Elsa vs Celestia

[Gary S. 102]

Flawless logic. Fluttershy can now fly just as fast as RD Pinkie is as strong as AJ No, there is no evidence for Celestia knowing any spells other than what we've seen. IF you use this argument, then Elsa goes to absolute zero temperature and wipes away Celestia's atoms

 

So the former student already knows more spells than her mentor? Very unlikely.

But apparently since Canterlot Wedding Celestia is even supposed to loose against Trixie.

We have to live with that ^.^

Edited April 10, 2014 by Gary S.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Gary S.,

Well, Twilight is a prodigy, her special talent IS magic. It's not that surprising.

 

Honestly, I have Twilight as Celestia's equal, if not superior 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

 

We've agreed that Celestia and Luna weren't actually on the Sun and Moon

Well, she does MATERIALIZE from the sun in the first episode, so that implies her abilty to withstand extreme temps.

 

 

That just means their magic is overrated

Or it could mean that Discord, Spirit of Chaos, used magic-siphoning magic against her and the Elements (like he said he did).

 

The power pulses have a decent radius around Elsa, they would at least make Celestia drop her

Dude. They were for show, when she was singing. This can be purely aesthetic, for all you know.

 

We don't know about Starswirl actually.

We know he was one of the most powerful wizards/unicorns in Equestria, AND he was mentored by Celestia, so that talent must've come from somewhere, right?

 

There's no moment showing otherwise, therefore, it's canon

Flawless logic.

 

Then Celestia is a tactical moron

If you think about it, her planning is the reason why Equestria still stands today.

She sent Twilight to Ponyville, knowing fully well she will find friends and reactivate the Elements.

 

Why would Celestia be that hot? Celestia is not hot at all, judging by the fact that no one mentions heat around her at all, while Elsa is stated many times to feel cold to the touch

But not bone-fracturingly cold to the touch, like you were about to imply, I'm sure

 

 

Elsa can stop arrows mid flight. Her ice works a bit like Spider Sense in that she doesn't need to be conscious of it for it to work. Celestia isn't that fast and has shown no good speed feats aside from teleporting, which wouldn't help much since that would panic Elsa into going spray and pray mode

So you reinforce my "inexperienced with powers" point?

 

 

Nope, not going to bring that up. She was only there for two days

*I'm watching you*

 

There was no snow in the ice palace, it was created

There was snow literally everywhere outside. Y'know...where the giant snow golem was created. FROM THE SNOW ON THE GROUND.

 

Even so, Elsa did that with no effort. Put in a bit more effort, she can probably take away Equestria summers too

But she is WAAAY to undisciplined to do so. A song and dance routine doesn't compare to more than +1000 years of experience mentally AND tactically.

 

Didn't affect her in combat though. In fact, she was doing fairly well against the guards when she was doing her best to hold back

Were you and I watching the same movie? She did it because she was an animal backed up into a corner, not because she's uber-bossmode. Her clouded judgement and fear (plus a ton of luck and PIS on the bad guy's part, remember?)

 

 

It's to prevent running away and other mental attacks from happening. Basically, the only thing on their mind is killing the other. It tend to help out non-fighters like Titanosaurus and Elsa

Then they can still reason and have all their personality traits intact (outside of "hesitates to kill"). Those are the rules of every crossover match-up, otherwise, it's just a nameless face and a set of powers vs. another nameless face with set of powers.

 

 

I know, I'm just saying that Celestia being a demigoddes(never proved) means nothing

You don't live for +1000 years and are worshiped like a god ("As Celestia as my witness...!" and "In the same of Celestia, just sit there!", anyone?)  without reaching deity status.

She's definitely still mortal, of course. Like a demigod. ;P

 

Batman would get crushed by Marshmallow

He's taken on WAAAY bigger threats than that oversized-ice cube..but that's not the point of this thread. It was just a joke. x)

 

How would that work unless he's been studying Elsa for days? Is he a mind reader? Even then, there wouldn't be much knowledge on her considering she was locked in a room and most people wouldn't know about her mental problems. Still, he could probably break her

It doesn't take The World's Greatest Detective (which he definitely is) to realize that Elsa is damaged goods.

It's just like a sticker with an unglued edge...keep peeling of the edges and the whole thing will unravel.

 

Again, same thing as the other post.

 

 

So the former student already knows more spells than her mentor? Very unlikely.

