The Fandom's (Second) Worst Trait: Crippling Over-Speculation

[Larkybird~ 734]

Can someone give me an actually well worded and not bullshit filled reasoning as to how these videos are "ruining" the show and "sucking all the fun" out of it. Because I seriously am not seeing it. At all. I think you people against it are just being thick had don't have any actual reasoning behind your opinion.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Captchet

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Can someone give me an actually well worded and not bullshit filled reasoning as to how these videos are "ruining" the show and "sucking all the fun" out of it. Because I seriously am not seeing it. At all. I think you people against it are just being thick had don't have any actual reasoning behind your opinion.

I won't defend claims that they're ruining the show, but I can explain the sucking the fun out part.

 

It feels like the analysis gets waaay too nitpicky and it seems there are a lot of people who basically need to go see the analysis videos before they can decide if they like an episode or not.

 

This extreme nitpickyness seems to result in a sort of forest for the trees effect where fans focus on minor BS and can't simply enjoy the episode as a whole.

 

But as I said before, I don't really care because they're only ruining it for themselves.

[Jeric 46,850]

@Andaasonsan

 

Good point, and one that JD Salinger made when he was horrified that critics were over analyzing his works. Salinger honestly feared that the day would come when someone would not pick up a book and read just for the words and the story. In other words, he wanted us to read for the sake of reading, to lose yourself, and enjoy.

 

As much as I sat here and said, debate and analyze away, I realize that I watched two seasons of this show in one week without once trying to find hidden meanings, or missed opportunities. I watched for fun. 

 

Also, I just realized I used both Shakespeare and Galileo to illustrate a deeper meaning in defense of a cartoon. I believe that is what they call laying it on a little thick.

 

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Sugarcube i have one piece of advice to you. EFFIN DEAL WITH IT FOR YIFFS SAKE!!! Don't like reviews? Don't watch them! It's an expression of an opinion and it can at times BE FUNNY! Don't know what i mean? Well watch this... and everything in this series.

It's a spoof of "Everything wrong with *Movie Tittle*". It's extremely funny!!! And also i've noticed that picking out every flaw in the show is the negativity of people and mostly the job and infuence of anti-bronies or negative people. Either or else analyzers and reviewers of shows who genuinly analyze them like Bronycurious, Antony C, Digibrony, are very fun to watch and highly entertaining. Especially Digibrony has been mostly positive in his reviews. Either or else it's the critic's job to nitpick everything in a show. Besides even they are not without flaws.

So stop the drama please...

[Larkybird~ 734]

I don't like repeating myself but I'll make an exception here:Ignore. It. If. It's. Bugging. You. That. Much. No ones forcing you to watch the videos so why the flying f---k are you complaining about it. If you aren't being forced into watching them or anything there's no reason to complain. Just leave it the hell alone. It won't "suck the fun out of or ruin the show" if you don't f-----g watch them or pay any f-----g attention to them. Good GOD how hard is this to comprehend.

[Carbon Maestro 1,003]

 

 

He doesn't have the power to stop their free speech anyway. And exercising free speech naturally comes with the downside of other people having the ability to criticize your opinions.

 

Yes and yes. When you speak up, people have the ability to have a different opinion. I think the writers should not take input from the community. There will be criticisms, but it's for the best.

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Every time I see some wanna-be analyst say so-and-so was OCC in whatever episode (do YOU know this character IRL) or that the writing in some episode was flawed or whatever the sh*t, it makes me want to castrate an elephant with my bare hands.

This analyst trend is doing nothing but encouraging people into overthinking the show and creating unrealistic expectations in said viewers about a show that isn't even meant for us.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Dattebayo

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

Yes and yes. When you speak up, people have the ability to have a different opinion. I think the writers should not take input from the community. There will be criticisms, but it's for the best.

Input and feedback is nessecary for sucess of a show. You can't just toss it in the trash or the viewers of those critics will toss you in the trash as well.

