If you developed a guilty conscious with MLP characters and symbolism

[Steel Accord 6,660]

okay that maybe didnt sound how i meant

 

i mean like the way he's calling out certain beleifs as bad everyone is entitled to their own beleifs and should not be descriminated

 

In that, we are complete agreement. One's actions are how they are defined. Whether you wear a Cross, a Star of David, an "Om", a Kirpan, a Totem, or nothing, no one should be called a servant of evil by the colors they fly.

[Phosphorous 136]

Dont judge a book by its cover. BTW, guess what else the six pointed star is on? The Chicago Flag, among many other things. Its just a shape. You wouldnt stoping being friends with someone who happened to wear symbols that you overthought, would you?

 

I always saw Twilight as having a star of David on her rump. I thought it was a reference to Lauren Faust, who is Jewish.

[Tesla 167]

In that, we are complete agreement. One's actions are how they are defined. Whether you wear a Cross, a Star of David, an "Om", a Kirpan, a Totem, or nothing, no one should be called a servant of evil by the colors they fly.

exactly !!! thanks nice to know someone agrees

[ManaMinori 4,145]

If that's the case, then I apologise for the presumption.

But it's still hypocritical that you support Pokemon, but find error in a couple of 'subliminal messages' in MLP. Unless you can find evidence that shows either you don't support Pokemon(which isn't possible as you've already stated how you enjoy it), or that the evidence I've proposed is in some manner false(which, again, I'm sure it isn't as it was taken directly from the best source of Pokemon information), then I'll still have to presume you're only looking at the parts you want to see and making an issue where there isn't one.

I'm not looking at only the parts I want to see- I were, then the same could be said for MLP, and by your own reasoning, I wouldn't have any issue with Sunbutt or Twilchemy, Tirek, or even Starlight Glimmer. Same for Pokemon. I'd have DP in my collection if I were looking only at what I wanted to see. But if something bothes my conscious, which I deem most important, I won't have it in my posession, or under my roof. I've been playing Pokemon since 98, and it has yet to bother my conscious, save for DP, which, again, I don’t own, nor have I ever played, nor do I like or own an Arceus.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I always saw Twilight as having a star of David on her rump. I thought it was a reference to Lauren Faust, who is Jewish.

 

Huh, actually, I'd totally buy that. I always thought she looked like a Nice Jewish Unicorn. 

exactly !!! thanks nice to know someone agrees

 

MANY in this fandom would agree, my lady. "Love and tolerate" after all. I would in particular on this topic though. Syncretism FTW!

Edited July 23, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Unikitty 1,212]

I'm not looking at only the parts I want to see- I were, then the same could be said for MLP, and by your own reasoning, I wouldn't have any issue with Sunbutt or Twilchemy, Tirek, or even Starlight Glimmer. Same for Pokemon. I'd have DP in my collection if I were looking only at what I wanted to see. But if something bothes my conscious, which I deem most important, I won't have it in my posession, or under my roof. I've been playing Pokemon since 98, and it has yet to bother my conscious, save for DP, which, again, I don’t own, nor have I ever played, nor do I like or own an Arceus.

That's completely opposite to what I was saying. The fact that you like a show about magic, unicorns, and other aspects that would be considered occult, shows that you do only look at what you want to. Same thing with Pokemon. The fact that you've omitted DPPt because of Arceus and co. shows that you are only picking and choosing things. This is evident despite the fact that you're clearly fine with the other iterations, as evident by the fact that you own them, play them, and even say you're fine with them.

Rayquaza has influences from another god. Ho-Oh and Lugia both have influences from other deities. By ignoring them you are being hypocritical and you are only seeing 'evil' where you want to see it. There's no twisting around this.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

That's completely opposite to what I was saying. The fact that you like a show about magic, unicorns, and other aspects that would be considered occult, shows that you do only look at what you want to. Same thing with Pokemon. The fact that you've omitted DPPt because of Arceus and co. shows that you are only picking and choosing things. This is evident despite the fact that you're clearly fine with the other iterations, as evident by the fact that you own them, play them, and even say you're fine with them.

Rayquaza has influences from another god. Ho-Oh and Lugia both have influences from other deities. By ignoring them you are being hypocritical and you are only seeing 'evil' where you want to see it. There's no twisting around this.

