Will you hate the show if Twilight has too much power?

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

We know one thing for sure about Celestia's age.  She was an Alicorn the first time that Luna and her defeated Discord.  And that was before Luna was sealed in the Moon.  Therefore, that must mean that it's been well over 1000 years since they became Alicorns (likely close to 2000).  So she's at least close to 2000.  Anything less, and it wouldn't make sense in the continuity.

 

Third, I don't think there's any cap on magical power.  You're kind of making this sound like it's Pokemon, where you max out at Level 100, and that isn't really the case.  Otherwise, the remark about Twilight having a limitless magical potential would never have been made.  And the remark about other ponies having limitless potentials wouldn't have been made.

I have two questions:

1. Why do you say it's closer to 2000? The 1000 years I get, but what makes you think it's so much longer?

 

2. (3rd on your list) Which remarks about "limitless magical potential" were those?

[TwilizzleFoShizzle 95]

I have a theory, that Twilight's power is bottomless. But she has mental barriers that prevent her from reaching her true potential. When she was a filly she overloaded in a pure blast of magical energy. We don't even know her raw power as an alicorn LOL I can see it now Pre Crisis Twilight XD. But I can see it happening. Twilight will surpass Celestia and Luna and will become the ruler of Equestria and will inherit control over the sun and moon...After all her name is Twilight. 

 

An ability that would break Twilight is if she had the ability to phase through bodies.... Maybe pull out a vital organ 

I can imagine an episode that plays out like that where its all evil and shiz and twilight is like BLARGH and shoots lazors and stuff and then like she takes canterlot and steals power from the royal princesses and stuff and then one of her friends is like "think of your friends" and then there is like 1 tear and then she is all not lazory and stuff and then happy ending BAM I r hasbro creative person pay me 60k dollars now plz :3

[Rainbow Dash Loyalty 1,275]

Depends how the show goes from there, if the show stays the same except with a more powerful Twilight then sure I'll keep watching. But if it's going to be 'The Twilight Sparkle Show' and basically abandon the Mane 6, it's just not going to be the same as before.

Although Faust said that her vision was for the Mane 6 to live their dreams such as Rainbow Dash becoming a Wonderbolt, Rarity owning her own shop in Canterlot, and becoming Princess Celestia's successor. So I'm not sure if the writers will be following her vision, but it would surely make a fantastic series finale.

[SBaby 660]

I have two questions:

1. Why do you say it's closer to 2000? The 1000 years I get, but what makes you think it's so much longer?

 

2. (3rd on your list) Which remarks about "limitless magical potential" were those?

1- I think it's close to 2000, becuase they defeated Discord long before Celestia sealed Luna in the moon.  But this might not be an exact number.  It could be slightly more or slightly less.  But at the very least, it has to be well over 1000 years prior to the start of FiM.  Otherwise, they defeated Discord and Luna immediately turned on Celestia right after that.

 

2 - I believe in one of the Season 2 episodes it's mentioned that Twilight has a seemingly limitless magic potential.  But it could have been in Season 1 too.  I'd have to re-watch the series to see exactly which episode they mention it in.

 

 

 

Also we don't know why Celestia and Luna aren't connected to the elements anymore. The elements didn't all bow down to Twilight, she was in a specific situation with a specific group of ponies and the elements attached to one of each of them. Twilight is a big part of it, she is not the sole barer of the elements and they don't not greatly respect her for her power. There is no information that tells us the elements left Celestia because she didn't suit them or wasn't powerful enough. More likely, the disharmony between her and her sister severed her ties with the elements, since they were both wielders of their power and now one or both of them represented the very opposite of their power, harmony.

 

Nobody said the Elements all bowed down to Twilight.  The Elements don't 'bow to anybody', not even the Princesses.  What I said is the reason they aren't connected to Celestia and Luna anymore is because Twilight and her friends are more in tune with the spirits of the Elements than Celestia and Luna are.  This is why Twilight's magic potential has to overall be higher than Celestia's, even if she's not as powerful as Celestia right now.  If it wasn't, then she wouldn't be the Element of Magic (essentially the physical Avatar of Magic itself).

Edited May 7, 2013 by SBaby

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

I don't anticipate that they'll make her TOO powerful to begin with even though Alicorns are the ultimate breed of pony. For awhile I'm thinking they'll probably have her try to master her newfound powers and stuff like that.

