Do People Hate Twilight Sparkle?

[Zyfer 21]

I like Twilight.

 

I honestly don't see how alicorn Twilight differs from Unicorn Twilight. She gets wings which she barely uses. I think they played a minor role once to transition from places in a hurry during 1 episode and thats it. Since her wings don't really come into play much you can just mentally replace wings with no wings or vice versa. If I remember she might have used her wings during the battle with Tirek at the end of Season 4 but even then you could copy and replace the wings citing over abundance of magic and that she was using magic all the time.

 

With that in mind I'd really like to see an episode with Twilight and more books :>

Possible future problem/episode:  Twilight runs out of books to read and has to go on an epic book hunt over all of Equestia. Also with new Castle (this being the thing I don't like since I think living in a giant tree library was cool) Twilight has more and more room for books. I would imagine a lot of people kind of don't really like the castle but as in Castle Sweet Castle we need more episodes featuring the castle as a place. I'd actually wish the design was a bit different tho so it could fit in with the rest of Ponyville. Seems like it came from Crystal Empire.

 

As for reckless magic use... umm Element of Magic, unicorn/alicorn, gifted student with lots of books and probably some that's considered forbidden or extremely limited. Eventually the student will want to try out some of these. Least she hasn't tried casting any Megaspells leading to Fallout Equestia or some other Equestia Apocalyse.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

Hate Twilight? No I couldn't possibly hate one of the Mane 6.  Is she my least favorite of the Mane 6 though? To that I'd have to say yes. And mostly because of the role she now plays in the series more so than her actual character.  Basically IMO her princesshood has robbed her of her more negative traits, like her sarcasm and skepticism.  Sure she's still nerdy and dorky and what have you, but her edge has disappeared to me.  For instance I could not image Twilight getting flustered the way she did in Applebuck Season now.  Sure you get a little bit of that in Three's A Crowd and Testing Testing 1 2 3, but she always is in the right or know how to correct herself.  Basically her ascension as removed the possibly for Twilight to learn lessons or be in the wrong, for the most part, which makes her a far less interesting character and less relatable, at least to me anyways. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

She's closer to perfection now than she has ever been. What little mistakes she does make are typically minor enough that she doesn't get called out for them. The mane five certainly haven't seen anywhere near the amount of "character growth" that Twilight apparently received the moment she was made an alicorn. 

Well, the main character of the show is naturally gonna have the most development, development that has occurred over the entire series and not just season four. Speaking of which, one of Twilight's greatest moments of being smacked down to earth was in post-Alicorn season 4. In Testing Testing 1, 2, 3, half of the episode was dedicated to smacking Twilight down to earth and making her realize that the methods that work best for her aren't always best for everyone else; that's a great lesson in humility that she freely admitted to learning. Just because every episode doesn't feature everyone ganging up on Twilight over every little flaw she has doesn't mean she doesn't have them and doesn't learn from them.

 

 Well, I think it's next to impossible to not see how superior she looks when compared to the mane five. After all, she's not the one who spends the season learning from her (non-existent) mistakes, and instead she's the one who gets to have the "epic" laser battles while the mane five simply sit helplessly on the sidelines.

Really? Because even though it wasn't explicitly said like it was for the others, Twilight earned her key just the same way as the others. The stipulation is that the others gained their keys by having trouble adhering to their Element of Harmony, but embraced it through catharsis and inspiring someone else to do the same, receiving a meaningful gift from said someone that would later become their key. Twilight's Element in this case was Friendship. She had trouble adhering to Friendship as Celestia forbade her from telling her friends about her collective of Alicorn magic. After she gave up her Alicorn magic to Tirek, she embraced and reaffirmed her Friendship and inspired Discord to do the same, receiving a meaningful gift from him that became her key. She followed the exact same paradigm as the others, but it took a backseat because dealing with Tirek was the main story.

 

And don't forget, it was an "epic", two-minute laser battle that culminated to absolutely nothing in the end, she still not only needed her friends, but wanted her friends by her side as they defeated Tirek. It's not like she spent 22 minutes in a grand laser battle, it's not DBZ.

