What are your thoughts on the GOP/Trump's plans?

[Vulcan 3,255]

I know there are many threads out there that already judge Trump as a person...but this thread is about his policies and the plans that he actually intends to do as the next US president...

 

With the Republican party now controlling  the majority of the Legislative, the only big check that would balance the GoP agenda is the  Judiciary, Which means many of Trump's crazier ideas, provided that he modifies them to comply with the constitution, may actually happen.

 

So I'm curious as to how you think they will pan out?

Edited November 11, 2016 by Vulcan

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

Not sure about the GOP, but his plans sound dreadful. Sure, getting rid of Obamacare might be a good idea, though I don't think he has any idea for an alternative.

 

Some of his other plans: Getting rid of funding for climate change stuff because apparently global warming doesn't exist according to him, not allowing Syrian refugees to come here despite us supposedly being the 'land of the free' and us making everything worse where they live, he wants to increase military spending despite us already spending more money on our military than anyone else, and of course, there is his incredibly idiotic 'wall' idea.

 

And this is all within his first 100 days he said! Yet some people wonder why I am despising the fact that he won.

[Twiggy 2,967]

The wall will be good for both the US and Mexico. This, along with proposed legislation to lift the gun ban in Mexico, will be a death sentence for the Cartels.

 

NAFTA is in dire need of modernization.

 

I like his plan to remove state boundaries for purchasing health insurance. More competition between insurance companies will drive down prices, meaning more affordable healthcare for all.

 

Russia/America tag team ISIS beat down.

 

 

I'm loving it.

[N.W. 3,619]

Ditching all those climate change plans? One of the single most retarded things I have ever seen proposed by any politician.

You can create more jobs by enacting more green/environmentally friendly policies and plans, not to mention you're not outright going against the entire scientific community and you know, the Pope.

 

I can put up with some of his policy, but much is just... no. I am glad there will be less U.S. interference in Syria however.

[Castle Bleck 19,440]

The wall will be good for both the US and Mexico. This, along with proposed legislation to lift the gun ban in Mexico, will be a death sentence for the Cartels.

 

NAFTA is in dire need of modernization.

 

I like his plan to remove state boundaries for purchasing health insurance. More competition between insurance companies will drive down prices, meaning more affordable healthcare for all.

 

Russia/America tag team ISIS beat down.

 

 

I'm loving it.

 

If Nobama truly wanted to reform healthcare, then all he had to do was axe said state boundaries, not create some convoluted control scheme.

 

Ditching all those climate change plans? One of the single most retarded things I have ever seen proposed by any politician.

You can create more jobs by enacting more green/environmentally friendly policies and plans, not to mention you're not outright going against the entire scientific community and you know, the Pope. 

 

I can put up with just about every other policy, and I am glad there will be less U.S. interference in Syria now. 

 

While I don't believe in climate-change itself, I still believe that alternative-energy research is a very good idea.

[zerox 1,215]

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[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

Apparently, the Washington Post just released an article stating 6 things that could divide both the Republican Congress(Both House and Senate) and DOnald Trump. 

 

 

 

1. Free trade

Congressional Republicans have generally been very pro-free trade. They've actually been the driving force behind trying to get President Obama's Trans-Pacific Partnership passed; they provided 190 of the 218 votes last year to give Obama “fast-track” authority to negotiate trade deals in hopes of pushing along the TPP. Only 50 House Republicans voted against it.

But Trump has taken a decidedly anti-free trade — and anti-TPP — stance. His election has already led congressional leaders to admit TPP is likely dead, meaning that the clash probably won't happen in public.

But Trump has also said he wants to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) — a bill that passed in 1992 with more Republican support than Democratic support. He has the authority to do that — and polls show increasing opposition to these trade deals among Republicans — but it's something GOP leaders certainly won't like and could try to fight.