[Mint_Melody 91]

1- I think it's close to 2000, becuase they defeated Discord long before Celestia sealed Luna in the moon.  But this might not be an exact number.  It could be slightly more or slightly less.  But at the very least, it has to be well over 1000 years prior to the start of FiM.  Otherwise, they defeated Discord and Luna immediately turned on Celestia right after that.

 

2 - I believe in one of the Season 2 episodes it's mentioned that Twilight has a seemingly limitless magic potential.  But it could have been in Season 1 too.  I'd have to re-watch the series to see exactly which episode they mention it in.

 

 

 

 

Nobody said the Elements all bowed down to Twilight.  The Elements don't 'bow to anybody', not even the Princesses.  What I said is the reason they aren't connected to Celestia and Luna anymore is because Twilight and her friends are more in tune with the spirits of the Elements than Celestia and Luna are.  This is why Twilight's magic potential has to overall be higher than Celestia's, even if she's not as powerful as Celestia right now.  If it wasn't, then she wouldn't be the Element of Magic (essentially the physical Avatar of Magic itself).

 

But you can't count the use of the elements as part of Twilight's magic, since the ability use them can be lost. Is she more powerful than Celestia with the elements? Sure, but the elements are a weapon that Twilight can harness the power of along with her friends. In order to use that magic she must have both the elements and her friends there to assist her. Celestia needs no one to be as powerful as she is now. At one point either Celestia or Luna was the element of magic, Twilight's talent is magic, but like the element could leave her just like it could the sisters. 

[IronPonyApplejack 318]

I think Twilight surpassing Celestia and Luna might be how they decide to end the series. (because seriously, where do you go from there?!)

 

As far as how powerful she is/can be, I have to agree. Celestia herself said she had never seen a pony with Twi's level of raw magical ability. And to be fair, she has seen Luna if nothing else. I think her power might have no limit to its potential. But I don't see that being truly used until it's time to end the show.

[Whofch 128]

As long as she stays where she is at this moment I'll be happy. In that, I mean not replacing other characters (Celestia/Luna) and not making others pointless (her friends). I enjoy the show for the world created and all of the characters involved. Not just 1 purple Unicorn.

[windy_prance 114]

I'm not worried about Twilight becoming too powerful. I'm more worried about Twilight stealing spotlight.

 

I wouldn't like it AT ALL if "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" becomes "My Little Twilight: All about the Sparkle".

 

The Mane Six should stay the Mane Six...and NOT becoming Mane One and Secondary Five.

 

That is what I fear the most about Season 4.

[Silver fox 117 49]

What I don't get is why people think that Twilight becoming overpowered or even a Mary Sue a is bad thing, and or how it makes all the characters irrelevant. Just because Twilight is super powerful doesn't mean that Rainbow Dash isn't going to be booted from the show, or any other character. They will all have their roles in the plot, and will be just as essential to the plot before hand. Also Mary Sues can be good, for this I present you too Charles Dickens' Tale of Two Cities. In this classic their were many Mary Sue characters, but by far the best is Lucy. Lucy is the pinnacle of a Mary Sue, and does that make her a bad character. NO it doesn't in fact it helps the reader understand what is happening and the motives for other characters. 

Also i loved the season 3 finale. It was paced well and the songs were amazing. Now I'm going to get rage why I think that episode is paced well, but before you reply about that. Watch it again and then tell me how it is rushed I will love to hear that.

Edited May 7, 2013 by Silver fox 117

[RWB 229]

Depends on what way we are talking.

 

On a pure adventure level:

 

1. Twilight's magical prowess already makes Applejack obsolete. Anything AJ can do with her physical ability, Twilight is more capable of using magic.

 

2. Twilight's magic is a better(more reliable) anti-monster weapon than the stare, because the stare is not voluntary. Twilight's magical abilities and their hold are. Considering this is just about the only thing she brings to the group... yeah, Flutters is nearly obsolete, having some niche to bring.

 

3. Rainbow Dash is technically slower from point to point than Twilight, but that speed in general movement is still very useful.

 

4. You can't obsolete the Toonforce character. Pinkie is not obsolete.

 

5. Rarity brings precious little to an adventurer party beyond a secondary mage.

 

Really, Twilight's lack of sense in certain regards is the only thing preventing her from being a workable one-man team. Heck, Mare-Do-Well? Twilight can take care of all the problems they needed to handle.