 

 Also, it's not necessarily a conspiracy. It's simply a natural progression which followed making Twilight an alicorn princess. Hasbro also wanted to make her the most appealing character on the show by making her appear better than her friends in every conceivable way.

Why? Why would they focus on only one pony? Hasbro's entire MO is to make money through the sale of toys. If they really played an executive role in Twilight's "perfection", then why not make the others Princesses as well? They would be able to make a lot more money by selling sets of them as Princesses and them individually than they would with just Twilight. It's just counterproductive to profit.

 

We all know that Twilicorn was a complete executive decision in order to put out more toys. But let's say that it is indeed Hasbro's endgame to make Twilight everyone's best pony and that they succeeded in this venture. They would be axing out five other major sources of profit in order to put all their eggs in one basket. It's like if Hasbro completely got rid of Transformers, Littlest Petshop, Pound Puppies, etc. in order to solely focus on My Little Pony. It makes no sense from a business standpoint, in fact it's not only counterproductive but potentially terminal to sales to do so. In essence, Hasbro is a company that's been around for many, many years and it does not fit with them to be making such an amateur mistake such as that.

Edited May 7, 2015 by Prince Firemane

[Bendy 1,821]

Hey, I love Twilight. She's even cuter with wings. 

 

I would totally be her Human Anon HIE. XD

Edited May 7, 2015 by Bendy

[Justin_Case001 4,892]

Some do.  I certainly don't.  I love her to pieces.  A lot of people seem to hate the fact that she gets a bit more screen time and is arguable a bit more important than the others.  Just want to point out, she has been the leader of the group and the main character since day 1, and I don't see anything wrong with that.  They do a really good job of balancing and not making it the Twilight Sparkle Show, imo.  She's not even in every episode, and in many others, she just has cameos.

 

On a related note, is Twilight Sparkle pancake?

Absolutely.  Without a doubt.

[Brandonvortex 8]

what!? who would in the right mind hate Princess Twilight Sparkle!

 

the only time when twilight become a alicorn princess that really went balistic as people around the end of season 3 hated alicorn twilight. Thankfully that was forgotten however.

 

im not sure why people hate her, but i got the feeling whenever twilight manage to achived something with her friends at the end of season 4 that really make some majority of fans hated her more and more. while some of us like myself love twilight sparkle even she's a princess

[Mesme Rize 15,683]

Just recently found a comment on Youtube, not even a week old. The comment stated.

 

"Twilight Sparkle lost her character traits and adorkableness, when she became a princess."

 

....

 

 

 

Seriously, do these Princess Twilight critics still even watch the show, or do they just say this to spite us? I don't get it.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Speaking of which, one of Twilight's greatest moments of being smacked down to earth was in post-Alicorn season 4.

 

Testing, Testing, 1,2,3, is an episode that I've always cited as an exception to the trend. I honestly don't know how it managed to slip through the cracks, but given that the lesson Twilight learns is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and given that Twilight was not the only who had made a mistake, I guess they kinda just let it go. She still doesn't come off looking any worse than her friends. 

 

 

 

Really? Because even though it wasn't explicitly said like it was for the others, Twilight earned her key just the same way as the others.

 

 

The fact that she never failed, nor learned from any mistake indicates otherwise. And that was something which was pretty much established as a requirement from the very beginning. Twilight not telling her friends about her power was Celestia's dumb decision, not hers. 

 

Remember the rainbow flash that occurred in each of the mane six's eyes shortly before they received their key? It occurred at pretty much the exact moment the mane five realized the mistake they had made. For Twilight, it only happened after she made the decision to give up her power. In no way did she make any mistake, nor fail in any way in her own key episode. Except, of course, giving up her power with no backup plan in mind, but naturally, the plot was far too much on her side for that to be the disastrous error that it should have been.  

 

You're right about her battle, though. It culminated to nothing and it honestly had no reason whatsoever to even exist, except for two reasons. One for fan pandering, and the other for painting Twilight as being the sole hero of all ponykind, while her friends are casually forced to the sidelines relying on her to save them. 