But apparently since Canterlot Wedding Celestia is even supposed to loose against Trixie.

We have to live with that ^.^

Chrysalis absorbed Shing Armor's strong love( the most powerful element of that universe) for Cadance and became exponentially powerful.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Nuke87654 1,849]

 

We've agreed that Celestia and Luna weren't actually on the Sun and Moon

 

 

That just means their magic is overrated

 

 

The power pulses have a decent radius around Elsa, they would at least make Celestia drop her

 

 

We don't know about Starswirl actually.

 

 

There's no moment showing otherwise, therefore, it's canon

 

 

Then Celestia is a tactical moron

 

 

Why would Celestia be that hot? Celestia is not hot at all, judging by the fact that no one mentions heat around her at all, while Elsa is stated many times to feel cold to the touch

 

 

I think that the fact that Celestia didn't want to talk to Basil suggests she doesn't want to deal with them

 

 

Elsa can stop arrows mid flight. Her ice works a bit like Spider Sense in that she doesn't need to be conscious of it for it to work. Celestia isn't that fast and has shown no good speed feats aside from teleporting, which wouldn't help much since that would panic Elsa into going spray and pray mode

 

 

Nope, not going to bring that up. She was only there for two days

 

 

There was no snow in the ice palace, it was created

 

 

Even so, Elsa did that with no effort. Put in a bit more effort, she can probably take away Equestria summers too

 

 

Didn't affect her in combat though. In fact, she was doing fairly well against the guards when she was doing her best to hold back

 

 

It's to prevent running away and other mental attacks from happening. Basically, the only thing on their mind is killing the other. It tend to help out non-fighters like Titanosaurus and Elsa

 

 

I know, I'm just saying that Celestia being a demigoddes(never proved) means nothing

 

 

Yeah, I got that by this point

 

Batman would get crushed by Marshmallow

 

 

How would that work unless he's been studying Elsa for days? Is he a mind reader? Even then, there wouldn't be much knowledge on her considering she was locked in a room and most people wouldn't know about her mental problems. Still, he could probably break her

 

 

1. Then where were they when they were banished as we see Nightmare Moon (Luna) clearly get shot to the Moon and sealed there.

 

2. Considering those vines were created by the same guy who can beat them in a straight fight, they were powered up by the Tree of Harmony for a thousand years, and they caught them completely off guard, I wouldn't say overrated.

 

3. What can these powerpulses do please.

 

4. We know from the comics that Starswirl was able to create whole portals that allow them to enter alternate dimensions or worlds and that he had assisted the princesses on their adventure and other matters. Also, considering her has earned prestige of being a powerful mage from both his libraries and Twilight's admiration, I'd say that he is one.

 

5. It is canon indeed.

 

6. So is every other pony apparently if we're to judge them by those circumstances. But I'd say it has more to deal with the writers simply not being stupendously creative with combat.

 

7. You're misjudged my response, I meant can she survive the sun itself, not Celestia herself as we see no evidence she's that hot either. Either way, even if she were cold to touch, unless she's able to freeze people to icicles by having them simply touch her without doing anything, I don't see a point for this coldness she has.

 

8. Whose Basil?

 

9. An athletic pegasus pony in rainbow dash was shown to be a lightning dodger, able to dodge lightning strikes with little difficulty and Princess Luna was able to go at hypersonic speed on her return trip from the moon. The fastest arrow record  is 588 feet per second or around half of what the speed of sound is. That would only indicate she has subsonic to low end supersonic reaction speed at best. It still falls far short of Celestia's supposed massive hypersonic reaction speed and hypersonic movement speed via power scaling.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Well, she does MATERIALIZE from the sun in the first episode, so that implies her abilty to withstand extreme temps.

You said earlier that they aren't actually banished to them, other wise Luna is huge

 

 

Or it could mean that Discord, Spirit of Chaos, used magic-siphoning magic against her and the Elements (like he said he did)

Magic siphoning that fails against AJ?

 

 

Dude. They were for show, when she was singing. This can be purely aesthetic, for all you know.

Ummm

 

Did you miss this? 

 

 

We know he was one of the most powerful wizards/unicorns in Equestria, AND he was mentored by Celestia, so that talent must've come from somewhere, right?

When was it said he was mentored by Celestia? He was around before her time according to Clover the Clever

 

 

Flawless logic.