Collapsing building? Magic it away/Teleport in and out with the victim.

Runaway wagon? Stop it with magic.

 

The only thing that makes the others even relevant in a "boss fight" is the Elements. Not their abilities.

 

 

Less adventure, more slice of life.

 

1. Twilight still obsoletes AJ in any endeavor. Applebucking? BRB, levitating all the apples in the orchard into buckets. Sense and experience is the only thing making AJ a better farmer.

 

2. Fluttershy is not obsolete, as Twilight is not good enough with animals to handle a menagerie. But that is nothing to do with power- again, sense and experience.

 

3. RD's Weather Skills isn't something Twilight can effectively obsolete. RD can do it faster, and better.

 

4. Again, Toonforce is never obsolete.

 

5. With Rarity, again, nothing to do with power, but with sense and experience(And eye for fashion)

 

 

 

 

Heck, if you just wanted a power comparison, Twilight can beat the entire Mane Six on her lonesome with a simple aerial hold spell. Except Pinkie, beecause toonforce.

 

 

And Twilight has been this powerful from day one onwards.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

What I don't get is why people think that Twilight becoming overpowered or even a Mary Sue a is bad thing, and or how it makes all the characters irrelevant. Just because Twilight is super powerful doesn't mean that Rainbow Dash isn't going to be booted from the show, or any other character. They will all have their roles in the plot, and will be just as essential to the plot before hand. Also Mary Sues can be good, for this I present you too Charles Dickens' Tale of Two Cities. In this classic their were many Mary Sue characters, but by far the best is Lucy. Lucy is the pinnacle of a Mary Sue, and does that make her a bad character. NO it doesn't in fact it helps the reader understand what is happening and the motives for other characters. 

Also i loved the season 3 finale. It was paced well and the songs were amazing. Now I'm going to get rage why I think that episode is paced well, but before you reply about that. Watch it again and then tell me how it is rushed I will love to hear that.

There are benefits to making Twilight insanely overpowered. You just need to give her villains that will challenge and push her. The writers of this show made us care about pink and purple ponies. I think the brony fandom would get more respect if the ponies were capable of amazing feats. I am a huge comic nerd. I have shelves among shelves and even a whole room dedicated to comics, graphic novels, blu ray, DVD and video games. I mean making MLP bad ass would be an accomplishment in human history

 

I mean rainbow dash can go a maximum of mach 10 speed. That's impressive for a blue cartoon horse

Edited May 7, 2013 by TheMarkz0ne

[Ilovepegasi 6]

I wont Twilight is now a Princess therefore she should have as much power as she needs. Just look at Princess Celestia. I in fact will love the show more, she is after all the leader of the elements of harmony.

[Nature's Spell 526]

I wouldn't care what they have Twilight do as long as she is in the show. I also agree that she is way more powerful than her friends and always has been, but that doesn't make her better than them. People shouldn't automatically equate power (ability) with perfection. They don't always follow. Twilight will still screw up. Celestia and Luna are imperfect and she is and will remain so.

Edited May 7, 2013 by Nature Spell

[Wingnut 6,994]

Even though Twilight's an alicorn and she probably gets a big power boost because of it...

 

1.  She still has a long way to go before she can match or exceed the power Luna and Celestia possess.

2.  She'll always need her friends' help to utilize the Elements of Harmony. 

3.  Mentally Twilight is still a smart but otherwise ordinary pony.  Even though she leads them for the most part, she's still going to need their opinions and expertise on certain matters. 

 

I guess they'll do what they do in anime as the protagonists get stronger...make them face increasingly more powerful enemies as well.  I just hope power levels don't get ridiculously out of hand like they did in Dragonball Z.

[RWB 229]

I guess they'll do what they do in anime as the protagonists get stronger...make them face increasingly more powerful enemies as well.  I just hope power levels don't get ridiculously out of hand like they did in Dragonball Z.

 

Dragonball is actually a rather weak anime. It is outone by Sailor Moon, and arguably by Dr Slump as well. Bastard!! and similar series also laugh at it.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Dragonball is actually a rather weak anime. It is outone by Sailor Moon, and arguably by Dr Slump as well. Bastard!! and similar series also laugh at it.

Sailor Moon.............Beat Goku....................Wait am I in a coma and my childhood lied to me or something. Where the hell are you getting this from? Please tell me.

[RWB 229]

Sailor Moon.............Beat Goku....................Wait am I in a coma and my childhood lied to me or something. Where the hell are you getting this from? Please tell me.

 

 

While DBZ never actually showed any instance of faster than light speed, all the Sailor Scouts are capable of it. Sailor Saturn has destroyed planets to boot(as in vaporizing, something that in DBZ, only Buu proved himself capable of- in the manga, the anime massively upgrades the DBZ characters), and isn't even close to the top tier(End of Series Sailor Moon and Sailor Galaxia).

 

 

Fun fact, there's several Donald Duck characters that could beat them as well(if you count "The Duck Avenger" as Donald).

 

One of them being this delightful girl:

 

 

 

Then there are the animes with multiverse destroyers, omniversal beings and nigh-omnipotents.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

While DBZ never actually showed any instance of faster than light speed, all the Sailor Scouts are capable of it. Sailor Saturn has destroyed planets to boot(as in vaporizing, something that in DBZ, only Buu proved himself capable of- in the manga, the anime massively upgrades the DBZ characters), and isn't even close to the top tier(End of Series Sailor Moon and Sailor Galaxia).

 

 

Fun fact, there's several Donald Duck characters that could beat them as well(if you count "The Duck Avenger" as Donald).

 

One of them being this delightful girl:

 

 

 

Then there are the animes with multiverse destroyers, omniversal beings and nigh-omnipotents.

Sailor Moon has no Physical prowess though. One punch from Goku and she is dead. Also Goku can destroy a solar system when he reached SS2 status 

[RWB 229]

Sailor Moon has no Physical prowess though. One punch from Goku and she is dead. Also Goku can destroy a solar system when he reached SS2 status 

 

You are right about physical prowess, but since he's not gonna tag her anyway, and she can oneshot him with magic, what does that matter?

 

As for the bolded: The most impressive destructive feat in DB is Kid Buu vaporizing the planet(and he is stronger/equal to SS3 Goku). No one in the series can lay claim to even be able to blow two planets up at once.

 

Now the anime version? Where Frieza and Vegeta both casually blows planets up? Sure. But Manga DBZ don't amount to multi-planetary destruction based on feats, only on hype.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

You are right about physical prowess, but since he's not gonna tag her anyway, and she can oneshot him with magic, what does that matter?

 

As for the bolded: The most impressive destructive feat in DB is Kid Buu vaporizing the planet(and he is stronger/equal to SS3 Goku). No one in the series can lay claim to even be able to blow two planets up at once.

 

Now the anime version? Where Frieza and Vegeta both casually blows planets up? Sure. But Manga DBZ don't amount to multi-planetary destruction based on feats, only on hype.

So your even telling me Queen Baryl and Sailor Galaxy(chaos) can kill Goku. What is Naruto and bleach above dbz?I really doubt that too

[RWB 229]

So your even telling me Queen Baryl and Sailor Galaxy(chaos) can kill Goku. What is Naruto and bleach above dbz?I really doubt that too

 

Sailor Moon's Top Tiers are faster than light and planetary+ level in destruction-capacity.

Dragonball's Top Tiers are Mach 1000+ and roughly Planetary level in destruction-capacity.

Naruto's Top Tiers are Mach 20- and roughly mountain level in destruction-capacity.

Bleach's Top Tiers are Mach 50- and roughly mountain-range(being generous) level in destruction-capacity.

 

 

Radditz could beat both Naruto and Bleach on his own.

 

And I don't believe Beryl was alive for the powered-up sagas, but I can't recall.

Edited May 8, 2013 by RWB

[Scootalove 10,689]

Not really. Even though in other shows, when a main character is too powerful then the other characters will start to be irrelevant and not matter anymore. Besides the point of the show is to show friendship, not really to show how much powerful one character can be to put the other characters to be irrelevant and to shame. But, I will not abandon my show.

[verycreativeusername 1,800]

I'm leaving the fandom if friendship isn't magic anymore in this show and is more about Twilight helping co-rule Equestria with the princes and princesses.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

I'm leaving the fandom if friendship isn't magic anymore in this show and is more about Twilight helping co-rule Equestria with the princes and princesses.

The show can still be about friendship. but girls love ADHD action just as much as boys do, case in point sailor moon and other various cartoons