 

 

 

Why? Why would they focus on only one pony? Hasbro's entire MO is to make money through the sale of toys. If they really played an executive role in Twilight's "perfection", then why not make the others Princesses as well? They would be able to make a lot more money by selling sets of them as Princesses and them individually than they would with just Twilight. It's just counterproductive to profit.

 

Probably because Hasbro figured that making their entire main selection of characters alicorn princesses would not only lessen the uniqueness between them, but would also make the "princess" title seem like it amounts to nothing. Surely, you wouldn't also expect the mane five to receive their own individual castle playsets, would you? 

 

This is exactly why I say that there's no need to worry about the mane five becoming alicorns as well. It's never going to happen. Because they're not "destined to win" like Twilight is. As far as the corporate side is concerned, everything Twilight receives, she pretty much only receives on the merit of being Twilight. It's simply the writers' job to make these accomplishments seem well-deserved. 

 

 

 

 "Twilight Sparkle lost her character traits and adorkableness, when she became a princess." 

 

At the very least, they're far less common than they used to be.

[Mesme Rize 15,683]

Testing, Testing, 1,2,3, is an episode that I've always cited as an exception to the trend. I honestly don't know how it managed to slip through the cracks, but given that the lesson Twilight learns is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and given that Twilight was not the only who had made a mistake, I guess they kinda just let it go. She still doesn't come off looking any worse than her friends. 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that she never failed, nor learned from any mistake indicates otherwise. And that was something which was pretty much established as a requirement from the very beginning. Twilight not telling her friends about her power was Celestia's dumb decision, not hers. 

 

Remember the rainbow flash that occurred in each of the mane six's eyes shortly before they received their key? It occurred at pretty much the exact moment the mane five realized the mistake they had made. For Twilight, it only happened after she made the decision to give up her power. In no way did she make any mistake, nor fail in any way in her own key episode. Except, of course, giving up her power with no backup plan in mind, but naturally, the plot was far too much on her side for that to be the disastrous error that it should have been.  

 

You're right about her battle, though. It culminated to nothing and it honestly had no reason whatsoever to even exist, except for two reasons. One for fan pandering, and the other for painting Twilight as being the sole hero of all ponykind, while her friends are casually forced to the sidelines relying on her to save them. 

 

 

 

 

Probably because Hasbro figured that making their entire main selection of characters alicorn princesses would not only lessen the uniqueness between them, but would also make the "princess" title seem like it amounts to nothing. Surely, you wouldn't also expect the mane five to receive their own individual castle playsets, would you? 

 

This is exactly why I say that there's no need to worry about the mane five becoming alicorns as well. It's never going to happen. Because they're not "destined to win" like Twilight is. As far as the corporate side is concerned, everything Twilight receives, she pretty much only receives on the merit of being Twilight. It's simply the writers' job to make these accomplishments seem well-deserved. 

 

 

 

 

At the very least, they're far less common than they used to be.

 

Clever we get it, you don't like her. You've pretty much beaten us over the head with this for months now.

 

It's like you have a personal vendetta against this fictional character, eventhough she has nothing done to you.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

It's like you have a personal vendetta against this fictional character, eventhough she has nothing done to you.

 

It's not so much that I hate her as it is I hate who she has become (as well as the corporate decisions responsible). There was once a time when episodes actually called her out for the mistakes she made, and she learned from them, and there was also once a time when she was not made to look significantly superior to her friends whenever possible. I simply no longer find her to be a relatable or even enjoyable character. 

[Mesme Rize 15,683]

It's not so much that I hate her as it is I hate who she has become (as well as the corporate decisions responsible). There was once a time when episodes actually called her out for the mistakes she made, and she learned from them, and there was also once a time when she was not made to look significantly superior to her friends whenever possible. I simply no longer find her to be a relatable or even enjoyable character. 

 

Like i said, you beat it to death. I saw this post of yours, in 100 different variations. It's nice that you have your opinion. But you shouldn't beat it over our heads.

 

This is not me being angry at you for not liking Twilight, it's me being a bit tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

Like i said, you beat it to death. I saw this post of yours, in 100 different variations. It's nice that you have your opinion. But you shouldn't beat it over our heads.

 

This is not me being angry at you for not liking Twilight, it's me being a bit tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.