If it appears and nothing contradicts it, then it is canon

 

 

If you think about it, her planning is the reason why Equestria still stands today. She sent Twilight to Ponyville, knowing fully well she will find friends and reactivate the Elements.

Thinking in battle is different from long term plans, which Celestia IS good at

 

 

But not bone-fracturingly cold, like you were about to imply, I'm sure

IDK, she was fine with steel shattering temperatures, she can probably lower her body temperature. I won't fight his point though 

 

 

So you reinforce my "inexperienced with powers" point

Yes, but spraying and praying helps in this scenario

 

 

There was snow literally everywhere outside. Y'know...where the giant snow golem was created. FROM THE SNOW ON THE GROUND

Really? Rewatch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnB0EgodJc

There's no snow where she creates him

 

 

But she is WAAAY to undisciplined to do so. A song and dance routine doesn't compare to more than +1000 years of experience mentally AND tactically.

Actually, those 1,000 years might have made Celestia WORSE. She might have gotten rusty. Even if she didn't there's nothing to say she practiced her arts. And it's not that hard to just increase power output, especially at the end of the movie when Elsa has control

 

 

Were you and I watching the same movie? She did it because she was an animal backed up into a corner, not because she's uber-bossmode. Her clouded judgement and fear (plus a ton of luck and PIS on the bad guy's part, remember?)

I don't belive you know what PIS is. Anyway, my point is that it didn't inhibit her fighting ability

 

 

Then they can still reason and have all their personality traits intact (outside of "hesitates to kill"). Those are the rules of every crossover match-up, otherwise, it's just a nameless face and a set of powers vs. another nameless face with set of powers.

Usually making the other fighter run away, unless it's a direct psychic strike, does not count. They'll both be trying their hardest to win

 

 

You don't live for +1000 years and are worshiped like a god ("As Celestia as my witness...!" and "In the same of Celestia, just sit there!", anyone?)  without reaching deity status. She's definitely still mortal, of course. Like a demigod. ;P

Your point being? People said the Pharoah was a god and probably swore in his name. People say in the name of the king too

 

 

He's taken on WAAAY bigger threats than that oversized-ice cube..but that's not the point of this thread. It was just a joke. x)

Said oversized ice cube is basically immune to damage and can toss trees like nothing, he would rip Bane, someone Batman has trouble with, in half

 

 

It doesn't take The World's Greatest Detective (which he definitely is) to realize that Elsa is damaged goods. It's just like a sticker...keep peeling of the edges and the whole thing will unravel.

Yes, but how would he know to exploit it? For all Batman knows, she's afraid of bugs or something. Given a week, he'd work it out

 

1. Then where were they when they were banished as we see Nightmare Moon (Luna) clearly get shot to the Moon and sealed there.

 

2. Considering those vines were created by the same guy who can beat them in a straight fight, they were powered up by the Tree of Harmony for a thousand years, and they caught them completely off guard, I wouldn't say overrated.

 

3. What can these powerpulses do please.

 

4. We know from the comics that Starswirl was able to create whole portals that allow them to enter alternate dimensions or worlds and that he had assisted the princesses on their adventure and other matters. Also, considering her has earned prestige of being a powerful mage from both his libraries and Twilight's admiration, I'd say that he is one.

 

5. It is canon indeed.

 

6. So is every other pony apparently if we're to judge them by those circumstances. But I'd say it has more to deal with the writers simply not being stupendously creative with combat.

 

7. You're misjudged my response, I meant can she survive the sun itself, not Celestia herself as we see no evidence she's that hot either. Either way, even if she were cold to touch, unless she's able to freeze people to icicles by having them simply touch her without doing anything, I don't see a point for this coldness she has.

 

8. Whose Basil?

 

9. An athletic pegasus pony in rainbow dash was shown to be a lightning dodger, able to dodge lightning strikes with little difficulty and Princess Luna was able to go at hypersonic speed on her return trip from the moon. The fastest arrow record  is 588 feet per second or around half of what the speed of sound is. That would only indicate she has subsonic to low end supersonic reaction speed at best. It still falls far short of Celestia's supposed massive hypersonic reaction speed and hypersonic movement speed via power scaling.