 

I agree Unikitty, but there's no need to relentlessly hammer the point home. Not to say you are being unreasonable or an agitator, just a friendly reminder that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

[Unikitty 1,212]

I agree Unikitty, but there's no need to relentlessly hammer the point home. Not to say you are being unreasonable or an agitator, just a friendly reminder that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

 

The problem is that they're adamantly defending a complete fallacy of a claim. It's simple math. You can't say you dislike Arceus and co because they're based off gods, but then say every other Pokemon is fine. Just as you can't dislike one or two aspects of MLP FiM when the while thing is basically a magical fever dream. This is blatant picking and choosing, and makes everything they've said about feeling 'unsettled' completely invalid. It's just nonsense.

And again, this isn't me hating on a person's beliefs because they disagree with mine. This is me pointing out direct lack of consistency and logic with hard evidence.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Unikitty

[Steel Accord 6,660]

The problem is that they're adamantly defending a complete fallacy of a claim. It's simple math. You can't say you dislike Arceus and co because they're based off gods, but then say every other Pokemon is fine. Just as you can't dislike one or two aspects of MLP FiM when the whle thing is basically a magical fever dream. This is blatant picking and choosing, and makes everything they've said about feeling 'unsettled' completely invalid. It's just nonsense.

And again, this isn't me hating on a person's beliefs because they disagree with mine. This is me pointing out direct lack of consistency and logic with hard evidence.

 

As I said, "discretion is the better part of valor." Sometimes one has to let sleeping dogs lie.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

That's completely opposite to what I was saying. The fact that you like a show about magic, unicorns, and other aspects that would be considered occult, shows that you do only look at what you want to. Same thing with Pokemon. The fact that you've omitted DPPt because of Arceus and co. shows that you are only picking and choosing things. This is evident despite the fact that you're clearly fine with the other iterations, as evident by the fact that you own them, play them, and even say you're fine with them.

Rayquaza has influences from another god. Ho-Oh and Lugia both have influences from other deities. By ignoring them you are being hypocritical and you are only seeing 'evil' where you want to see it. There's no twisting around this.

beleive what you want. If that's what you feel, that's what you feel

just let me thank you, again, for assuming that I was only seeing the influence of a deity on Arceus and not the other legendaries. Thank you for once again making the assumption in another post, without giving the sufficient time for proper research on my part. Thank you. I can see now that I'm not allowed to have my own reasons for disliking a handful of characters in MLP, no matter how "otrageous"or "seemingly hypocritical" those reasons are, to others.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

beleive what you want. If that's what you feel, that's what you feel

just let me thank you, again, for assuming that I was only seeing the influence of a deity on Arceus and not the other legendaries. Thank you for once again making the assumption in another post, without giving the sufficient time for proper research on my part. Thank you. I can see now that I'm not allowed to have my own reasons for disliking a handful of characters in MLP, no matter how "otrageous"or "seemingly hypocritical" those reasons are, to others.

 

At the same time that they shouldn't assume, one should also not use the term "thank you" in such a backhanded manner.

 

I apply the same advice to Unikitty to you. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

[Unikitty 1,212]

beleive what you want. If that's what you feel, that's what you feel

just let me thank you, again, for assuming that I was only seeing the influence of a deity on Arceus and not the other legendaries. Thank you for once again making the assumption in another post, without giving the sufficient time for proper research on my part. Thank you. I can see now that I'm not allowed to have my own reasons for disliking a handful of characters in MLP, no matter how "otrageous"or "seemingly hypocritical" those reasons are, to others.

 

I'm not trying to put you down by these, and I'm not trying to make any mockery of your beliefs. I've just yet to see any form of logical explanation for your claims. Rather than wasting time, telling me how I'm jumping the gun and not giving you a chance to respond, you do this 'proper research' you've brought to the table, so that I can have a reason not to think what I think. Considering I haven't even looked at this forum for 20 odd minutes, surely there'd been something-even a shred-that you'd have figured by then.

Unless, of course, there is no clear conclusion you can find, and you're just trying to attempt some form of strawman fallacy. But hey, that's just my presumption.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

@@Nightmare Muffin,My problem, once again, is you are hating a character for something they cant control. Its like you would hate me for something i was born with.

