ggg-2 3,553 August 6, 2014 Share August 6, 2014 @Zoraxe well, yeah, Cadance is the one in charge of the empire, not Celestia and Luna. 1 Don't be a nerd. Join the herd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulln 755 August 6, 2014 Share August 6, 2014 I've always seen Equestria as a country, but I guess a country could be a kingdom. I feel like there's much more to the world than just that, and I would even bet there's more alicorns out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 6, 2014 Share August 6, 2014 (edited) @Zoraxe well, yeah, Cadance is the one in charge of the empire, not Celestia and Luna. Think about it, if that is the case with the Crystal Empire then what about the rest of Equestria? In Luna's castle would Celestia have less authority than Luna (If she has a Castle, Faust says she does)? In Ponyville would Twilight have more authority than Celestia? In Manehatten would the local government have more authority than all the Princesses? If Cherry Jubilee is the leader of Doge Junction (why ells would she be in the VIP box during the Equestria Games?) than in Doge Junction would Cherry Jubilee have more authority than Celestia? Also, what is the relationship between Twilight and Mayor Mare? Edited August 6, 2014 by Zoraxe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wander 125 August 6, 2014 Share August 6, 2014 Everyones a princess >.< Everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim&Venöm 19,385 August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 How can it be a kingdom when there is no king? It may function the same way but as far as terminology goes, it just doesn't make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cedar 1,408 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 How can it be a kingdom when there is no king? It may function the same way but as far as terminology goes, it just doesn't make sense. Tell that to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Monarch and Sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. you'd be surprised how little land you actually need to be a 'kingdom'. There are a few jokers in real life who have literally bought land the size of a small field and legally had it declared a separate state/kingdom. XD There's even some real-world examples that aren't based on some guy's idea for a laugh (which actually have no legal weight, the Principality of Sealand notwithstanding). For example, the Principality of Monaco is basically the size of a large city, and yet it's been an independent, sovereign state with its own monarch ruling it for the better part of eight hundred years. 1 Roleplaying OC: Red Cedar - Cast Character: Applejack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tao 8,034 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 Given Equestria is a kingdom ruled by the two sisters who raise the sun and and the moon and its been shown there are also other kingdoms/lands and such does make me wonder if these other kingdoms/nations/lands have to pay some kind of homage to the sister at all? Given Celestia has power over the given sun and etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim&Venöm 19,385 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 Tell that to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Monarch and Sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Wouldn't that technically make it a Queendom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cedar 1,408 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 Wouldn't that technically make it a Queendom? Never has before. The proper term is Kingdom, regardless. 1 Roleplaying OC: Red Cedar - Cast Character: Applejack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StitchandMLPlover 930 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 Interesting to note that when Celestia and Luna were at the Crystal Empire, it was Cadance who had the highest seat and Celestia and Luna who had the lower seats. Her seat wasn't higher. I saw the episode today and the seats seemed to be the same height. I could be wrong though. My short independent films about physical disability! http://cripvideoproductions.tumblr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abia 258 August 10, 2014 Share August 10, 2014 Equestria is definitely a kingdom. A large one, but still a kingdom. I believe Luna and Celestia (and possibly even Twilight) have equal authority over citizens of Equestria, but Luna is less certain of herself than Celestia and thus leaves most of the governing to her older sister. It may be worth mentioning--and I apologize if it has been before--that the guards the season four premiere turned to Twilight as a last resort. She is not as high of an authority figure as Celestia, Luna or even Cadence, who is technically not a ruler of Equestria at all. Assuming royal authority follows the same rules in Equestria (or, more accurately, the MLP universe, since we're talking about the Crystal Empire and other kingdoms as well as Equestria) as they do here, the princesses do not have authority in each other's kingdoms. They may be treated with respect and ponies may do as they ask, but unless the princess of the respective kingdom actually grants them