 

Fair enough. I'm not changing any opinions anyway. But I'm certainly not expecting this to get any better, and I wouldn't be too surprised if more people felt the way I do by the end of this season.

[Prince Firemane 309]

Testing, Testing, 1,2,3, is an episode that I've always cited as an exception to the trend. I honestly don't know how it managed to slip through the cracks, but given that the lesson Twilight learns is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and given that Twilight was not the only who had made a mistake, I guess they kinda just let it go. She still doesn't come off looking any worse than her friends. 

So, what's an appropriate lesson for her then? Does she have to mess up so badly that she gets one her friends killed and that everyone else constantly beats over her head about what an awful pony she is? I get where you're coming from and she could stand being called out more, but at the same time so could everypony else. Just because she gets it the least doesn't mean that she's a bad character.

 

 

 

The fact that she never failed, nor learned from any mistake indicates otherwise. And that was something which was pretty much established as a requirement from the very beginning. Twilight not telling her friends about her power was Celestia's dumb decision, not hers. 

 

Remember the rainbow flash that occurred in each of the mane six's eyes shortly before they received their key? It occurred at pretty much the exact moment the mane five realized the mistake they had made. For Twilight, it only happened after she made the decision to give up her power. In no way did she make any mistake, nor fail in any way in her own key episode. Except, of course, giving up her power with no backup plan in mind, but naturally, the plot was far too much on her side for that to be the disastrous error that it should have been. 

Just because it was Celestia's decision doesn't mean she had to follow it. The Crystal Empire proved that one as much. She failed to protect her friends, exactly what Celestia's decision was meant to do. It followed an interesting bookend situation that in Princess Twilight Sparkle, it was outright stated that her friends are lost without her. Here in Twilight's Kingdom, she was outright shown to be completely useless without them. She had the power of four Alicorns on her side, she was the closest thing to a true goddess this show ever had. But even then, all that power didn't mean a damn thing, it was only when she realized that she made the mistake of acting alone did she get her key.

 

 

 

The fact that she never failed, nor learned from any mistake indicates otherwise. And that was something which was pretty much established as a requirement from the very beginning. Twilight not telling her friends about her power was Celestia's dumb decision, not hers. 

 

Remember the rainbow flash that occurred in each of the mane six's eyes shortly before they received their key? It occurred at pretty much the exact moment the mane five realized the mistake they had made. For Twilight, it only happened after she made the decision to give up her power. In no way did she make any mistake, nor fail in any way in her own key episode. Except, of course, giving up her power with no backup plan in mind, but naturally, the plot was far too much on her side for that to be the disastrous error that it should have been.  

 

You're right about her battle, though. It culminated to nothing and it honestly had no reason whatsoever to even exist, except for two reasons. One for fan pandering, and the other for painting Twilight as being the sole hero of all ponykind, while her friends are casually forced to the sidelines relying on her to save them. 

Oh, you're absolutely right; that fight was hands-down fan pandering. But how could it be intended for Twilight to be the sole hero when she ultimately failed to defeat Tirek alone? But I also agree with you on the others being damsels in distress in those episodes, I didn't like that. I believe that scene was there to show that even if Twilight had all the power in the world on her side, she still needs her friends, that the friendship between the six of them is that will prevail in the end. Friendship is magic, after all and it's a friendship that all six of them play equal part in.

 

Probably because Hasbro figured that making their entire main selection of characters alicorn princesses would not only lessen the uniqueness between them, but would also make the "princess" title seem like it amounts to nothing. Surely, you wouldn't also expect the mane five to receive their own individual castle playsets, would you? 

 

This is exactly why I say that there's no need to worry about the mane five becoming alicorns as well. It's never going to happen. Because they're not "destined to win" like Twilight is. As far as the corporate side is concerned, everything Twilight receives, she pretty much only receives on the merit of being Twilight. It's simply the writers' job to make these accomplishments seem well-deserved. 

Well, yeah, I was making an extremist argument to get my point across. Why would they choose to glorify only one pony on the level that you accuse them of? You're essentially accusing them of nearly going as far as writing out the other characters all together in favor of Twilight. This brings me to a point that's been popping into my mind. We know that Twilight has never been your favorite and that she's only been soured in your eyes. But I have to ask, would you be as militant if it was your favorite character getting more attention instead of Twilight?

