general media Copying is not theft

[Trine 665]

They do have good points.

 

If i for example heard an idea, and stole it and used it for my advantage. Then that would be stealing.

However.. if i share the idea from that person with others, then thats not stealing, its sharing.

 

So thats actually true. Sharing information and ideas is a good thing.

 

Edited April 29, 2015 by Trine

[LordSwinton 759]

What about plagiarism? Isn't it a crime?

[The Crimson Cross 7,532]

I think we tend to mimic people even at a subconscious level. Imitation is the highest form of flattery some say, after all! :grin2:

 

Of course, there are exceptions as to when it's appropriate to copy something. I agree, using someone's ideas to your advantage and claiming it as your own is fairly sketchy though.

When it comes to ideas and artworks of various kinds, creators do like their ideas to be shared but not copied!

[Sommar 1,289]

What about plagiarism? Isn't it a crime?

Plagiarism is indeed a crime. It's copying someone else's work. Let's say I had an essay about the history of Oreos. If I did the research and gave credit to the source(s) I got the information from, then that doesn't count as plagiarism. But if I took information from the source but didn't give credit to the source, then that is plagiarism. It's also plagiarism if I went and used someone else's work and claimed it was mine (taking someone else's essay about the history of Oreo's and slap my name at the top).

 

You are right in saying sharing is not a bad thing. I share videos to my friends all the time; there is no harm in doing so. But if I said "this video belongs to me" when it was actually made by a different person, then I'm crossing the line. Your topic reminds me of the "DrawPonies" scandal. The artist claimed all of his art pieces were "original" when in reality much of the ponies' poses were taken from the actual show. That right there is plagiarism.

[Trine 665]

Plagiarism is indeed a crime. It's copying someone else's work. Let's say I had an essay about the history of Oreos. If I did the research and gave credit to the source(s) I got the information from, then that doesn't count as plagiarism. But if I took information from the source but didn't give credit to the source, then that is plagiarism. It's also plagiarism if I went and used someone else's work and claimed it was mine (taking someone else's essay about the history of Oreo's and slap my name at the top).

 

You are right in saying sharing is not a bad thing. I share videos to my friends all the time; there is no harm in doing so. But if I said "this video belongs to me" when it was actually made by a different person, then I'm crossing the line. Your topic reminds me of the "DrawPonies" scandal. The artist claimed all of his art pieces were "original" when in reality much of the ponies' poses were taken from the actual show. That right there is plagiarism.

Well that's bad, to claim someone's idea as your own. That's not cool at all. One has to try and be original when they make stuff themself. I mean it would honestly be boring really, i mean who would be ok with making something that wasn't crafted from its own hand. Only con people i feel would be ok with it.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Trine

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If i for example heard an idea, and stole it and used it for my advantage. Then that would be stealing.

 

Ideas are not property. Copying an idea is not stealing, even if the copied idea is used to one's advantage.

[Pat.Rio.T. 305]

Copying something like a DVD would be depriving the company that made them, of money they should have earned if you payed for your own. Albeit, if we had a way to copying absolutely everything with ease then there would be no need for money.

[Trine 665]

Imagine if individuals just made a "Non copyright revolution" and got a law that means companies can have their own company without infringing copyright law when they produce stuff. Imagine that ^^.

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

What about plagiarism? Isn't it a crime?

They have a video about that too.

 

[Brony Number 42 10,074]

It's a propaganda video. I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but it is propaganda. They compare stealing vs copying, but you can't copy physical objects. You have to build them. I wish I could put a sandwich on a copier and make more. So they confuse the issue of stealing physical property with stealing or using ideas.

 

I'm not an expert, but one reason our cultures have been so successful is that patents protect people's ideas. I have no reason to invent if someone else can steal that idea. Companies strive to innovate and make new products because they are motivated by money, and that's a good thing. Patents typically expire after 20 years. China copies technology from western companies. I don't think this is good for innovation.

 

It's an interesting question and I'm not an absolutist. I filed a patent for something but it never got picked up so my provisional patent expired. I hoped someone would buy it and I would make money. But I would never have tried if there was no motivation for money. I challenge you to come up with an idea, try to make money on it, and then tell me you are against patents

[Trine 665]

Also found some interesting stuff from 2001. I am sorta glad we live in a more informated generation, before we had to sorta depend on TV and newspaper to get news and views on issues. Now one can share more critical and intellectual to anyone with internet access, and share ideas and information and even content. I think that's a good thing in my view.

 

Edit: Wow i didn't know this guy was in Nirvana and now Foo Fighters. That song Rope is awesome by them i think.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Trine

[Grepper 3,193]

I heard this song years ago.

This video was made by people who believe that copyright should be entirely abolished.

http://questioncopyright.org/minute_memes/copying_is_not_theft

I don't think that's a reasonable solution.

They believe that it should be legal to sell someone else's work without being required to get their permission, i.e. paying them. This would dramatically reduce the amount of creative works made because it would be much harder to make a living from making them.

I believe that copyright should not be abolished, but its length should be dramatically reduced. It has been extended to nearly one hundred years because companies like Disney have lobbied for an extension of the term of copyright every time the copyright of the first appearance of Mickey Mouse, Steamboat Willie, is about to expire. That's so corrupt it makes me sick.

Copyright (and patents) exist primarily to benefit the public. Its purpose is to "promote the Progress of Science and the useful Arts," as Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution puts it. The temporary monopoly granted by the government encourages people to make new works, which in turn benefits the public. Copyrights that are extremely long end up getting in the way of others' freedom to redistribute and modify the work.

I mostly agree with Richard Stallman on this issue.
https://gnu.org/philosophy/misinterpreting-copyright.html

Edited April 29, 2015 by MysteriousGrepper

[gone~ 614]

I'm not an expert, but one reason our cultures have been so successful is that patents protect people's ideas. I have no reason to invent if someone else can steal that idea. Companies strive to innovate and make new products because they are motivated by money, and that's a good thing.

 

They believe that it should be legal to sell someone else's work without being required to get their permission, i.e. paying them. This would dramatically reduce the amount of creative works made because it would be much harder to make a living from making them.

 

There are plenty of ways to make money off of an idea without having the government enforce a monopoly for you. Also, patents cost a lot of money to maintain and enforce, and the rules behind them are complex and convoluted.

 

From the website of Stephan Kinsella, intellectual property lawyer and author of Against Intellectual Property:

Examples of Ways Content Creators Can Profit Without Intellectual Property

Innovations that Thrive without IP

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I'm so going to share this with my friends who say I copy jokes and that is theft >

[KeithDJohnson 40]

In response to the video, "Dave Grohl Great Speech on Music Downloading":

I rather buy the cd package over downloading it from youtube or some torrent download. Why do it any way else? You're wasting time to go find it, download it, then you have to insert song names, artist, and album. Then your left with distorted music, and you don't have the album cover and a nice graphic audio cd. I don't consider it theft especially if the composer chose to give it away, but you're getting something considerably less than the original recorded sound unless you downloaded a large file in flac or wav format assuming the uploader knew how to do it properly. Don't get me wrong, mp3 isn't that bad, barely noticeable.

 

I remember grabbing so many songs off Mediafire it's not even funny. However, this can't be done anymore, go figure. After a few months, I deleted every song I ever downloaded. Such waisted time, for me that is. Now all I do is insert a cd into a computer. Boom, all the song names, artist, and album are automatically filled, and I get to choose the speed and file type it gets recorded. I use ogg format. Sometimes flac, depends how much I listen to the album. Welp, that's why I and many others choose to buy music by compact disc over anything else. Old vinyls are great listening too. Actually live concerts are the best.

 

 

 

I challenge you to come up with an idea, try to make money on it, and then tell me you are against patents

I have quite a few prototypes. The last thing I'll do is share it with someone without a patent. Even my own parents. Prototypes are expensive. One, in particular, I have worked days on, invested into tools, and tons trial and error in building it. Now I need to create some molds and a website for it. I regret sharing the idea with someone. That is one of the biggest risk in sharing is that someone might try to take it then make a patent on your idea, especially if they know you lack money and resources to get it done. So to eliminate this risk, get a patent or do everything yourself.

[Gildarts 54]

It's still bad even if it isn't theft. How many people would make games if people would just copy them without paying? And how good would the games be if they were free?

[gone~ 614]

How many people would make games if people would just copy them without paying? And how good would the games be if they were free?

 

A lot of people already make games for free, and some of them are pretty good. Also, it's absolutely possible to still make money off of games even if people could just "copy them without paying."