Every time I see some wanna-be analyst say so-and-so was OCC in whatever episode (do YOU know this character IRL) or that the writing in some episode was flawed or whatever the sh*t, it makes me want to castrate an elephant with my bare hands.

This analyst trend is doing nothing but encouraging people into overthinking the show and creating unrealistic expectations in said viewers about a show that isn't even meant for us.

I will tell you something that Antony C also quoted in one of his videos. Mlp being a kids show IS NO EXCUSE FOR BAD WRITTING.

 

Becoming an analyst should feel self fullfilling at first and then a chase for wannabe famous youtubers. However one should not be discouraged to do so simply because you don't like it. Thats not cool.

[User07832407840 177]

I really don't think there's anything wrong with analyses of episodes, because you don't have to watch them if you don't want to. I think anything created by bronies that adds to the community (meaning some other members of the brony community enjoy seeing it) is a good thing. I don't see how it can suck away the fun of watching episodes; if you don't watch the analyses, the episodes are still the same as ever. 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Input and feedback is nessecary for sucess of a show. You can't just toss it in the trash or the viewers of those critics will toss you in the trash as well.

I will tell you something that Antony C also quoted in one of his videos. Mlp being a kids show IS NO EXCUSE FOR BAD WRITTING.

 

Becoming an analyst should feel self fullfilling at first and then a chase for wannabe famous youtubers. However one should not be discouraged to do so simply because you don't like it. Thats not cool.

While it's not exactly an excuse, it certainly is a limitation.

What you and everyone who fancies themselves an analyst has to understand is that Hasbro and the writing staff cares F*CK ALL about us and what we have to say. Instead of what you think is happening (giving the writers feedback), it falls on deaf ears while analysts inadvertently create a whole mess of fans who become overnight critique snobs who point out hidden meanings and flaws in things that aren't even there. I don't watch analysts, because I don't want to get pissed off, but I'm surrounded by people who do and always talk about how the show is going downhill because so-and-so didn't eat her sandwich like her character says she should.

Do you understand? Do you see the fustercluck this "harmless" fad is creating?

[ReverieRiver 526]

While it's not exactly an excuse, it certainly is a limitation.

What you and everyone who fancies themselves an analyst has to understand is that Hasbro and the writing staff cares F*CK ALL about us and what we have to say. Instead of what you think is happening (giving the writers feedback), it falls on deaf ears while analysts inadvertently create a whole mess of fans who become overnight critique snobs who point out hidden meanings and flaws in things that aren't even there. I don't watch analysts, because I don't want to get pissed off, but I'm surrounded by people who do and always talk about how the show is going downhill because so-and-so didn't eat her sandwich like her character says she should.

Do you understand? Do you see the fustercluck this "harmless" fad is creating?

 

I'm inclined to agree with this. I always enjoy an episode for what it is - unless there really is some glaring flaw that can't be ignored (like Pinkie Pie's behavior in Filli Vanilli [in my own personal opinion that you don't have to agree with], for example). But when I watch an analysis video or hear others' criticisms of that same episode, it... kind of ruins it for me. Because at first, I can overlook the flaws. But analysts point every single flaw out, and after watching one of them, it changes the way I see that same episode. Once pointed out to me, I can't ignore those flaws anymore, and it bugs the heck out of me. Of course, some I don't agree with, but others bring up points that just, well, bug me because they might be right.

[Thrashy 2,800]

Hear ya  on that. If I'd spent my childhood picking apart my favorite movies and cartoons for every animation error, every minor continuity issue, every [insert whatever else some people will foam at the mouth about] down to the last detail - like some elitist, ego-inflated literature snob - I'd have had a childhood bereft of all immersion and wonderment, unable to see the forest for the trees...actually, I wouldn't be able to see the trees, either; I'd be too focused on each individual leaf to even know it was part of a tree.

