Why does it seem Bronies are so against change in the show?

[Tilt 286]

What I mean by this is whenever a new toyline or character is introduced such as a new power or pony growing wings or even the introduction of a new alicorn. Bronies seem to collectively run around on fire screaming 'its over /ragequit fandom' It's like they've never watched a TV series before in their lives.

 

I would love to see them watch Venture Brothers all the way through, the amount that show evolves and changes shows exactly why change is good cause it keeps the show lively, None of the additions really phased me apart from Alicorn Twilight but that was more of a case of when it happened rather than why for me. I saw it as inevitable.

 

So why is it that the slightest change tends to cause chain reactions of hatred and panic in the MLP:FiM community

 

P.S don't say it doesn't happen because it happens all the time and then it passes and people then accept it.

[True Rarity 1,240]

You know, now that I think about it, you are really right. We do seem to complain a lot, don't we? I guess we're so opposed to change because we're stubborn and we liked the "good old days" when FiM was a cute, simple, and great cartoon back in season one.

[Tilt 286]

You know, now that I think about it, you are really right. We do seem to complain a lot, don't we? I guess we're so opposed to change because we're stubborn and we liked the "good old days" when FiM was a cute, simple, and great cartoon back in season one.

In my honest opinion though, Season one was a good starting point but it was just that, a starting point. A lot of the episodes in Season 1 I could pass on seeing again not because they were bad but because they were kind of meh to me and I entered the fandom at Season 1, What I originally loved about the show was how it challenged the conceptions of a franchise that was meant for little girls but make it enjoyable for all ages and genders and it passed the test, it made me rather nostalgic for the cartoons I grew up with. Season 2 then took what it had and made it even better! How did they make it better? They added new characters and dynamics. The changelings. Revealing Twilight had a brother. Even showing that Celestia wasn't an OP Mary-sue that could just save the day. 

Edited January 28, 2015 by Tilt

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Because if there's one thing I know about the internet, it's that people freak out to any small changes made.

 

I remember when it was announced that Twilight would become an alicorn, and everyone flipped out claiming the show "ruined" before the episode even aired.

 

They then make up ridiculous claims like, "This change was made to sell toys. Hasbro is EVILLLLL!" When really, the show itself was made to sell toys. It has always been from the beginning. Heck, most cartoons from the 80s were made to sell toys.

 

Sometimes people try way too hard to hate a change. Twilight's new castle? That got a petition. Essentially, the people who signed that wanted DHX to retcon any form of development just so they can see Twilight in that precious library.That's actually worse story telling than any criticisms I've seen tackled at a typical episode.

[Brock Obama 298]

You know, now that I think about it, you are really right. We do seem to complain a lot, don't we? I guess we're so opposed to change because we're stubborn and we liked the "good old days" when FiM was a cute, simple, and great cartoon back in season one.

FIM still is cute simple [Fairly] and fun. Edited January 28, 2015 by Dexter Luna

[Leonard Smix 421]

We dont want it to change, yet it does anyway, we act like it doesnt, and still not want it to change.

 

It changes and we don't even know it, and thats a good thing or else we'd be in a world of complaining.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Trust me; it's not just bronies. It's a bi-product of fandoms in general.

 

I've been apart various fandoms through the years: NASCAR, Formula 1, Spyro the Dragon, Atari, IndyCar, Battlestar Galactica, etc.

 

One thing that is largely shared through all these fandoms is resistance to change or evolution. When it comes to rules changes in racing or a new evolution of a beloved show, there is almost always going to be a fight back.

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Here, this video sums it up perfectly

 

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

 

The problem is, humans are creatures of habit. Everything that seems new to them, looks kind of scary. It's a problem of human history and it's a problem of all fandoms. We don't care if it's good or bad, we are just afraid because it's different.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Hypnosparkle

[Tilt 286]

Here, this video sums it up perfectly

 

 

 

 

The problem is, humans are creatures of habit. Everything that seems new to them, looks kind of scary. It's a problem of human history and it's a problem of all fandoms. We don't care if it's good or bad, we are just afraid because it's new.

Pfft, both of those made me laugh, but it assumes that every human fears change when you use that logic, I welcome change does that make me less human? GASP I'M AN ALIEN I MUST INFORM NASA AT ONCE.

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

Pfft, both of those made me laugh, but it assumes that every human fears change when you use that logic, I welcome change does that make me less human? GASP I'M AN ALIEN I MUST INFORM NASA AT ONCE.

 

Maybe i should've quoted differently, but i would say that it's the general consious, that humans don't want anything to change. My mom is still using her old cellphone from 2006, because she dosen't likes touchscreens and that She's too scared to use them.

[baba_booey 4,303]

It's not just bronies though! People in general are pretty much just..

 

Edited January 28, 2015 by Miles Tails Prower

[Dark Qiviut 22,500]

Seeing as you posted a strawman, I shall respond.

 

One big peeve I have from many corners of this fandom is the "you're afraid of change" strawman. It's not about the change, but the quality of the change thereof. How the change was executed. If the change is a good change, then it's fine. If it's a bad change, then people have every reason to complain or criticize.