1. Ask the other posters, apparently Luna wasn't actually on the Moon, she was sealed there via magic 

 

2. AJ, an Earth Pony, was shredding them

 

3. Let's see, they killed someone Elsa did not want to kill within a matter of hours, they hurt like a bitch when they hit, and have some level of concussive force. While their deadliness is not a factor since it won't take hours, they will hurt and make Celestia drop her

 

4. comics being canon is debatable

 

5. Okay

 

6. Since they are in character save for blood lust, we'll keep Celestia's tactical incompetence

 

7. Elsa's ice can shatter steel after milliseconds of exposure, even if her actual body isn't that cold, it CAN emit it as seen when she crossed the fjord

 

8. The red dragon that Fluttershy bullied

 

9. Celestia does not need to be as fast as them. She is definitely not as fast as RD, if she were, she could have rescued the Wonderbolts. I feel Luna's thing was more teleportation than speed since there weren't any sonic booms. When they were dog fighting, there wasn't even a mach cone around them. They are sub sonic in speed

[Dattebayo 2,850]

You said earlier that they aren't actually banished to them, other wise Luna is huge

No, Celestia came out of the actual Sun after raising it in the first episode, remember?

 

Magic siphoning that fails against AJ?

Magic siphoning magic doesn't work on a non-magical Earth pony?

Holy sh*t, friend.

 

Ummm

Did you miss this?

Nope, that's not enegy bursts. That's her undisciplined mind shooting magic everywhere.

Remember that scene? SHe was all like ""uuhuhuh I'm a monster, get away from me".

Thjere is no way in hell she can do that again if she wanted to.

You now it. I know it. Frozen fans know it.

 

 

When was it said he was mentored by Celestia? He was around before her time according to Clover the Clever

I'm counting official comic-canon as a different medium, like I would for Batman as a comic character AND cartoon character.

 

 

Thinking in battle is different from long term plans, which Celestia IS good at

What proof is there that she's not good at the short term planning, if she excels in the long run?

 

Yes, but spraying and praying helps in this scenario

To help wear her out and help Celestia win, yeah.

AGain...she's undisciplined.

That's what this entire thing comes down to: experience and mastery of magic.

 

Really? Rewatch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnB0EgodJc

There's no snow where she creates him

Ice=fozen, solidifed snow. See that cloud? Probably ice being transmuted.

 

 

Actually, those 1,000 years might have made Celestia WORSE. She might have gotten rusty. Even if she didn't there's nothing to say she practiced her arts. And it's not that hard to just increase power output, especially at the end of the movie when Elsa has control

As the lone protector of an entire expansive kingdom, you really think that she won't hone her arts?

This isn't DBZ, you can't just charge your Ki and increase your power. Elsa is not Goku.

 

 

 

I don't belive you know what PIS is. Anyway, my point is that it didn't inhibit her fighting ability

Plot induced stupidity.

lol yeah it did, even if you consider her "randomly shooting stuff at dumb bad guys" MLG fighting skills

 

Be right back, my time is out on this 1-hour computer.

Dont respond to this yet

Edited April 10, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

No, Celestia came out of the actual Sun after raising it in the first episode, remember?

Didn't look like it to me

 

 

Magic siphoning magic doesn't work on a non-magical Earth pony? Holy sh*t, friend.

Even so, Twilight was able to hold off the vines better than Celestia making one sqeak and being captured

 

 

Nope, that's not enegy bursts. That's her undisciplined mind shooting magic everywhere.

Does it make a difference? It's an AOE attack with a decent radius

 

 

TO help wear her out and help Celestia win, yeah.

Considering that making the ice palace didn't even wind her, I don't think she'll be too tired

 

 

Ice=fozen, solidifed snow. See that cloud? Probably ice being transmuted.

Okay then, even so, it was a pretty quick thing

 

 

lol yeah it did, even if you consider her "shooting stuff at dumb bad guys" MLG fighting skills

How did it affect her fighting skills? She was trying not to kill them(according to the script) and that was working okay until the end. I never said they were incredible skills, just that they are good enough for fighting 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

There, I finished it.

Read it again please, I was on a time limit.

[Nuke87654 1,849]

You said earlier that they aren't actually banished to them, other wise Luna is huge

 

 

Magic siphoning that fails against AJ?

 

 

Ummm

Did you miss this? 