[Freewave 1,145]

Hahaha no i don't see evil symbolism being used by Hasbro in Twilight or Celestia. And if Lyra and Bob Bon came out as officially gay I wouldn't suddenly hate their characters either. That said if someone wants to breathe a whole lot of outside influences into what is still an innocent kids show and some people stop buying merchandise then who's to stop them from doing so, People can be really silly about this show sometimes. 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

lots of pagan and Masonic symbolism, like Sunbutt's eye being drawn clearly to look like the eye of Horus, or the fact that She always has one of her eyes Covered as a masonic/ Luciferian symbol, her owning a pet phoenix, which smbolizes rebirth, a symbol also used by the occult cults, Twilight's 6 pointed star cutie mark representing a hexagram/ Marian star- magic- aka, alchemy, which has historical ties with Freemasonry and Luciferian occult, and the fact that she has an owl as a peet, symbolizing Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, and enlightenment. Not to mention that owls are symbolic in pagan worship, and mock human sacrifices. (Like what goes on at Bohemian Grove, amongst the world elite- the "enlightened ones" who view themselves as the rulers of the planet)

 

www.illuminatirex.com/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-symbols-bohemian-grove-moloch.jpg

 

Oh this is one of those illuminati things. Take those things with a grain of salt, the illuminati conspiracy theorists come in two categories

1. Trolls

2. Deranged 

 

Those symbols have been around much MUCH longer than anything involving freemasons or satanists or even Christianity. They are references to MLP's deep roots in mythology, which they make no attempt to hide. Having something reference mythology doesn't make it part of a mind control conspiracy. The "illuminati" do not have a patent on triangles, or anchient symbols, or eyes, or anything because they only exist in the minds of people who bother to believe they are real. 

 

Twilight and Celestia are not bad, they are cartoon characters. 

[Justin_Case001 4,903]

I really think you're making a big deal over nothing, Nightmare Muffin.  FIM does not contain intentional, sinister religious symbolism.  Anything you find is just a coincidence.  Furthermore, I think it's pretty unfortunate that you'd let this ruin these characters for you.

Edited July 24, 2015 by Justin_Case001

[cider float 2,538]

OMG ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta6Pffs7wFU

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU

 

If you take the F in Friendship, the U in Underpants, the C in Celestia and the K in King Sombra that spells.... I got nothing. ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!!!!!!!1111111

 

 

Sapphires Shores and Rarity Illuminati confirmed.

 

Where's the next secret meeting at in the volcano base or under the White House?

 

 

OMG SECRET HAND SIGNALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111

 

They're making friends with Discord, a supposedly mischievous demonic being with horns and goat face... THEYRE MAKING FRIENDZ WITH THE DEVIL

 

Fluttershy symbolizes the Sin of Wrath

 

I just killed this thread.

Edited July 24, 2015 by cider float

[ManaMinori 4,145]

I'm not trying to put you down by these, and I'm not trying to make any mockery of your beliefs. I've just yet to see any form of logical explanation for your claims. Rather than wasting time, telling me how I'm jumping the gun and not giving you a chance to respond, you do this 'proper research' you've brought to the table, so that I can have a reason not to think what I think. Considering I haven't even looked at this forum for 20 odd minutes, surely there'd been something-even a shred-that you'd have figured by then.

Unless, of course, there is no clear conclusion you can find, and you're just trying to attempt some form of strawman fallacy. But hey, that's just my presumption.

your unpleasant, haughty and presuming attitude really doesn't make me even want to reply to you. I don't know what world you live in, but research involves MUCH more than "follow the links I have, and beleive what I say, in 20 minutes or less". As I said before, I was overwhelmed with trying to get a reply to everyone, and frustrated at other. I got off the internet to cool down. Made a meal, took a shower, took a nap. Forgive me, your highness, if my reply to you isn't instantaneous, but reference through SEVERAL different sources, and weighing my conscious afterward takes longer than you care for.

 

Now, I'm still on Ho-o, if you demand progress. You either wait till I thouroughly research the entirety of the legends you listed, and weigh my conscious on them, in order to give you a proper reply to that post, or leave now, if you're so damn impatient, and convinced that you're right, without waiting for a proper response, because I'm not going to waste time arguing with you

[Jeric 46,856]

Locking for clean up.