Edited May 7, 2015 by Prince Firemane

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Hate Twilight? No I couldn't possibly hate one of the Mane 6.  Is she my least favorite of the Mane 6 though? To that I'd have to say yes. And mostly because of the role she now plays in the series more so than her actual character.  Basically IMO her princesshood has robbed her of her more negative traits, like her sarcasm and skepticism.  Sure she's still nerdy and dorky and what have you, but her edge has disappeared to me.  For instance I could not image Twilight getting flustered the way she did in Applebuck Season now.  Sure you get a little bit of that in Three's A Crowd and Testing Testing 1 2 3, but she always is in the right or know how to correct herself.  Basically her ascension as removed the possibly for Twilight to learn lessons or be in the wrong, for the most part, which makes her a far less interesting character and less relatable, at least to me anyways. 

But I liked sarcastic Twilight. ): Her sarcasm was humorous, especially coming from her, because she was the Princess' protoge, and you wouldn't think a Canterlot pony  groomed by the princess would have those traits. But Twilight did, and it made her likeable for me, personally.

what!? who would in the right mind hate Princess Twilight Sparkle!

 

the only time when twilight become a alicorn princess that really went balistic as people around the end of season 3 hated alicorn twilight. Thankfully that was forgotten however.

 

im not sure why people hate her, but i got the feeling whenever twilight manage to achived something with her friends at the end of season 4 that really make some majority of fans hated her more and more. while some of us like myself love twilight sparkle even she's a princess

have you not read the comments here? People provide legit reasons for hating 9or greatly disliking Twilight) Before, and after she became an alicorn princess. To imply that someone is out of their mind to have negative feelings for her is dismissive, rude, and insulting, quite frankly. If you like her, that's all well and good, but don't put yourself on a pedestal and put people down for expressing dislike over a fictional character.

[Dynamo Pad 11,345]

I don't think I could ever hate Twilight. She was a good character one, but to me she felt like a generic main protagonist. To me it felt that there was not a lot to delve into her character as she tried to help with situations from others instead of going through the problem herself. In season 2 I truly liked how she truly became a character. Episodes like "Lesson Zero" and "It's About Time" showed Twilight in her element and how she would probably act in every day life in Ponyville. When she became a princess at the end of season 3 I was completely okay with that and was all for it. Although I felt that they didn't give Twilight much development as her status as a princess in season 4, I felt that it was a good step in the right direction. It helped to show that even if she is a princess she will always be Twilight through and through. I hope they give more development to her as a princess and as herself as a character in the upcoming episodes of season 5. 

Edited May 7, 2015 by Kyubiki Tenchu

[Xenomorphic 362]

Shes my leasy favorite but I don't hate her

[Shanks 10,816]

I am sure there are people that do hate her but I am not exactly one of them. I have criticized twilicorn harshly in the past because of how poorly it was handled with it being arbitrarily shoe horned into a rushed season 3 finale that made zero sense and made a complete and total mockery of a great character but hating a direction a character is taking and hating a character are two very different things. One thing I noticed during the height of the twilicorn controversy is that the loudest voices on both sides were both Twilight Sparkle fans. I eventually became neutral on the matter and am still in wait and see mode but unless Twilight become a Mary Sue like I feared she would which though she does get a bit closer to that than she should at times than I probably will not start disliking her. She currently stands as being tie with Rainbow Dash and Luna as my 2nd favorite pony.

[Singe 2,111]

I did like Twilight the best during Season 1 and Season 2 when she was rougher around the edges as a character.

 

If Twilight wasn't the main character, she would be spouting random facts from time to time and probably experimenting with/on her friends.

[IJoinedForPonies 126]

I love Twilight! She hasn't really changed, just her appearance and title.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Why would they choose to glorify only one pony on the level that you accuse them of?

 

Because that pony happens to be the largely universal favorite for just about everyone. McCarthy and most of the show staff, Hasbro themselves, the bronies, and the pre-teen girls whom they market her to. 

