Which character had the worst reformation

[KatonRyu 1,033]

Been hearing Starlight Glimmer a lot, I would say her reformation is not that different to Sunset Shimmer, but as a villain she was at least a bit amusing, her backstory is what sucked real hard but in terms of reformation it sucked as much as Sunset Shimmer. Sunset Shimmer on the other hand... she sucked as a villain and her reformation made no sense as well.

 

Well, the reason I consider Starlight to be worse than Sunset is exactly because Sunset sucked as a villain. It seems par for the course that a crappy villain has a crappy reformation in a movie that is okay at best. Starlight on the other hand was a real letdown because she was a well-handled villain up until that point. The disappointment I felt there gave her the win.

[cider float 2,537]

Well, the reason I consider Starlight to be worse than Sunset is exactly because Sunset sucked as a villain. It seems par for the course that a crappy villain has a crappy reformation in a movie that is okay at best. Starlight on the other hand was a real letdown because she was a well-handled villain up until that point. The disappointment I felt there gave her the win.

So you're saying she's okay as a hero. For me she sucked as a villain, on the process of reformation and a hero the character basically doing nothing for me.

[KatonRyu 1,033]

So you're saying she's okay as a hero. For me she sucked as a villain, on the process of reformation and a hero the character basically doing nothing for me.

 

I do consider her to be a good character now, yes. She's even one of my favorite characters now. I liked the way she was portrayed in RR, and the continuation of her development in FG. The reformation itself was a joke, but to me the first EQG was a joke in its entirety, whereas RR and FG were pretty good.

 

Again, my expectations made all the difference in determining the worst reformation. In EQG I had none left by the end of the movie because of its mediocrity, but I was really looking forward to Starlight's background. The weakness of that scene was an actual disappointment and because of that I consider it the worst.

[cider float 2,537]

I do consider her to be a good character now, yes. She's even one of my favorite characters now. I liked the way she was portrayed in RR, and the continuation of her development in FG. The reformation itself was a joke, but to me the first EQG was a joke in its entirety, whereas RR and FG were pretty good.

 

Again, my expectations made all the difference in determining the worst reformation. In EQG I had none left by the end of the movie because of its mediocrity, but I was really looking forward to Starlight's background. The weakness of that scene was an actual disappointment and because of that I consider it the worst.

The thing about Sunset Shimmer becoming Super Sunset Shimmer and then beating Midnight Twilight than Midnight Twilight becoming friends doesn't that remind you of something? That was the first Equestria Girls movie, Twilight comes to Equestria High she fights off Sunset Shimmer and then Sunset Shimmer becomes her friend. It's just deja vu all over again leaving a bad taste in the mind because it's just recycling itself.

Edited February 9, 2016 by cider float

[KatonRyu 1,033]

The thing about Sunset Shimmer becoming Super Sunset Shimmer and then beating Midnight Twilight than Midnight Twilight becoming friends doesn't that remind you of something? That was the first Equestria Girls movie, Twilight comes to Equestria High she fights off Sunset Shimmer and then Sunset Shimmer becomes her friend. It's just deja vu all over again leaving a bad taste in the mind because it's just recycling itself.

 

It does, but the reason I liked that scene is more because of its symbolism than anything else. I like that it mirrors the first one because the mirror theme is very much recurring in the EQG franchise (an RR example being the Cafetaria Song in EQG promoting unity, and Let's Have A Battle creating discord). In that scene Sunset's design bothers me a lot more than the callback to EQG would, because I think the mirroring works well.

[cider float 2,537]

It does, but the reason I liked that scene is more because of its symbolism than anything else. I like that it mirrors the first one because the mirror theme is very much recurring in the EQG franchise (an RR example being the Cafetaria Song in EQG promoting unity, and Let's Have A Battle creating discord). In that scene Sunset's design bothers me a lot more than the callback to EQG would, because I think the mirroring works well.

The thing is I had more fun watching Equestria Girls 2's ending battle, because the thing is the ending is what I looked forward to most of the time in EG movies but seeing how EG 3 ends like EG 1 somewhat was just one big disappointment. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by cider float

[KatonRyu 1,033]

The thing is I had more fun watching Equestria Girls 2's ending battle, because the thing is the ending is what I looked forward to most of the time in EG movies but seeing how EG 3 ends like EG 1 somewhat was just one big disappointment. 

 

I can imagine that, yes. RR remains my favorite of the EQG movies in part thanks to the ending battle, and I do hope the fourth one will have something climactic like it.

[SilverStarApple 849]

That equality pony, what was her name? Starlight glimmer? She was a terrible antagonist and a terrible pony. She deserved life in Tartarus or worse, not reformation and a full pardon. Is this how the Equestrian justice system works? Do whatever you want, get "Reformed", and move on with your life like jnothing ever happened?!

[cider float 2,537]

That equality pony, what was her name? Starlight glimmer? She was a terrible antagonist and a terrible pony. She deserved life in Tartarus or worse, not reformation and a full pardon. Is this how the Equestrian justice system works? Do whatever you want, get "Reformed", and move on with your life like jnothing ever happened?!

Yeah Starlight's actions were far worst than Tirek she should be in prison getting her magic sucked out by Tirek for her whole life as punishment. Wait that didn't sound right.

[SilverStarApple 849]

Yeah Starlight's actions were far worst than Tirek she should be in prison getting her magic sucked out by Tirek for her whole life as punishment. Wait that didn't sound right.

I can't tell what you're trying to say with this post.

 

In any case, I personally see Starlight Glimmer as the worst villain. She had no excuse justifying who she was or what she did. One friend moving away turned her into pony hitler. She's a manipulative, evil, mentally deficient womanchild that Twilight should not have spared.

[Unikitty 1,212]

Worst reformation? King Sombra. I'm still waiting for him to un-vaporise.

[Shamira 13]

Worst reformation? King Sombra. I'm still waiting for him to un-vaporise.

I was waiting for someone to say that.

[WindShear 532]

I feel that Sunset Shimmer had the worst reformation. Being blasted into goodness by the elements of harmony does not make for a good reformation. Heck I'm not really sure that it can be counted as a reformation at all, as she wasn't reformed, her evil personality was just overwritten with a good one.

 

With Luna you can at least say that she may have been under the influence of dark magic and the elements dispelled that, but you can't even use that excuse with Sunset.

[Ruddboy Olaf 10,628]

Starlight Glimmer,no contest.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Going to have to give this to Starlight Glimmer. If she had ANY other backstory it would of been stronger, but her whole motivation could of been solved through sending a damn letter and going to visit once in a while. Honestly, I'd of rather she was just an unrepentant cult leader than what we got. I'm sure they can smooth out the landing and make Starlight a better character as time goes on, but that backstory was a real bad move on hasbro's fault. 

 

I think Josh Scorcher pointed was the one that pointed out that AppleBloom had the exact same thing happen between her and Twist and she didn't go and make a cult because of it....

 

...unless you count the Cutie Mark Crusaders as a cult....

 

...they are recruiting members n'stuff...

Applejack keep an eye on your sister...  

Edited February 9, 2016 by Buck Testa

[duidamasterXD 9,627]

I have a hard time separating Luna's and Sunset's reformations, as Sunset's was clearly written to mirror the one we observed in the pilot episodes. If anything, I give Sunset's props for having much better follow up. I'll take Rainbow Rocks and Friendship Games over Luna Eclipsed and DPDoMS? any day of the week.

 

 

 

Based on their overall reformations, I put Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon, just narrowly edging out Trixie. DT & SS were mostly one-note characters in all but one of their episodes ("Twilight Time" made them more fame-obsessed than outright bullies), and they didn't get a character arc until the absolute last episode. Diamond Tiara was given an even more one-note caricature for a mother to explain why she was a bully in order to shift responsibility from her as a character, and to this point neither she nor Silver Spoon have appeared in any subsequent episodes.

 

I am quite curious to see what they'll do with these two in future episodes, if anything. They were both extremely one-note before they became nice, so there's really not a whole lot of character for them to build off of. I suppose they could do a thing with DT trying to be a leader (since she does seem to have a thing for being in charge) without being a total megalomaniac, but I have a hunch that we won't be seeing much of either of them from now on.

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As for an answer to the thread's question, I thought Starlight's was weaksauce. It's not really inherently better or worse than Sunset's or Discord's were, initially, but I'll label it the worst by default until they manage to sell me on Starlight as a good guy.

[Starflite527 24]

Definitely Starlight, mostly because it was way too easy. For a pony who is willing to change the course of history to get back at Twilight, she abandoned her plans and settled into the "Friendship is Magic" business way too easily. Personally, I'm hoping she turns out to be more of a Discord-like character, having difficulty with friendship because she's so unfamiliar with it. Oooh, maybe they could be friends. I would definitely like to see that.

 

Also, in the Cutie Map, what was she trying to accomplish? She made it sound like she had some big master plan, but we never really found out about it. Did she just give that up too? Anyway, my point is, she gave up way too easily for a character with her level of power and manipulation.

[----- 477]

Starlight Glimmer had the worst reformation because it was just a song (so far). '-'

[SteveMorison 404]

Voted Sunset Shimmer because her initial reformation was terrible. Showed no sign of remorse previously and as soon as she is blasted by rainbows she turns on the puppydog tears and everyone seemingly forgives her (even if she was punished). The next 2 movies made up for it though.

[darkshy 68]

Starlight Glimmer; Again as, I already mentioned in a previous post, her back story is not at all convincing, just because she lost her friend at a young age she become some kind of psychotic jealous cutie mark stealer????

 

She doesn't even have a legitimate reason to be evil and what she did to her village was an unnecessary stretch over something so trivial,  she lost A friend wow.

She's a pony that shouldn't have even needed to be reformed because she isn't a convincing villain. 

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

I'm going to say Discord.  Why?  Because it feels like his reformation didn't exactly take.  Maybe just enough to make him comparatively less interesting and formidable, but not to the point where he wouldn't open up a portal to some creepy-ass puppet dimension with the intention of throwing a hippie into it.

[Grtxkkyz 388]

Sunset Shimmer, which fell rather rushed and merely made just to end the whole movie quicker. And Starlight's redemption as well, but hopefully we will get some more info regarding it in season 6.

[hollow-shades 129]

Starlight Glimmer. Manly with the ponies on her village. She has been manipulating them for YEARS and they accept her friendship in less than 1 minute.

 

Also, they really had to do some things testing out her loyalt.

[Stasis 39]

Starlight Glimmer if we're going by change of character is probably the most unrealistic up there with Shimmer honestly. She felt way too OOC in those minutes after the backstory and the worst part is it's not even entirely her fault. It's Twilight's with her completely unempathetic response to Starlight. This is way more painful because you can tell this redemption has shades of Moondancer and Twilight learned empathy in that episode but apparently just forgot it in The Cutie Remark.

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,695]

Starlight.

 

To quote myself from the episode thread: "If Starlight absolutely MUST be reformed, and the only one who can stop her is herself...at least have her do it with style."

 

Instead we just got a quick flashback, a Twilight speech, and an "oh, I guess she's right after all." What happened to that stubborn fanatic I both loved and feared? She was a fascinating villain in the premiere, but I guess lightning didn't strike twice.