authority and gives them a position of power, they may not give the same orders as they could in their own territory. Being the president of one country doesn't mean you can visit another and declare war for that nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Her seat wasn't higher. I saw the episode today and the seats seemed to be the same height. I could be wrong though. Nope, her seat was higher, and in the middle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyScholar 1,584 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 @@Zoraxe, I believe they thought you were talking about at the Equestrian Games. It would make sense the above since there is only one throne, apart from standing along the sides of the throne there would be nowhere else for Princess Celestia and Princess Luna to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\/ 651 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Yeah, I never really thought that Luna had much power. This reminds me of Luna and her job. Enter the Forest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousSMALL 1,984 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Or a quadrarchy (not sure if it exists ) if you include Twilight and Cadance. Well Cadence runs the Crystal Empire. And Twilight is more like a lord or something, kind of like in medieval europe there would be lord's who controlled parts of the land to ensure it was kept safe from invaders and generally kept everything straight in their area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 (edited) Well Cadence runs the Crystal Empire. And Twilight is more like a lord or something, kind of like in medieval europe there would be lord's who controlled parts of the land to ensure it was kept safe from invaders and generally kept everything straight in their area. There is no indication at all that there are tiers of Alicorn princesses, but prince/princess of a region seems to be a different office than Alicorn princess (Or Alicorn prince, or Alicorn King, or Alicorn Queen. If such positions can even exist) . Theoretically then the 4 princesses of Equestria are all of equal standing in Equestria as a whole, but locally are different. Cadance seems to be of duel positions as an 'Alicorn Princess of Equestria' and 'Princess of the Crystal Empire', where as Shining Armor is 'Prince of the Crystal Empire' but not a 'Prince of Equestria'. Twilight does have a castle now, but does she have any command? She didn't before so unless having a castle changes anything than she isn't a lord or anything, despite being an 'Alicorn Princess'. Edited August 13, 2014 by Zoraxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StitchandMLPlover 930 August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Nope, her seat was higher, and in the middle. @@Zoraxe, I believe they thought you were talking about at the Equestrian Games. It would make sense the above since there is only one throne, apart from standing along the sides of the throne there would be nowhere else for Princess Celestia and Princess Luna to be. Yes I didn't realize you meant the scene in Equestria Girls. I thought you meant the games episode where all of them were sitting in thrones right next to each other. And yeah there is only one throne in Equestria Girls but is is interesting none the less since in "Twilight's Kingdom" Celestia was sitting higher than Luna and Cadence in Canerlot instead. It does say something about status in certain locations. My short independent films about physical disability! http://cripvideoproductions.tumblr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 24, 2014 Share August 24, 2014 (edited) Yes I didn't realize you meant the scene in Equestria Girls. I thought you meant the games episode where all of them were sitting in thrones right next to each other. And yeah there is only one throne in Equestria Girls but is is interesting none the less since in "Twilight's Kingdom" Celestia was sitting higher than Luna and Cadence in Canerlot instead. It does say something about status in certain locations. Actually, why is there only that one throne and two spots next to it? Wouldn't there be 2 thrones for Cadance and Shining Armor? I guess that means Shining Armor is not the same level of authority as Cadance. Or maybe they switch who gets to sit in the throne or something. Edited August 24, 2014 by Zoraxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixor 80 August 25, 2014 Share August 25, 2014 (edited) Actually, why is there only that one throne and two spots next to it? Wouldn't there be 2 thrones for Cadance and Shining Armor? I guess that means Shining Armor is not the same level of authority as Cadance. Or maybe they switch who gets to sit in the throne or something. It was probably just built that way, and it doesn't look like it'd be easy or even worth it to change that. And although he is a prince consort, I doubt Shining Armor has less 'authority', though perhaps both of them usually focus on different things. There is no indication at all that there are tiers of Alicorn princesses, but prince/princess of a region seems to be a different office than Alicorn princess (Or Alicorn prince, or Alicorn King, or Alicorn Queen. If such positions can even exist) . Theoretically then the 4 princesses of Equestria are all of equal standing in Equestria as a whole, but locally are different. Cadance seems to be of duel positions as an 'Alicorn Princess of Equestria' and 'Princess of the Crystal Empire', where as Shining Armor is 'Prince of the Crystal Empire' but not a 'Prince of Equestria'. Twilight does have a castle now, but does she have any command? She didn't before so unless having a castle changes anything than she isn't a lord or anything, despite being an 'Alicorn Princess'. I see no reason whatsoever to believe that alicorn prince's don't exist, though I don't know about alicorn queens and kings. Equestria could be referred to as a principality. Edited August 25, 2014 by Vixor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 25, 2014 Share August 25, 2014 It was probably just built that way, and it doesn't look like it'd be easy or even worth it to change that. That makes sense, I'll accept that explanation as headcanon. I see no reason whatsoever to believe that alicorn prince's don't exist, though I don't know about alicorn queens and kings. Equestria could be referred to as a principality. Unfortunately, we have no evidence of males being alicorns existing, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,861 August 25, 2014 Share August 25, 2014 Unfortunately, we have no evidence of males being alicorns existing, yet. Other than the weirdness in Season 4 (some male Alicorns were shown in a few episodes) that could easily be animation errors, you're right. Except the Journal of the Two Sisters does reference the Alicorn tribe. I can't remember if there were any male pronouns in that passage though. Either way, it's not a jump to say that there were two sexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StitchandMLPlover 930 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 (edited) Actually, why is there only that one throne and two spots next to it? Wouldn't there be 2 thrones for Cadance and Shining Armor? I guess that means Shining Armor is not the same level of authority as Cadance. Or maybe they switch who gets to sit in the throne or something. That throne was built for a single crystal queen and then king Sombra used it for himself so a 2nd throne was just never built.(that would be my humble guess based on what Twilight read in the crystal empire history book and other elements of the episode.) Other than the weirdness in Season 4 (some male Alicorns were shown in a few episodes) that could easily be animation errors, you're right. Except the Journal of the Two Sisters does reference the Alicorn tribe. I can't remember if there were any male pronouns in that passage though. Either way, it's not a jump to say that there were two sexes. Those were indeed animation errors as far as I know. However I'll bet there are or at least were male alicorns at one point. If the male alicorns are gone/no longer exist that raises the question of what happened to them and whether Celestia and Luna are the last born alicorns alive. If Luna and Celestia are the last alicorns that may explain part of why they transformed Twilight and Cadence to rule when they are gone or just can no longer rule for one reason or another. Edited August 26, 2014 by StitchandMLPlover 1 My short independent films about physical disability! http://cripvideoproductions.tumblr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraxe 546 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 Other than the weirdness in Season 4 (some male Alicorns were shown in a few episodes) that could easily be animation errors, you're right. Except the Journal of the Two Sisters does reference the Alicorn tribe. I can't remember if there were any male pronouns in that passage though. Either way, it's not a jump to say that there were two sexes. So there was an Alicorn Tribe? I guess 'Alicorns' were born then, rather than being 'made' like Twilight and Cadance. Makes me wonder if there are any Alicorns that Celestia doesn't know about, maybe magically hibernating or something from the time when the Alicorn Tribe existed. Does this mean that before the period depicted in 'Hearths Warming Eve' there was a period that included an Alicorn tribe that ruled over the other tribes, and I wonder what happened to make the Alicorns (Except Luna and Celestia) disappear. I'm hoping for some history lore in season 5! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,861 August 26, 2014 Share August 26, 2014 So there was an Alicorn Tribe? I guess 'Alicorns' were born then, rather than being 'made' like Twilight and Cadance. Makes me wonder if there are any Alicorns that Celestia doesn't know about, maybe magically hibernating or something from the time when the Alicorn Tribe existed. Does this mean that before the period depicted in 'Hearths Warming Eve' there was a period that included an Alicorn tribe that ruled over the other tribes, and I wonder what happened to make the Alicorns (Except Luna and Celestia) disappear. I'm hoping for some history lore in season 5! You really need to get that book. It actually connects Hearths Warming Eve with the Princesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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