not easily forgotten. In fact, it's been a survival advantage for millions of years. So the abuser does what he or she does, not because they find it amusing, but because the impression of violence has been hammered into their brain from an early age. And the laws of society are not capable of efficiently swaying the mindset.

There is one question I must ask you. Have you taken a class in Psychology or have a degree or certificate determining if you have that status? I won't offend you for it, but really the problem is without any knowledge of what truly happens in the psych, there is no way to make a big conclusion of that.

[Shanks 10,816]

People that have so little self control that they beat their children shouldn't be parents, it teaches children that violence is okay and then the child oftentimes also grows up to be an abuser.

[Klick-Klack 299]

There is one question I must ask you. Have you taken a class in Psychology or have a degree or certificate determining if you have that status? I won't offend you for it, but really the problem is without any knowledge of what truly happens in the psych, there is no way to make a big conclusion of that.

I study psychology, I don't yet have a degree in it, but I thought these things would be general knowledge. The basic principles of up-bringing should be an important part of information distribution. Mind, the cause of violence in relation to up-bringing is not the sole reason behind abuse. There are indeed other factors as hand, primarily enviromental scenarios, and of course mental health.

[Moog the Kvlt 1,460]

I study psychology, I don't yet have a degree in it, but I thought these things would be general knowledge.

 

Man, I thought that it would be general knowledge as well to know that violence on violence wasn't always the right thing to do, and I don't even study psychology. I learned that violence on violence doesn't work when I tried to fight back on some school bullies, but they just continued going with it.

[BronyPony 575]

I study psychology, I don't yet have a degree in it, but I thought these things would be general knowledge. The basic principles of up-bringing should be an important part of information distribution. Mind, the cause of violence in relation to up-bringing is not the sole reason behind abuse. There are indeed other factors as hand, primarily enviromental scenarios, and of course mental health.

Then, there is no official or professional statement that can be officially made by you? I mean, sometimes even the most obvious answer to these type of issues are wrong. Again, no offense to anyone's intelligence.

[Klick-Klack 299]

Then, there is no official or professional statement that can be officially made by you? I mean, sometimes even the most obvious answer to these type of issues are wrong. Again, no offense to anyone's intelligence.

Of course not. You don't have to agree with anything I said if you don't want to. Technically, nobody has the right to claim ultimate knowledge regarding the topic anyway. And trusting someone only because of a degree is submitting to the argument from authority. So no, don't take my word for it, I'm no mastermind.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Klick-Klack

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

It's simply power abuse. Or should I say "Putting Your Hoof Down" in real life. Asserting yourself is NOT the same as being downright mean. Children can't handle that sort of thing and it WILL scar them for life. I tell ya some parents are just downright SICK these days. 

[BronyPony 575]

Of course not. You don't have to agree with anything I said if you don't want to. Technically, nobody has the right to claim ultimate knowledge regarding the topic anyway. And trusting someone only because of a degree is submitting to the argument from authority. So no, don't take my word for it, I'm no mastermind.

Alright, well opinions are opinions and we can just leave it at that. I, myself, have been abused sometimes. Yelled at, and even, accidentally hurt by my parents, but that is because one of my family members has PTSD. I understand that my parent has some issues(I forgive them), but these other children are abused a lot of the time because of irresponsibility. I am tired of it. I myself am a bit affected, stress wise. I just don't want these children suffering and not succeeding because of the person they wanted to love.

[. eris . 1,661]

I can't claim to have a perfect understanding about this topic, but my best friend in the entire world is homosexual, and he was beaten violently for years by his father because he exhibited feminine tendencies. Once, I had to help him hide his black eye because his mother had run out of concealer and he had to use mine. His father punched him because he had been hanging out with some other homosexual friends of his.

 

His father was the most even keel, laid back guy I had ever met. My family had him over for dinner several times before I found out what he did to his son. Most child abusers don't look like your stereotypical dirty-undershirt-drunken-mess-unshaven-stubble sort of thing.

 

After all that, I reported him to the police, and I confronted him about it without my parents knowing. It was both the stupidest thing I've ever done and the bravest. He was ashamed about it, and actually broke down and cried right in front of me. Every time he beat his son, it was because he didn't know what else to do. He hadn't been instructed what the right way to treat a child is.

 

Would shooting him have helped? No. Would a small twelve year old girl marching up to him and trying to 'beat him up' help? Absolutely not. I did the only thing I could do and reported him to the authorities, told him what a miserable piece of humanity he was, and hugged his son.

 

People, there is an endless cycle. The abuser becomes the victim, and the victim the abuser. You can say you 'don't care' if they were abused as children, as it doesn't give them a right to beat their children. Of course it doesn't. But saying you don't care means you don't actually care about the problem, you just want to have the right 'solution'.

[Feather Spiral 1,892]

People, there is an endless cycle. The abuser becomes the victim, and the victim the abuser. You can say you 'don't care' if they were abused as children, as it doesn't give them a right to beat their children. Of course it doesn't. But saying you don't care means you don't actually care about the problem, you just want to have the right 'solution'.

Couldn't have phrased it better. I'll be putting this up in the favorite quotes thread. ^u^

chowchowpie, on 07 Apr 2013 - 14:05, said:

.I just believe eye for an eye, and to bring some sort of punishment to them.

That'd leave a world full of blind people, according to a quote I hope is famous.

 

So we have people in the world, who think physical/mental/sexual abuse is either okay or necessary, right? And some don't even care about consequences.

 

Imagine you punished someone for doing something they think is benign, or even right.

From their perspective, you just hurt them for no reason. Punished them for doing things to their children, that their own parents did to them in the past.

You, are an oppressor in their eyes.

To them, you're a thin-skinned idiot who needs to toughen up. For them, you deserve to be hurt to make you realize the harshness of reality.

 

See, the revenge mentality has to stop, if our society is to go on.

 

Fines and community services should not be given as punishment. They should be given to dissuade offenders from offending again, and motivating them to seek more legally/morally acceptable solutions.

Prison should not be a way to punish evil people. It should be a way to keep dangerous people away from other people, and give dangerous people some room to think things through.

 

Too often, male offenders are treated like trash and put "to rot in jail", while female offenders get more consideration (as I wish upon all instead of just women).

Let's remember the reason torture is no longer legal in many civilized judiciary systems, as opposed to ancient (say, 16th century) societies.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Feather Spiral

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

I can't claim to have a perfect understanding about this topic, but my best friend in the entire world is homosexual, and he was beaten violently for years by his father because he exhibited feminine tendencies. Once, I had to help him hide his black eye because his mother had run out of concealer and he had to use mine. His father punched him because he had been hanging out with some other homosexual friends of his.

 

His father was the most even keel, laid back guy I had ever met. My family had him over for dinner several times before I found out what he did to his son. Most child abusers don't look like your stereotypical dirty-undershirt-drunken-mess-unshaven-stubble sort of thing.

 

After all that, I reported him to the police, and I confronted him about it without my parents knowing. It was both the stupidest thing I've ever done and the bravest. He was ashamed about it, and actually broke down and cried right in front of me. Every time he beat his son, it was because he didn't know what else to do. He hadn't been instructed what the right way to treat a child is.

 

Would shooting him have helped? No. Would a small twelve year old girl marching up to him and trying to 'beat him up' help? Absolutely not. I did the only thing I could do and reported him to the authorities, told him what a miserable piece of humanity he was, and hugged his son.

 

People, there is an endless cycle. The abuser becomes the victim, and the victim the abuser. You can say you 'don't care' if they were abused as children, as it doesn't give them a right to beat their children. Of course it doesn't. But saying you don't care means you don't actually care about the problem, you just want to have the right 'solution'.

Beating them up is what what would like to do, but I not once ever said it was okay. The point I am trying to get across is that we should have Eye for an Eye, but if you don't think so, I respect your opinion, but it won't change how I feel about it.

You have to think, there are alot of evil people in this world.

[. eris . 1,661]

More people are concerned with 'an eye for an eye' instead of 'turn the other cheek'. Do you know why? Because it feels better. And I can't condone that at all.

[wheeblebumps 23]

There are many things that can raise our middle fingers from the moment it hits our ears.

 

Then again....

 

Do you want to know what really pisses me off out of all the topics I have talked about?

Well, I don't know if this is an appropriate topic, but it happens every second of the day and is frankly uncontrollable.

It has to be one of the most sickning things any parent would ever inflict on their child.

 

Tell me...who in the right fucking mind would wind to beat an innocent child?

What the hell goes through the parent's mind when they do this? What makes it okay all of a sudden to beat the living life out of something you brought into this world?

 

Why...or how could these monsters be blessed with such beautiful kids that deserve much better?

 

How this vrant triggered?

Well...I decided to scroll through my facebook when I came across this photo of an autistic girl, beaten the crap out of by their parents, who were supposed to take care for her, love her...

 

Sometimes, I just want to wonder what kind of world I am living in. If I could, I would make it Eye for an Eye.

 

You know what, when I get older, i'm considering adoption...because I do not want to bring a child into this messed up place. I'm sorry this stuff just pisses me off.

 

I love children, and if I ever catch someone beating their kid, I swear to celestia, I will get out and kick their ass before having it in jail in two.

 

Your thoughts?

 

(I apologize for this raging mess, but this is just one of them topics)

who in thier right mind would moles thier child? beats me, but it happened to me. *shrugs* in hte end you cant stop people from doing it no matter what.. sadily 

[Righteous Fury 344]

More people are concerned with 'an eye for an eye' instead of 'turn the other cheek'. Do you know why? Because it feels better. And I can't condone that at all.

this is the main reason 'One Bad Apple' is my favourite episode from season 3.

 

none of that is explicitly stated, but it showed that violence is a cycle, and you either break it or carry it on

[WarGrowlmon1990 94]

The world we live in is a sad, cruel and sadistic place. I can't understand it either how some parents would go so far as hurting, or in some cases even killing, their children. I was never physically abused, just emotionally, but my fiance went through daily beatings from his father. Sometimes I've cried just thinking about the horrible things he's been through. I'm so glad about how wonderful and optimistic he's turned out. He's an amazing father to his four year old daughter and will be an amazing father to our baby as well. The sad thing about abuse is in many cases the cycle of abuse doesn't break and just continues from one generation to the next.

[Dr. Nefarious 195]

Child abuse is something that sickens me, every time I hear it. I absolutely hate it, and what happens to it.

 

The government does jack-shit about it, and I'm fed up with it! Any parent, or just ANY person abusing a child should be tortured, I believe. It's absolutely disgusting, traumatizing and pathetic.

How could any person live with themself knowing that they have beaten an innocent child, just because of their rage? If I had beaten a child, (which I would NEVER do), I would either turn myself in, or I would even go to the point of suicide! Because that would just haunt me, knowing for the rest of my life that I had just beaten a child, who never deserved such a thing, just because I was angry.

 

If you have ever beaten an innocent child, in ANY way, I suggest you turn yourself in. Now.

 

 

~Luna

What about if it's a child beating another child? It happened to me years ago and I returned the favor. Children can't be sent to jail for picking fights with other kids, but fully grown adults that want to beat children should probably go and pick a fight with someone their size and see how it turns out.

[Dreadmallon 353]

   I had to deal with minor child abuse when I was younger, as in occasional hitting. I know it's bad, but I partially forgive my mother for it, as she has a permanent disease, where one of the symptoms is a constant-ill-feeling. Besides, she doesn't do it now that I am bigger than her.

[Mephala 2,633]

Beating someone back for child abuse solves nothing; it just continues the cycle. It makes you no better than the person that did the beating.

 

Perhaps they have a mental problem and didn't understand or realize what they were doing; attacking them without any chance for them to at least be checked by a doctor or tried is wrong. By this logic, anyone who's ever struck anyone should automatically be shot on the spot. I mean, usually defenseless people are hit.

 

Perhaps human nature doesn't change, but giving into the barbarity that some of you suggest will be the downfall of society.

 

This is not to say that I think child abuse is right or ever called for in any circumstance, but it's just as wrong (if not more so) to kill someone with no chance at their reform. "An eye for an eye" isn't a good mantra. We need to be compassionate, even to those who have wronged. Maybe we can get in their head and understand the WHY of the issue, rather than blindly assume.

 

I'd like people to get more involved in this area of debate, because child abuse can open up to so many more policies that need be changed or challenged-self-defense laws, domestic abuse, etc.-in addition to being something important that we need to pay attention to.

 

Note: I don't claim to be the most well-informed on this subject, but my friend has suffered multiple abusings from his parents and others in his town for (as someone said earlier in their story) being a homosexual. I've been the victim of abusings before as well. Perhaps I don't forgive the ones who did it, nor does my friend forgive his parents, but again, this is a cycle that need be stopped. Becoming the abuser as means of revenge may feel nice at first, but you become the despicable being that once tormented you. Soon you'll be the one doing the hitting.

 

No, getting people the help they need and giving them the lecture they need-that's how we must end both the horrors of the abuser and the victim. Not more suffering.

[. eris . 1,661]

-snip-

 

No, getting people the help they need and giving them the lecture they need-that's how we must end both the horrors of the abuser and the victim. Not more suffering.

 

Thank you. It appears we're the only two who've had some contact with child abuse, and funnily enough, we're the two advocating for peace and change instead of violence and torture. (There's symbolism here, but I'm not fully caffeinated enough to figure it out...)

 

I'm sorry for you and your friend. As I've said before, I had a similar problem with my best friend, and it's possibly the most helpless feeling in the world, to be young and unable to prevent something bad from happening to someone you love.

 

People, there's a lot of hate on this thread. A lot of people foaming at the mouth and demanding horrible things to happen to people. But the instant we do that, we become just as bad as they are. We can't solve anything by imitating what they do, but we can start fixing things by trying to see why.

[Nothing&NoOne 695]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world she didn't exist.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Nothing&NoOne