 

People complained of the Twilicorn because it was a poorly executed change. A change that was executed far too quickly, retconned the cutie mark as predestined instead of something they're innate, and the implications. If this change was well executed, then there wouldn't have been complaints even to this day.

 

People complained about Equestria Girls because the concept was DOA. A world of clichés that do nothing to break up with Sunset Shimmer being a stereotypical villain and Flash a stereotypical good guy with Twilight only getting a crush on him 'cause he looked hot.

 

People praised the ending of Lesson Zero because it was a well-executed change. One of the bigger problems of season one was how Twilight was often shoehorned just so she could narrate the lesson. Having the other characters write the friendship report fixed the problem. And it helped when Lesson Zero and Sisterhooves Social are so well-done and easily two of the ten best in the show.

 

People praised Luna Eclipsed because it was an improvement. Luna had a fuller character dynamic and became even more relatable than during season one.

 

People complained about Twilight's new castle because it's not that aesthetically pleasing. The Library really works for Twilight because it's quirky, homey, and organic. Visually, it's Twilight in essence. Tirek blowing it up is bold and really pushed forward the fantastic battle scene, forcing her to face Tirek and battle. The castle, however, is really jagged on the outside (sticking out aplenty in the organically shaped buildings of Ponyville) and looks really dark on the inside. And the inside feels gloomy and cold.

 

People complained about Discord turning good in Keep Calm and Flutter On for nearly the same reasons as MMC: a contrivedly fast pacing with unfortunate implications in the moral. Conversely, many praised Discord's true change in Twilight's Kingdom because it took its time, Discord made a huge mistake, and he paid the price. It makes more sense given the context.

 

Many people accepted Maud because it was definitely something new; for the most part, it was done well. Maud's a pretty memorable character and a great candidate for so much analysis. She and Pinkie definitely had a great relationship, and they care for each other. Not to mention, Maud was foreshadowed early in Pinkie Pride through the photo hanging on the wall (and PiP is a fantastic episode, too).

 

People praised the evolution of both Dash and Scootaloo in Sleepless in Ponyville because it was something that was a long time coming, and done really well. Scootaloo idolized Dash and really emulated her despite being herself. She grew, and the moment between them is extremely sweet and relatable.

 

And speaking of Scootaloo, people praised the evolution of her possibly being disabled in Flight to the Finish because it was really well-done. It was an idea Faust thought of only to not be used. Valentine et al. used that long-time idea and went with it. The moral itself is amazing, and the episode itself is really well-done. They addressed her possibility of not being able to fly tactfully.

 

The CMCs' characterization in Twilight Time is a change embraced. Because Apple Bloom, Sweetie Belle, and Scootaloo look up to Applejack, Rarity, and Dash respectively, someday they were going to emulate them someway. Polsky merged them very subtly, thus keeping their personalities intact and not making it contrived. The same goes with Twilight eating sloppily in the fast food joint: praised for developing into being more relaxed yet remaining adorkable.

 

To get more people to accept the changes, DHX and Hasbro need to execute the changes well. They've done it, but they have a spotty record. They need to do better.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Old King Q

[Unicorncob 5,720]

Well that's the thing about fandoms; they complain when nothing is changed because 'they're not trying anything new' and they complain when something new is added because 'it doesn't feel the same'

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I honestly think people tend to exaggerate the fandom's tendency to overdramatize things . Sure, there will be a chunk of vocal opponents to anything big that happens, but once the episode/movie/whatever airs, it'll turn out that an incredibly vast majority has no problem with any of it and business will resume as usual. People loved Twilicorn after it became a thing, and many were adamant that people should at least give Equestria Girls a chance. And as for Twilight and her tree, that can't have lasted more than a few weeks or so.

 

Sure people will bitch, but if you gather together a group of people who want to make fictional mediums enormous parts of their lives, it's inevitable that some of them will find stuff to argue about. Same holds true with Pokemon, Avatar and most anything else you can think of, and I don't think it's a bad thing. It just means people come from different places and appreciate things for different reasons.

 

Speaking as someone who still hasn't "grown up" and learned to like the wings and castle, I can assure you that I'm one of very few . And most of us keep quiet, firstly because arguing is pointless, and secondly because we know our opinions often aren't welcome.

[Dulset Tarn 441]

I'll be the first to say it (even though, at the moment, I'm not).

 

Twilight becoming an alicorn could have been handled well.

Twilight being a princess could have been handled well.

Equestria Girls didn't have to suck.

Flash Sentry didn't need to be cardboard.

Twilight's "relationship" toward him didn't have to be paper thin.

 

Nothing HAS to be awful. But when it is, it will be criticized, harshly. People who like things will look for any excuse to project irrational biases onto those who disagree with them.

I mean, my biggest problem about season 4 was that it did absolutely nothing with the whole Princess Twilight business. Sticking to the status quo is ok. Changing things can be good or bad depending on execution. But pretending things have changed while nothing actually has is the worst thing a writer can do.

[EquestriaGuy 1,074]

 

My all time favorite reaction to a certain change.