 

 

When was it said he was mentored by Celestia? He was around before her time according to Clover the Clever

 

 

If it appears and nothing contradicts it, then it is canon

 

 

Thinking in battle is different from long term plans, which Celestia IS good at

 

 

IDK, she was fine with steel shattering temperatures, she can probably lower her body temperature. I won't fight his point though 

 

 

Yes, but spraying and praying helps in this scenario

 

 

Really? Rewatch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnB0EgodJc

There's no snow where she creates him

 

 

Actually, those 1,000 years might have made Celestia WORSE. She might have gotten rusty. Even if she didn't there's nothing to say she practiced her arts. And it's not that hard to just increase power output, especially at the end of the movie when Elsa has control

 

 

I don't belive you know what PIS is. Anyway, my point is that it didn't inhibit her fighting ability

 

 

Usually making the other fighter run away, unless it's a direct psychic strike, does not count. They'll both be trying their hardest to win

 

 

Your point being? People said the Pharoah was a god and probably swore in his name. People say in the name of the king too

 

 

Said oversized ice cube is basically immune to damage and can toss trees like nothing, he would rip Bane, someone Batman has trouble with, in half

 

 

Yes, but how would he know to exploit it? For all Batman knows, she's afraid of bugs or something. Given a week, he'd work it out

 

1. Ask the other posters, apparently Luna wasn't actually on the Moon, she was sealed there via magic 

That would still imply she was on the moon. The problem with your contention is that you're not offering anything to suggest where she was at if she isn't on the moon despite agreeing that she was sealed there. She has to be somewhere and she was shot and sealed to the moon.

 

2. AJ, an Earth Pony, was shredding them

The more powerful Twilight Sparkle, able to ensnare all of her friends in a telekinetic hold, was having issues with them, not to mention it could be seen as Meghan wishing to show Applejack being a badass in the episode. Also, the vines were empowered by Discord and the Tree of Harmony and caught the completely off guard.

 

3. Let's see, they killed someone Elsa did not want to kill within a matter of hours, they hurt like a bitch when they hit, and have some level of concussive force. While their deadliness is not a factor since it won't take hours, they will hurt and make Celestia drop her

If they're in close proximity they may make her flinch, but extend that range far enough and those pulses won't matter. Good point.

 

 

4. comics being canon is debatable

Unless they've officially said the comics aren't canon, everything that is officially licensed by Hasbro is canon to them.

 

5. Okay

 

6. Since they are in character save for blood lust, we'll keep Celestia's tactical incompetence

But bloodlusted just means Celestia would go all out meaning she'll move and attack at hypersonic speeds and start firing magic spells and other hax spells to debilitate and kill Elsa.

 

7. Elsa's ice can shatter steel after milliseconds of exposure, even if her actual body isn't that cold, it CAN emit it as seen when she crossed the fjord

Impressive, that can help her here.

 

8. The red dragon that Fluttershy bullied

You mean the dragon Celestia gave Twilight and her friends to handle on their own. Considering how Celestia was building Twilight to be a princess, I can see this as more of her giving Twilght an opportunity to prove herself capable of handling a delicate situation.

 

9. Celestia does not need to be as fast as them. She is definitely not as fast as RD, if she were, she could have rescued the Wonderbolts. I feel Luna's thing was more teleportation than speed since there weren't any sonic booms. When they were dog fighting, there wasn't even a mach cone around them. They are sub sonic in speed

Is it implied that she's any slower? The fact her sister was able to move at hypersonic speeds would suggest the older sister should be able to move at such speeds too. Also, your contention against Celestia about the Wonderbolts and Rarity falling can also be applied to everyone else since Cloudsdale was the home city of Pegasus ponies, most of the could've easily jumped in there too, and it would've taken whatever opportunity Rainbow Dash needed to do the Sonic Rainboom if Celestia jumped in to save the day. Teleportation that shows a clear streak of light moving back to Equestria? This goes against every other teleportation spell shown as it's normally a simple vanish and a flashing light to reappear in the show. In fact, her streak of light she used to get back seems alot more similar to the one both rainbow dash and twilight used to increase their movement speeds in flight (ala Sonic Rainboom) than the teleportation spell.

 

I'm still failing to see how Elsa can win when Celestia is much faster, has a larger variety of attacks, and is more durable to conventional attacks.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Nuke87654

[Dattebayo 2,850]

I'm still failing to see how Elsa can win when Celestia is much faster, has a larger variety of attacks, and is more durable to conventional attacks.