 

Besides, wasn't the act of making Twilight a princess alone glorifying her over her friends? They might not write the mane five out of the show in favor of Twilight, but they sure as hell will depower them, reduce them to uselessness, and require them to be saved by her. 

 

 

 

We know that Twilight has never been your favorite and that she's only been soured in your eyes. But I have to ask, would you be as militant if it was your favorite character getting more attention instead of Twilight?

 

No, Twilight was never my favorite, but I did like her quite a lot in the first three seasons. However, I can say with absolute certainty that had she been my favorite, I would still feel the exact same way. Only I would probably be a lot more irritated about it. 

 

I've always hated perfect characters in any fictional medium. Take superheroes, for example. They have abilities far beyond anything that we could possibly relate to as humans, but that doesn't mean that they can't be made relatable. They can be given personal problems and dilemmas, and they can also have moments where they simply fail. Things like that allow their stories to become more engaging, because though we expect them to win against the villain, we can at least expect that everything won't always go as planned.  

 

However, I absolutely detest characters who are adept at overcoming just about any obstacle with general ease, whilst also showing next to no character flaws and making no mistakes or errors themselves. And that just about describes Twilight now to a T. I still have to ask where the hell idea of Twilight "having all the answers" came from in Rainbow Rocks, because she most certainly could not have been described that way in the first three seasons. It simply exists as an acknowledgement of how perfect the writers have made her since season 4. 

[Celli 4,338]

Oh, look, it's one of these threads again. Didn't the last, I dunno, dozen, threads attract negative reactions and stuff? 

"Why is X hated?"

"Does anybody else hate X"\

They're nothing but trouble.

[Mesme Rize 15,683]

Oh, look, it's one of these threads again. Didn't the last, I dunno, dozen, threads attract negative reactions and stuff? 

"Why is X hated?"

"Does anybody else hate X"\

They're nothing but trouble.

 

I guess some people have to get rid of their negative emotions somewhere.

 

I think they should just....

 

https://youtu.be/moSFlvxnbgk?t=60

 

Please don't kill me, this is the first time i reference this.

[Prince Firemane 309]

Besides, wasn't the act of making Twilight a princess alone glorifying her over her friends? They might not write the mane five out of the show in favor of Twilight, but they sure as hell will depower them, reduce them to uselessness, and require them to be saved by her. 

That's natural story progression. While the actual decision to make Twilight an Alicorn probably came from Hasbro to sell toys, it was completely foreshadowed even in season one. Celestia outright stated that she sent Twilight to Ponyville to find the Elements of Harmony because she knew that Twilight would embody the Element of Magic, so that they could free Luna from Nightmare Moon. While The Crystal Empire episodes reinforce this, I concede that they were probably written with the specific intent for making Twilight an Alicorn for Hasbro. But that doesn't change the fact that right from the very beginning, Twilight was meant for much more than being a regular Unicorn.

 

 

However, I absolutely detest characters who are adept at overcoming just about any obstacle with general ease, whilst also showing next to no character flaws and making no mistakes or errors themselves. And that just about describes Twilight now to a T. I still have to ask where the hell idea of Twilight "having all the answers" came from in Rainbow Rocks, because she most certainly could not have been described that way in the first three seasons. It simply exists as an acknowledgement of how perfect the writers have made her since season 4.

Uh, right from the beginning, Twilight could've easily been described by others as "having all the answers". I speak from personal experience, I know exactly what that's like because like Twilight, I'm a savant for mostly useless information. When you can churn out random bits of information, you will be seen as having all the answers. But it wasn't without merit, Twilight has shown herself to be exceptionally knowledgeable and capable of problem-solving. She easily understood the function of a device that's meant to be an MRI machine and a brainwave reader. She's able to prattle off the square root of multi-digit numbers. She's able to comprehend and build a device that harnesses the forces of formally theoretical inter-dimensional quantum physics. Twilight Sparkle is, and always has been a fucking genius.

[Guest]

How can you dislike Twiley? She is smart, funny and sweet so I mean what's not to like? 

 

 

 

 

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[long gone 8,929]

Oh, this thread...

 

Some people just really need to learn how to do this: