searching Bangcolt Arena! (Fighting/Sol) -OOC- (Never closed)

[Not Yellow Diamond 925]

To sum up the last six weeks...

 

If you're fighting a princess and you're winning. You're doing it wrong, or you're OP and unrealistic. G'day m8s

Edited June 7, 2016 by Robin Hood

[P-Jay 1,987]

To sum up the last six weeks...

 

If you're fighting a princess and you're winning. You're doing it wrong, or you're OP and unrealistic. G'day m8s

#YouDon'tWinAgainstThePrincesses

 

#YouJustGetALittleBetterEveryTime

[Not Yellow Diamond 925]

#YouDon'tWinAgainstThePrincesses   #YouJustGetALittleBetterEveryTime

 

Precisely. Luckily for us though, that hasn't been happening here...

 

...

 

Nope...

 

Not at all...

 

Hey look! It's a wild lion. Oh--nevermind the dentist shot it. I'm going to have to file a lot of paper work for this one... 

Edited June 7, 2016 by Robin Hood

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@Robin Hood, 

 

But I have a reason to be OP.  

 

I have a headcanon.

[Jack Baker 698]

I hope mine will end in a tie.

 

That'd be nice...

[J.R. 3,183]

I hope mine will end in a tie.

 

That'd be nice...

 

​STAY DETERMINED.......

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@Fractured, 

 

Since I'm fighting Celestia, if she ever uses her unnatural powers, I would like to know about it.  Copper might be able to handle it, given his defense is about the same as hers.

[P-Jay 1,987]

*is just sitting here wondering how someone with 'some' alicorn essence inside him can even begin to match up against an elder Alicorn thats been training for millennia, and to top it off, can use the sun's power to multiply her natural power*

 

call me a buzzkill, but Copper by no means should be as powerful. XD

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

Try to train at the most intense level you can imagine for months after learning how to transform at will with everything, from fighting with your fore-hooves, to magic, to swords.  And to top it off, he can improve and grow in natural fighting, like he did against Luna.  

[P-Jay 1,987]

Try to train at the most intense level you can imagine for months after learning how to transform at will with everything, from fighting with your fore-hooves, to magic, to swords.  And to top it off, he can improve and grow in natural fighting, like he did against Luna.  

 

See, thing is, my OC Caliber is a lot like that. He trains under x7+ gravity all day, spends over half every day sparring with 2.0 until its just plain unhealthy, working around the clock to improve his spells, swordplay, and most of all, the will to go on once he's been cornered. 

 

He's a very adaptable pony, in combat, commonly thinking of outside-the-box methods of fighting, and demonstrating odd ways to fight, in the past. 

 

He fought Celestia, once. He pushed her into her true form, and lost in promptly seven seconds flat. Not counting the time he spent trying to stand up, due to the overwhelming amount of pressure in the air.

 

He's a powerful OC in his own right.

 

...

 

But you know what the difference between him and Copper, and by extension, me and you is?

 

 

You roleplay to win. I roleplay to write.

 In case that was too vague, I'm basically saying 'try to be realistic about your OC's limitations, and don't write for the sole sake of challenging the strongest.' Write to make an epic story, rather then...Whatever you've been doing.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2016 by P-Jay

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

I "roleplay to win?"

 

I think I see where you're going.

 

 

 

HOWEVER...

 

I did show the limitations of Copper's Super state.  Well, not all of it, but I'm pretty sure the obvious limits are there.  He doesn't have strong magic skills, other than what he knows, which fits his adaptation of fighting with his hooves.  His super form ALONE is a weakness, to which, as you saw, if the time runs out, he has veins threatening to come out of his body.  On top of ALL THAT, though, is what Luna did when Copper lost.  She healed him, which, and Copper doesn't know it yet, allows him to use 50% more power than what he's used to at the same amount of time.

[P-Jay 1,987]

I "roleplay to win?"

 

I think I see where you're going.

 

 

 

HOWEVER...

 

I did show the limitations of Copper's Super state.  Well, not all of it, but I'm pretty sure the obvious limits are there.  He doesn't have strong magic skills, other than what he knows, which fits his adaptation of fighting with his hooves.  His super form ALONE is a weakness, to which, as you saw, if the time runs out, he has veins threatening to come out of his body.  On top of ALL THAT, though, is what Luna did when Copper lost.  She healed him, which, and Copper doesn't know it yet, allows him to use 50% more power than what he's used to at the same amount of time.

 

I agree that Copper's super-form is a powerful tool to use in battle, and isn't easily defeated...

 

However...

 

Keep in mind what Copper's alicorn-form is supposed to stimulate the power of an alicorn, no?

 

...

 

Lets look at this analytically, yes?

 

Copper:

>Has been training intensely for years, oh wait...What's that? *Looks up*

 

Try to train at the most intense level you can imagine for months

 

>Check that...months.

>Has a form to mimic an alicorn's power, to likely increase his power by several-fold. Grants flight, magic, and earth-pony-level strength.

>Has some past in fighting.