AND Celestia has a more disciplined mind to which she can control her spells with, coupled with years upon YEARS of time to hone and perfect them.

Elsa had...what..the short duration of the movie?

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

Remember that scene? SHe was all like ""uuhuhuh I'm a monster, get away from me". Thjere is no way in hell she can do that again if she wanted to.

Her powers activate when certain emotions are felt. Most of the movie, she was having trouble because she tried concealing her emotions. This is post thaw however so she knows how her powers work now

 

 

I'm counting official comic-canon as a different medium, like I would for Batman as a comic character AND cartoon character.

Fair enough

 

 

What proof is there that she's not good at the short term planning, if she excels in the long run?

Because she failed to spot Chrysalis, got outgambitted by Nightmare Moon, and didn't foresee Sombra having a failsafe? Also leaving the mirror the human world intact

 

 

AGain...she's undisciplined. That's what this entire thing coems down to: experience and mastery of magic

Skill isn't everything, not when one of them can create an icicle in your brain

 

 

As the lone protector of an entire expansive kingdom, you really think that she won't hone her arts? This isn't DBZ, you can't just charge your Ki and increase your power. Elsa is not Goku.

Celestia likes peace, I doubt she'd be keeping herself in shape.

 

Yes, but through out most of the movie, Elsa is holding back because of the whole "conceal don't feel" thing. Upon the end of the movie, she does not have this problem anymore (for some reason) and can now use her powers at full might instead of the random bursts she does earlier

 

AND Celestia has a more disciplined mind to which she can control her spells with, coupled with years upon YEARS of time to hone and perfect them.
Elsa had...what..the short duration of the movie?

the disciplined mind that failed to notice Chrysalis? The disciplined mind who fell for Discord's riddle?

@@Nuke87654,

1. This is a point based on POV, agree to disagree?

 

2. ....AJ tearing up vines is badass? Twilight was having trouble, yes, but she was also holding them back unlike Celestia and Luna

 

3. We don't really see long range telekinesis, well, not long range enough for the power pulse to not hit her

 

4.  I believe the official word was "They are canon if you want them to be"

 

6. She's not hypersonic since there are no sonic booms in her dog fight against NMM. She has no reason to move slower than usual. Her seen offensive spells consist of a concussive beam that isn't even enough to move her a meter

 

8. Maybe so, but the fact that a dragon sees nothing wrong with invading her territory to me suggests that they are more powerful. This is based on view point

 

9. Twilight never actually increased her speed, according to Meghan, it was just a Trixie style special effect. Celestia could be that fast, but again, no sonic booms when she fought NMM in Canterlot. Maybe she got fat and lazy from too many cakes?

 

10. I see Elsa winning because her arsenal is more dangerous. An icicle in the brain of Celestia would be fatal while Celestia has no similar insta kill attack. She could try using her concussive rays(which will hurt Elsa and two-three shot her) but ice walls should protect her. You also underestimate the snowlems, Elsa can summon them at will and they are very powerful and hard to injure

[Jorguil 54]

As Wiz from death battle said and I quote "I hear all the fanboys raging but Raph won in the movie he should have won here neh neh NO! One the fight was plot constructed which is rarely accurate."

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Jorguil,

....What? Are you referring to Celestia or Elsa? As for Ralph, there were times when it was clear as day that Leo could have taken him down, that does bear a weakness onto Leo: not having a killer instinct. Celestia does not have this problem as seen with Sombra but she is a terrible strategist consistently all the time. Exception, if it's been planned for a long time, then she's good

[Dattebayo 2,850]

You will defend a point to the death, friend, I'll give you that, no matter how weak the stock behind it or how blinded by loyalty you are. x)

 

 

 

Skill isn't everything, not when one of them can create an icicle in your brain

Oh sh*t, we're going there?

BAM. Elsa in now sent to the sun for her heinous crimes against her people, where she will remain there until the day she dies of old age.

 

See? I can rely on game-ruining ultimatums as well. 

 

 

 

 

You also underestimate the snowlems, Elsa can summon them at will and they are very powerful and hard to injure

You give Elsa the power to summon an unspecified number of golemns at once, but Celestia can only summon her guards. WTF.

Think about that.

 

I say, Celestia can summon DISCORD at will.

He is, after all, under her orders (no matter how troublesome he is at times).

 

Not fair, right?