2. Immigration/deportation

This is another issue on which the GOP base is largely with Trump, but GOP leaders and many Republicans in Congress aren't. The fact is that Trump's varying proposals involving extensive deportation have great appeal among many Republican voters, but not among the broader public and not for a party concerned with appealing to Hispanics over the long term.

Support for extensive deportation is generally between 15 and 20 percent in polls, with about three-quarters wanting those who have been here for years to stay, and a majority wanting them to be given a path to citizenship. Support for Trump's border wall is significantly higher, but fiscally conservative Republicans in Congress would also have to find a way to put together the tens of billions of dollars that it would likely cost to build.

And there are still Republicans in Congress who would like to pursue comprehensive immigration reform, including Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.). Getting Trump to go along with that priority would be very tough, given his rhetoric on the campaign trail.

 

Trump said in his last book that U.S. infrastructure requires “a trillion-dollar rebuilding program.” He also said on the campaign trail that he would more than double Clinton's plan to spend $275 billion on infrastructure over five years.

Given that the national debt right now is about $19 trillion and our current federal budget is $3.8 trillion, tacking on another $550 billion to $1 trillion — or about $100 billion to $200 billion annually — is a massive government undertaking. It's the kind that fiscally conservative Republicans will want to make sure is paid for so that it doesn't balloon the debt even more. But finding the money in the budget for anything on that level will be nearly impossible.

Republicans aren't opposed to infrastructure spending, and it's something that both sides generally approve of. But doing it on the scale Trump is talking about will be a pretty tough pill to swallow. There are many examples of big-government ideas that Trump favors that might run into GOP opposition, but this is probably chief among them because of the price tag.

4. No Social Security changes

Let's go to Trump's own words here:

“I'm not going to cut it, and I'm not going to raise ages, and I'm not going to do all of the things that they want to do,” he said earlier this year. “But they want to really cut it, and they want to cut it very substantially — the Republicans — and I'm not going to do that.”

GOP leaders have danced a very delicate dance in recent years when it comes to reforming entitlements. They say they don't want to cut or curtail Social Security benefits — and neither do the vast majority of voters in each party — but they have argued that it's necessary to keep the program solvent. They have proposed creating private accounts and raising the retirement age in the name of making sure the program stays around.

 

Trump, though, has no time for that. He says he'll make it solvent by improving the economy and cutting “waste, fraud and abuse.” Analysts are dubious. And so any efforts to make basically any changes to Social Security now that Republicans actually have the means to do so will apparently not meet with the approval of President Trump.

5. Glass-Steagall

In a surprise, the Trump campaign was actually able to get a return to the old Glass-Steagall Act inserted into the Republican Party platform this year. The 1933 law was a response to the Great Depression and basically required that commercial and investment banking couldn't take place under the same roof. It was repealed in 1999, and some blame its repeal for the 2008 financial crisis.

But many Republicans in Congress oppose a return to Glass-Steagall, believing it to be an unnecessary burden on the financial sector that makes it more difficult to compete with banks overseas, and that that idea it caused the crises is overblown.

It remains to be seen whether Trump will really press the issue in opposition to business-minded Republicans. While it was a convenient way to draw a contrast with Hillary Clinton's Wall Street ties in the general election, it wasn't a feature of his campaign early on.

6. Russia/NATO

Trump has said he would like to improve relations between the United States and Russia, and Russian President Vladimir Putin said after Tuesday's election that he would like to normalize relations. Trump has also said nice things about Putin and suggested the United States might not defend NATO allies against a Russian incursion unless other countries pay more.

It's not clear what specifically Congress would be called upon to decide when it comes to Russia or NATO, but if Congress is part of the process, you can bet it will be a difficult thing for Republicans to go along with Trump. Putin is broadly unpopular in the United States, and NATO is a diplomatic agreement that GOP leaders find very important.

[Twiggy 2,967]

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What a compelling and completely unbiased breakdown. Stay classy Cenk.

 

 

[EmeraldStar04 250]

He's way smarter than the news gives him credit for.

 

After all, he outwitted Killary, The Butcher Of Benghazi.

[Anneal 2,198]

I'm having the impression that people who don't like Trump simply refuse to listen to the reasoning of his supporters on this site. 

[Vulcan 3,255]

 

 

Not sure about the GOP, but his plans sound dreadful. Sure, getting rid of Obamacare might be a good idea, though I don't think he has any idea for an alternative.

 

From what I hear His alternative is to let private insurers compete across states leading to lower prices. Whether or not that will be effective is up for debate, but I'm curious to see if it will actually work.

[N.W. 3,619]

I'm having the impression that people who don't like Trump simply refuse to listen to the reasoning of his supporters on this site. 

To be fair, their smugness is not any more mature than those who refuse to listen to them. 

Again, people on both sides ought to be more mature. 

[Anneal 2,198]

To be fair, their smugness is not any more mature than those who refuse to listen to them. 

Again, people on both sides ought to be more mature. 

 

I'm not excusing some people from the Trump side who's acting all cocky and smug that their candidate won. But from what I'm seeing here, it seems that some Clinton supporters simply refuse to listen to the other side. 

 

 

I do not care what his defenders say. His history and how he has handled things before gives me no reason to have anything else but dread for his 'presidency'.

 

Case in point.

[Vulcan 3,255]

 

 

I'm having the impression that people who don't like Trump simply refuse to listen to the reasoning of his supporters on this site.

 

Agreed, Though such is not limited to this site alone,

 

 

 

 

Not that I support him, if anything I'm just curious as to the rationale of his supporters. Not just the reasons they voted for him, but their thoughts on the usual counter-arguments to their reasons....

[Concerned Bystander 2,904]

 

 

With the Republican party now controlling the majority of the Legislative, the only big check that would balance the GoP agenda is the Judiciary,

 

I'm of the understanding that there is currently a 4/4 split in the Supreme Court with one vacant seat to be nominated by Trump.  So that gives the Republicans the President, Congress, the Senate and the Supreme court.

 

It certainly means that unless he goes completely mad then he should have far more success at getting things done than Obama ever did.  He has all the tools, we just to wait and see what he'll actually do with them.

[Zyrael 1,473]

It certainly means that unless he goes completely mad then he should have far more success at getting things done than Obama ever did.  He has all the tools, we just to wait and see what he'll actually do with them.

 

Success at getting what done, though? because this:

 

 that gives the Republicans the President, Congress, the Senate and the Supreme court.

 

is a cannon pointed directly at our rights.  

What kind of country is this going to be for all the americans attacked, insulted, pushed aside and ignored by these people? 

[Vulcan 3,255]

I'm of the understanding that there is currently a 4/4 split in the Supreme Court with one vacant seat to be nominated by Trump.  So that gives the Republicans the President, Congress, the Senate and the Supreme court.   It certainly means that unless he goes completely mad then he should have far more success at getting things done than Obama ever did.  He has all the tools, we just to wait and see what he'll actually do with them.

 

 

Interesting....I guess I can finally see what happens when Republicans have their control....if it succeeds in Making America a better place, then great! If it turns into everything that Democrats fear them to be, then the public will lose a lot of faith in the Republican party, a degree to which they may not be able to mend for a long time to come... This is shaping up to be an interesting couple of years for sure 

Edited November 11, 2016 by Vulcan

[Denim&Venöm 20,359]

 

 

The wall will be good for both the US and Mexico.

 

Sure, if taxpayers are gonna forkover the estimated $25 billion to build the wall, and another $25 billion to maintain it over the next 7 years as it gets even more costly after that, not to mention that wall will go through the properties of private owners and not even cover the Rio Grand, and yet, only be half effective, as the other half of illegal immigration is done through airports and border crossings using visa's and simply overstaying them. And even then, drug smuggling won't exactly be stopped thanks to underground tunnels, or just getting packages air born over the wall. 

[AaronMk 281]

Just a reminder that the Republicans won the majority of the senate by one seat and the house by twenty.

 

There's also at least a handful of Never Trump Republicans in both houses who when or if they ally with the Democrats on some of Trump's most major issues will form a major road-block to seeing some of his policies put into place.  Not to say all of them will be stopped by congressional alliance, but most will and most will be forced to be greatly diluted in all likelihood.

 

So instead of a wall on the border, we're likely to end up with additional funds to border security.

 

When it comes time to remove Obamacare, the legislature will be faced with the uneasy idea of removing benefits from their constituency, which is something they have not done ever in their history.

 

The same might be said for the mass deportation of all illegals. Maybe some will be sent back, but when the price tag comes up for that - along with the wall - fiscal conservatives will feel their palms get sweaty.

 

There'll also be a contentious block in congress that will take great pains to retain free-trade policies and to not go the protectionist route of Trump's platform. Even if he were to re-negotiate and the terms were less free than they are now there'll be a nice fight to get it ratified.

 

Just because all three wings of government are pointed in the same direction doesn't mean they're going to go the same way. You have to remember the Republicans are now basically in a state of civil war with themselves.

[Anneal 2,198]

Just a reminder that the Republicans won the majority of the senate by one seat and the house by twenty.

 

There's also at least a handful of Never Trump Republicans in both houses who when or if they ally with the Democrats on some of Trump's most major issues will form a major road-block to seeing some of his policies put into place.  Not to say all of them will be stopped by congressional alliance, but most will and most will be forced to be greatly diluted in all likelihood.

 

So instead of a wall on the border, we're likely to end up with additional funds to border security.

 

When it comes time to remove Obamacare, the legislature will be faced with the uneasy idea of removing benefits from their constituency, which is something they have not done ever in their history.

 

The same might be said for the mass deportation of all illegals. Maybe some will be sent back, but when the price tag comes up for that - along with the wall - fiscal conservatives will feel their palms get sweaty.

 

There'll also be a contentious block in congress that will take great pains to retain free-trade policies and to not go the protectionist route of Trump's platform. Even if he were to re-negotiate and the terms were less free than they are now there'll be a nice fight to get it ratified.

 

Just because all three wings of government are pointed in the same direction doesn't mean they're going to go the same way. You have to remember the Republicans are now basically in a state of civil war with themselves.

 

That's also why Trump had started changing his policies and ideas a few weeks before the election and post-election. Some have been subtle, but right after the election he openly said that he was "open to amends" on Obamacare, unlike a few months ago where he had talked about outright repealing it. Trump has already shifted his policies to try to unite his own party and voters; if he didn't do so he would have trouble doing what he wants to get done as president. 

 

Appealing to your population has been something regularly done by president-elects, so I don't really see that as something wrong. And to be honest, I feel like Trump has been toting his policies more extremely to attract attention before leading them to a more reasonable policy, or pacing and leading them to certain ideas. Of course, for some people it has backfired. 

 

Right now I'm waiting to see what he does, but I completely doubt the US is going to be in ruins within four years if we had nearly a dozen terrible presidents before. Trump isn't going to be that bad. 

[Vulcan 3,255]

It turns out GoP are attempting to pass bills weakening Net Neutrality....

 

Most of the youth don't really have much they can rally behind but If Congress manages to repeal or even weaken the rules that protects the madness that is the internet, It may not end well for them. The Youth may have the lowest voter turn out but if something as important as the internet is in danger....They can be very powerful, Especially if sites like Netflix or Youtube would be on the line. 

 

I honestly hope Trump has since changed his views on Net Neutrality (Last time he talked about it was 2 years ago and he did not like it.), I'll have to wait and see...but it's not looking good O_O

Edited November 12, 2016 by Vulcan

[EpicEnergy 23,244]

I think Trump had good plans, like building a wall and getting rid of Obamacare.

[Splashee 28,593]

It has been 4 years, and I haven't seen any problems from him yet, mainly because I don't live there. If you Americans have a good time over there, you can credit it to Trump. If you have a bad time however, you know who to blame.