 

This is the limit of Copper's power. Which, while it may be enough to fight fairly against Celestia or Luna's base forms...When they activate their true forms, is where this starts to blur.

 

Celestia is, who I would like to refer to as, an 'Elder Alicorn.' Meaning, even by Alicorn standards, she is rather powerful, due to her connection with the sun...Of course, we've never even seen another Alicorn fight, with the exception of Celestia vs. Nightmare Moon, which in turn is excepted, due to the fact Celestia used the Elements of Harmony to banish her.

 

This is what we know of Celestia:

 

>Over a thousand years old, possibly over two thousand. At least a quarter of which has been spent training. This results in at the very least, 250-500 years of honing her power, and sharpening her skills. (Making her hundreds of times more skilled then Copper, in terms of...Well, everything.)

>As an Alicorn that has lived with her power for millennia, she is far more capable of managing said power, as well, increasing her ability to maintain it. (Making her superior to Copper in terms of being able to continuously output power.)

>As an Alicorn that has a connection to the sun, and probably improved on said connection for centuries, she has learned how to harness it's power, for her 'unnatural form.' Which at the very least, multiplies her power by two. (Meaning, even if Copper's alicorn form were to somehow propel him to on par with Celestia's true form, even though Celestia has had centuries more training then the former, then Celestia's unnatural form would be all but basically leagues above anything Copper can put out.)

>Experience in tactics, strategy, and warfare. Because what kind of ruler doesn't at least read 'The Art of War'?

 

But I don't know if you can still understand this, so, seeing as Copper's super-form was...Probably inspired by a certain anime character, I'll put it in terms you can understand.

 

Copper = Teen Gohan, right after learning how to go Super Saiyan.

Celestia = Goku, who can already transcend to Super Saiyan 2 at this point.

 

By all means.

 

Copper isn't supposed to be able to be on par with Celestia. Maybe keep up with her true form, for a time. But not be able to keep up with her unnatural form.

 

Then again.

 

What do I know.

 

I'm jus' some rookie roleplayer. 

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

The super form came a little over a year ago in the RP timeline, so he had a time before learning to transform at will.  Besides, months of the most intense training for Copper can equal about 3 years worth.

 

And are you seriously talking smack with me on his power?  I might pull a Gohan and make him go beyond a super pony now, maybe a super pony 2.  

 

I kid, I kid.

[P-Jay 1,987]

The super form came a little over a year ago in the RP timeline, so he had a time before learning to transform at will.  Besides, months of the most intense training for Copper can equal about 3 years worth.

 

And are you seriously talking smack with me on his power?  I might pull a Gohan and make him go beyond a super pony now, maybe a super pony 2.  

 

I kid, I kid.

even if you did, that form would be unstable due to not knowing how to properly control it; you'd still lose. 

 

but in all honesty, if he got the form a year ago, even if a year is equal to three year's worth training time...

 

Celestia's still kinda got 100+ years of solid training on him. + sun buff. XD im not talkin' smack....jus' speakin' the truth. 

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

I see.  I guess we'll find out how this goes between experience from centuries and experience on the fly.  Copper doesn't give up until he knows he had enough, and even then, he might push himself a bit.

[P-Jay 1,987]

I see.  I guess we'll find out how this goes between experience from centuries and experience on the fly.  Copper doesn't give up until he knows he had enough, and even then, he might push himself a bit.

all im saying is, know when your oc is gonna lose, y'know? 

 

*casts side-glance at Manikin Mask*

 

...because not everyone can see when its time to say 'okay my oc lost'.

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

Copper knew when to give up when his super form ran out against Luna...

 

Don't that count?

[P-Jay 1,987]

oh, i didnt read that.

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

He might not give up so easily against Celestia, though.  

[P-Jay 1,987]

@Amorphous

As Dust fled the stands, she would feel as if she were being watched...

 

Should she take note of her surroundings, she would see a cloaked pony, following her every movement, with unnerving attention...

just ah, putting this out there

He might not give up so easily against Celestia, though.  

 

see, thats the thing though.

 

it doesnt matter if he's determined to win, and not back down.

 

if you're weaker then someone, you're weaker then someone. XD nothing changes that, once you're in the ring with that person.

[DwhitetheGamer 867]

@@P-Jay, 

 

I think we should stop, now.  The outcome of the fight will determine everything.

[J.R. 3,183]

Agreed. Let the fights determine who wins and not the OOC. Thanks.

[Jack Baker 698]

all im saying is, know when your oc is gonna lose, y'know?

 

*casts side-glance at Manikin Mask*

 

...because not everyone can see when its time to say 'okay my oc lost'.

What? I do what I want.

 

Besides, Luna won; no harm in dragging crap out, especially when you come up with new ideas on the fly that you can't hold back on trying out.

 

That's the thing about Raze as well, a sort of hubris, if you will: sometimes, especially if he really wants it, he doesn't know when to quit.

Edited June 9, 2016 by The Sad Manikin Mask

[P-Jay 1,987]

eh? oh, you have a different problem entirely. XD

[Jack Baker 698]

And what might that be?