 

You're not really good at creating fair match ups, friend.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Jorguil 54]

This was to reference how shows have been know to do they want to anyone just have it go a way they want it being Celestia is a Demigod the show would never have any episodes to show case villains if she just won. The best example of this kind of writing is super man like Boom stick said "Since then his power has been pretty inconsistent" even though there is a reason for it this dictates if the writer feels like making him weak as dirt or as strong as god. The argument about the sun in of it self is true it seems like a big feat but really it show cases her broad concentration as the sun is essentially a ball of gas it is weightless as the moon proves Lunas strong focus concentration but it does mean that by having a broad range as Celestia has she is able to do things from ridiculous long distances with what I would consider a little above average unicorn power but then again this is all assumption.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

You will defend a point to the death, friend, I'll give you that, no matter how weak the stock behind it or how blinded by loyalty you are. x)

I try. I have changed opinions before though, ask my buddies on the DBZ forums

 

 

Oh sh*t, we're going there? BAM. Elsa in now sent to the sun for her heinous crimes against her people, where she will remain there until the day she dies of old age.   See? I can rely on game-ruining ultimatums as well. 

Except Celestia can't do that under her own power, she needs the Elements to pull that off. Elsa can do that under her own power

 

 

You give Elsa the power to summon an unspecified number of golemns at once, but Celestia can only summon her guards. WTF.

Actually, she can't even summon her guards. I figured they were useless. The snowlems are there because, like you pointed out, Elsa is not a great fighter, she's an okay one. The snowlems can make up for that. Besides, they are an innate part of her powers. I don't think Celestia has a create guard spell

 

 

I say, Celestia can summon DISCORD at will. He is, after all, under her orders (no matter how troublesome he is at times).

He is not part of her own power. If she created Discord, that would be another matter entirely. Also, comparing Discord's assistance capability to the Snowlems is woefully bad. If you really want for Celestia to have some allies, she gets some Earth Pony guards to combat the snowlems

 

 

Not fair, right?   You're not really good at creating fair match ups, friend.

Fair means without trying to achieve an unjust advantage.

 

Elsa can create snowlems as she pleases, it is a power of hers. Celestia's guards are all individuals that she can't just create. I am not giving either an advantage

[Jorguil 54]

Well the only thing that would keep this one sided is if Celestia is or not capable of doing "gulp" what Lucy from Elfen lied can do which is sever limbs with a glance at her opponent that still scares me thinking about it.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Jorguil,

I doubt it. She has concussive magic, but ice shields take care of that 

[Nuke87654 1,849]

This was to reference how shows have been know to do they want to anyone just have it go a way they want it being Celestia is a Demigod the show would never have any episodes to show case villains if she just won. The best example of this kind of writing is super man like Boom stick said "Since then his power has been pretty inconsistent" even though there is a reason for it this dictates if the writer feels like making him weak as dirt or as strong as god. The argument about the sun in of it self is true it seems like a big feat but really it show cases her broad concentration as the sun is essentially a ball of gas it is weightless as the moon proves Lunas strong focus concentration but it does mean that by having a broad range as Celestia has she is able to do things from ridiculous long distances with what I would consider a little above average unicorn power but then again this is all assumption.

 

A ball of gas <, the sun still has matter and massive amounts of mass which showcases the amount of force required to actually move the thing. The fact Celestia is able to actually move the object at will is no small feat and that's not counting the range and crap.

[Jorguil 54]

So you are saying a ice shield can stop stuff like this?

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Jorguil,

Are you referring to Ashe's punch or Mewtwo's telekinesis?

 

The punch, yes, that is pathetic.

 

The telekinesis, a cushion of snow 

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Dude.

A TEASPOON of the average star weighs 5,500,000,000 tons.

 

Clesetia wins, no arguments needed anymore, no beating around the bush. x)

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Dattebayo, 

Yet later one she struggles to break stone? Yet a beam the knocks her out doesn't even break her crown? The moving the Sun thing is a specific spell

[Jorguil 54]

I am sorry but I don't get how snow or a ice shield stops a telekinetic attack it does not have a physical form it affects those the one who uses it with thought alone nothing blocks mental thought the only way to stop that would be if her brain was dead killing her. some characters have mental blocks to fight that but only a phew do have this ability in the first place this is taking in many characters in various shows there too many none protected characters.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Jorguil, 

No, I mean when she's tossed away, she can create a snow cushion to break her fall