 

Getting lost in the details that most people would deem inconsequential is the quickest path to Never Never [satisfied] Land. But hey, if a large chunk of the fandom wants to buy a one-way ticket to this magical land of demystification and deconstruction, then who am I to argue? Bon voyage.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

What you and everyone who fancies themselves an analyst has to understand is that Hasbro and the writing staff cares F*CK ALL about us and what we have to say.

Need i remind you that it was Hasbro looking at humanized art that led to Equestria Girls? Yea right... anyways. If they didn't pay attention to the fandom they wouldn't be banning series left and right. Whatever... they might not listen as much as we think but they do. Any company who knows itself knows the limits it can play the "deaf" ear trick for so long until it returns to bite them in the arse.

 

Do you understand? Do you see the fustercluck this "harmless" fad is creating?

It's not creating anything. In fact you are contradicting yourself and saying that these "Analysts" affect the show when you said before that they don't.

The only ones that are affected need to urgently fill out this thing. http://www.27bslash6.com/brf.jpg
Regardless Youtube analysts experience a different kind of attention gathering from TV. TV is bottom up... which means the idea comes from low... aka let's say Lauren Faust... and gets filtered by producers, directors, e.t.c. leading to the creating of MLP which is then distributed down... to the audience. The audience will then view it or not per choice. Youtube on the other hand is Top-Bottom. Which means that the creator generates the show and it's the audience's role to judge it according to the dislike/like bar.

Here's the advantage of Youtube vs TV. A youtube analyst like let's say "Nostalgia Critic" will find it easier to transfer his idea to the audience while in TV the idea will get filtered to more "safe" version. You won't see controversial shows like South Park easily emerge on TV. You won't see Internet series like "The Guild" full of nerds, World of Warcraft references, e.t.c. on TV. Now it's natural that not every analyst will emerge as a Youtube Star but they are certainly going to be some that shine out. You can't always succeed but if you do congratz!

So if you like it you like it, if you don't fine... the door is there. Those analysts are unlikely to get any real influence over the show. Maybe they'll show up in a con, maybe they'll create a bit of a drama amongst the fans. That's not their problem though... they are not responsible if people can't accept their differencies. If you're upset there are more than enough then fine... but none gives you the right to silence them and they most certainly don't do harm. 

 

I'm inclined to agree with this. I always enjoy an episode for what it is - unless there really is some glaring flaw that can't be ignored (like Pinkie Pie's behavior in Filli Vanilli [in my own personal opinion that you don't have to agree with], for example). But when I watch an analysis video or hear others' criticisms of that same episode, it... kind of ruins it for me. Because at first, I can overlook the flaws. But analysts point every single flaw out, and after watching one of them, it changes the way I see that same episode. Once pointed out to me, I can't ignore those flaws anymore, and it bugs the heck out of me. Of course, some I don't agree with, but others bring up points that just, well, bug me because they might be right.

If they are right they are right, if they are not meeeeh... just ignore them. What's the point of getting upset about it? It's more likely the fact that you get easily affected that you need to handle and less the fact that they told you that something is wrong with the thing you like.

[SveciaDash 364]

Not sure.. but you want people to stop analyzing mlp episodes and saying bad things about them?

[Larkybird~ 734]

Not sure.. but you want people to stop analyzing mlp episodes and saying bad things about them?

Yeah basically that's what the op wants. I don't give any f---s about the analysis videos myself.

[SveciaDash 364]

Yeah basically that's what the op wants. I don't give any f---s about the analysis videos myself.

I mean if something bothers you or its something you dont enjoy why the fudgecake would you watch it.

I dont like watching mlp fim reviews, because its my personal opinion that matters in my case.

 

Just remember that EVERYONE has the right to do what they want, if someone wants to review every single little detail in an episode he/she has the right to do so.

 

Your argument is flawed on so many levels.

Edited May 6, 2014 by SveciaDash

[Larkybird~ 734]

Oh. Just. Fuck it. I'm done. I'm done with this god damned conversation. Done with this damned thread period. Fuck it all I'm gone.

You can whine about analysis videos and how they're supposedly ruining the show and sucking the fun out of it; that's you're opinion, good for you. You've got every right to do so. I don't give a shit.

Or you can not watch them. Again. Your right, and I don't care.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Need i remind you that it was Hasbro looking at humanized art that led to Equestria Girls?

 

Equestria Girls seems to mostly exist because Hasbro wanted a line of dolls to compete with Monster High. The movies are just there as promotion.

 

Yea right... anyways. If they didn't pay attention to the fandom they wouldn't be banning series left and right.

The team of paralegals paid to scour the internet for pony violations =/= the people working on the show.

 

Whatever... they might not listen as much as we think but they do. Any company who knows itself knows the limits it can play the "deaf" ear trick for so long until it returns to bite them in the arse.

Friendship is Magic exists to appeal to young girls. Bronies are just an added benefit.

 

It's not creating anything. In fact you are contradicting yourself and saying that these "Analysts" affect the show when you said before that they don't.

He's not contradicting himself. It doesn't affect the show, it affects the fandom. If you are involved in this fandom you get to hear all the stupid over analysis by proxy.

Oh. Just. Fuck it. I'm done. I'm done with this god damned conversation. Done with this damned thread period. Fuck it all I'm gone.

You can whine about analysis videos and how they're supposedly ruining the show and sucking the fun out of it; that's you're opinion, good for you. You've got every right to do so. I don't give a shit.

Or you can not watch them. Again. Your right, and I don't care.

Okay then. Goodbye. Have a good day.

[PipsqueakThePirate 51]

I remember back in 2011, I wanted to do a analysis thing with a bunch of my friends, but rather than discuss plot holes, and animation errors, we were gonna talk about things like, "what does Zap-Apple jam taste like" or "do the ponies have televeision" super abstract stuff that we could base our GUESSES off of the show, but not to tear apart the show into its individual components.

[IridscentNionios 1,420]

 

 

Equestria Girls seems to mostly exist because Hasbro wanted a line of dolls to compete with Monster High. The movies are just there as promotion.

There's as much value in that claim as there is on mine. Regardless the influence existed.

 

The team of paralegals paid to scour the internet for pony violations =/= the people working on the show.

Of course i meant the company in general. The "company" as a term includes both sectors.

 

Friendship is Magic exists to appeal to young girls. Bronies are just an added benefit.

Never said it wasn't but i was talking in general. Bioware for example was forced to do something with the ending of Mass Effect 3 due to fan protests. Serves to show there can be cases where fans CAN affect companies. And regardless of the "Intended Audience" bronies are "customers" per say.

 

He's not contradicting himself. It doesn't affect the show, it affects the fandom. If you are involved in this fandom you get to hear all the stupid over analysis by proxy.

DRAMA.WILL.ALWAYS.EXIST.IN.FANDOMS. PERIOD. Ignore it... the more you talk about it the more it eats you. You don't have to watch it. Know that in this world there will be things you don't like. Like people who tend to overanalyze things. Also over-analyzing is highly subjective. Last but not least... analysis can be innacurate. Be intelligent enough to call the so-called "analyst" on his BS when that happens. Argue... if you don't... you're not going to find the truth. Don't want to? Why the hell are you staying?

Anyways... i don't hate analysts so much as i hate wannabe famous youtubers.

[SkyBound 827]

Just so you are aware @applejock, I have merged your thread with previous thread that already covers this line of discussion.  In the future, please be sure to use the search function to see if your idea for a thread already exists before creating a new one.

 

With that being said, let us try to keep any further discussion here calm and levelheaded while not devolving it into a string of agruments.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and whether one enjoys such in-depth analysis or simply wishes to enjoy the show is their own personal preference.  But if someone feels that they cannot express their opinions without it turning into some sort of shouting match, it may be best just to simply say nothing or reevaluate how you wish to state your thoughts, for this will often end in unncessary drama that everyone seems to wish to avoid.  You do not have to agree with everyone, but try to give everyone the respect they deserve.

 

Thank you and take care.