[Megas 27,897]

Probably because it's pretty risky, not every change they've done was well executed(though imo, a lot of things fans lambasted weren't that bad)

[cuteycindyhoney 13,320]

My own thought is that Bronies don't like change in MLP:FIM because they're afraid they'll stop liking the show if something is different about it. The great Twilicorn shit storm event seems to support that theory. Personally, I loved Twilight becoming a princess. 

[NotoriousSMALL 1,984]

It's not that it's bronies, but human nature. We kind of resist change (obviously situationally)

 

aka dont fix what ain't broken

[Sunny Shimmer 259]

When you love something that much then you make the time.  

 

Well when they make a crappy toyline then I get a tad disappointed but they have to mess up how they look for that to happen. I was never against change in the show as long as they stay away from G3 and G3.5 quality.

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

People tend to oppose change no matter what. People generally fear the unknown, cling to the familiar, and push back against new ideas. This is why Galileo was executed by the Catholic church.

 

What also amuses me is that people also complain when things don't change. People complain about other media being too similar with each subsequent release, and it just... it makes me chuckle, y'know?

 

Whether MLP changes or remains the same, I'll still like it anyway.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Admiral Regulus

[Tilt 286]

Perhaps I should rephrase the question. It's usually when the change is announced early before the episodes have even aired. stuff like Alicorn Twilight, Cadences and Shining Armours Wedding, Equestria Girls and even Rainbow Power.

 

No when the episodes air that change something that isn't announced no-body really reacts like in a panicked state.

 

I am not trying to attack anybody Dulset and I apologize if it seems that way.

 

I'll give a prime example of the first time this happened, that being a Canterlot Wedding.

 

The changes before the episode was announced were Cadence being an Alicorn and introduced and also introducing the fact that Twilight Sparkle had a brother via Shining Armor.

 

Now when these things were revealed they were receiving nothing but hate. ANOTHER ALICURN JEEBUS!? WHY HADN'T WE HEARD ABOUT A BROTHER BEFORE ZOMGBBQ! and etc

 

But when the episode aired bronies quickly changed their tune actually liking the new editions and accepting them especially with the new villain Chrysalis (Which I hope they do more with.)

 

Inevitably the same thing happened with Alicorn Twilight with all the rage and panick but in season 4 nobody is raging and have again just accepted it.

 

The question more stems of why do people hate on something that hasn't be even aired yet and have no idea whether or not it will be any good.

 

Even Equestria Girls has been accepted with the addition of Rainbow Rocks. 

[Cleverclover 1,526]

While I will admit that some people do exaggerate with their reactions towards change, not everyone who expresses dissent for change should be condemned for it. Honestly, why shouldn't people be skeptical about a change in the status quo? It has every bit of chance to be a good change as it does to be a bad one. Why isn't a little hate warranted? Why isn't a little panic warranted? Who's to say that it won't be the moment where the show stops being the show that they loved? 

 

After Twilight's ascension, there was a ton of "I'm perfectly fine with Twilight being a princess, and to hell with everyone who isn't" sentiment in the air. It really showed me that in general, dissenting opinions in this fandom are discouraged, and that, to me, is bullshit. And it's particularly ironic considering that the very concept of Equestria Girls was almost universally panned by the fandom, and now look where we are. Everyone loves it now. I'd definitely be willing to bet that many of those same people who condemned all of the anti-Twilicorn people for not liking change also condemned Equestria Girls as well, only to later fall in love with it. 

 

This topic really annoys me simply because it seems like an attempt to condemn and silence those who question change. Please stop acting high and mighty just because you're in support of Hasbro's latest marketing-related change to the show. And hell, this is coming from someone who actually liked Magical Mystery Cure. (However, I hate what Twilight has become since.) 

[Tilt 286]

While I will admit that some people do exaggerate with their reactions towards change, not everyone who expresses dissent for change should be condemned for it. Honestly, why shouldn't people be skeptical about a change in the status quo? It has every bit of chance to be a good change as it does to be a bad one. Why isn't a little hate warranted? Why isn't a little panic warranted? Who's to say that it won't be the moment where the show stops being the show that they loved? 

 

After Twilight's ascension, there was a ton of "I'm perfectly fine with Twilight being a princess, and to hell with everyone who isn't" sentiment in the air. It really showed me that in general, dissenting opinions in this fandom are discouraged, and that, to me, is bullshit. And it's particularly ironic considering that the very concept of Equestria Girls was almost universally panned by the fandom, and now look where we are. Everyone loves it now. I'd definitely be willing to bet that many of those same people who condemned all of the anti-Twilicorn people for not liking change also condemned Equestria Girls as well, only to later fall in love with it. 

 

This topic really annoys me simply because it seems like an attempt to condemn and silence those who question change. Please stop acting high and mighty just because you're in support of Hasbro's latest marketing-related change to the show. And hell, this is coming from someone who actually liked Magical Mystery Cure. (However, I hate what Twilight has become since.) 

 

Okay, no this isn't me condemning and silencing it, Nor is it about people who question change, I question the changes too but this is about the people who seem to flip out about every each update on a new addition to the show. Please stop trying to turn this into a hate thread.