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Sesame Street has touched on a wide variety f controversial topjcs, from death to HIV. (The Lion King has also) What I find funny is that people swear My little Pony is a kid show, but has avoided sensitive subjects, while promoting violence, on the other hand, in many situations. So what gives? 

Could MLP take a few pages on how Sesame Street does things?

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Well I feel like that sesame street is more of a educational show so tough topics like death,divorce etc. are really easily tackled. Even though some specials were canned. Such as the first special aimed at covering divorce. As for mlp it's not as educational as sesame street but it does have morals that it does impart on its younger viewers.

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7 minutes ago, PrincessOfCompassion said:

 

Well I feel like that sesame street is more of a educational show so tough topics like death,divorce etc. are really easily tackled. Even though some specials were canned. Such as the first special aimed at covering divorce. As for mlp it's not as educational as sesame street but it does have morals that it does impart on its younger viewers.

The reasoning that SS is educational (which is only half true, as it features nonsensical skits with their puppets at the same time) doesn't have a leg to stand on, though, when you also consider just how many other children's programing, that wasn't educational,  have done the same thing. 

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I'd have say that SS is more educational and they had to be very careful how they presented death to the audience of 2-5 year-old children. Child psychologists were consulted on how best to explain death to preschoolers. Even in The Land Before Time child psychologists were asked how to deal with Littlefoot's mother's death. A scene was added right afte the death scene to lighten the mood for little kids. I also think confirming AJ's parents dead might complicate the story somehow. An example is in Pokemon the dub said Brock's mother was dead. In a later season, his mother is shown alive (which makes both his parents deadbeats). The SS episode on divorce was produced but not aired because children found it confusing. MLP does have educational moments, however, it's a more "feel good" show. Most parent deaths in children's media advance the hero in some way (such as TLK, Land Before Time, Bambi, etc).

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tough topics are things that educational t.v shows, and sit coms do. 

Besides, do you really...REALLY want to see a "Bicycle Shop" episode of MLP? I mean, do you really want to see that happen to the CMC or Diamond Tiara or whatever? It would be very uncomfortable. Maybe a Drug episode dealing with Alcohol or something. Just use the fan favorite Berry Punch as the town alcoholic as some sort of anti drinking special, but that is as extreme as I can possibly think of. 

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Star Petal, it's a good point that I don't really think MLP is going to deal with tough topics in the way sitcoms or educational shows do. I really can't remember any of the shows I watched as a child that were cartoons dealing with these issues. An exception might be lightly touching on bullying (Care Bears dealt with this somewhat in their shows and movies), but it didn't go in depth. Sitcoms are more a family thing so there will be deeper issues explored. I'm not saying families don't watch MLP together, but I think Hasbro expects a lot of younger viewers to watch it solo and kind of like the "happy" vibe of the show.

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I don't believe it promotes violence, rather they intend for it to portray standing up for yourself and your beliefs. Granted kids at the targeted age range for the show may not fully understand that, however they also are not likely to grasp the concepts you suggest Sesame Street covered, and therefore I would claim the topic is a moot point. 

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I think a topic like divorce would be a good one for MLP to tackle. One thing about Sesame Street is that I think it tackles some of these controversial subjects partially because they are mandated somewhat (I don't fully understand how, but I know that public television, and especially sesame street, is under a lot of oversight). MLP is here for entertainment, and it is harder to maintain an entertaining show with these controversial subjects, so Hasbro would prefer for MLP to stay safe.

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22 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

The reasoning that SS is educational (which is only half true, as it features nonsensical skits with their puppets at the same time) doesn't have a leg to stand on, though, when you also consider just how many other children's programing, that wasn't educational,  have done the same thing. 

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Look I am not going to argue on this I mean its a discussion about sesame street and colorful little ponies. I have more important things to do with my day then sit here all day and argue about children's television. I was merely stating my opinion not looking for a argument.


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Just now, firewing628 said:

I don't believe it promotes violence, rather they intend for it to portray standing up for yourself and your beliefs. Granted kids at the targeted age range for the show may not fully understand that, however they also are not likely to grasp the concepts you suggest Sesame Street covered, and therefore I would claim the topic is a moot point. 

Smashing the series' main princess into mountains and energy blasting her, geting directly physical with a hoarde of changelings, hornless unicorns smacking around fish guys like ragdolls isn't promoting violence to you? 

If they're unable to grasp violence (I highly doubt that, given what we see in the behavior of kids),  then why is it in there, wheras the sensitive subjects aren't.  Why tiptoe around it, if you think they can't grasp it? Why not beleive Hasbro can put it in the show, because kiddies won't comprehend it anyway, if you think that's the case.


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I think that is what makes Sesame Street a lot more memorable. But, to be fair I think at least for Gen 4 of MLP's case it is trying to resemble closely to being Sesame Streetish except a much safer and lighthearted version.

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Just now, PrincessOfCompassion said:

Look I am not going to argue on this I mean its a discussion about sesame street and colorful little ponies. I have more important things to do with my day then sit here all day and argue about children's television. I was merely stating my opinion not looking for a argument.

Im not looking to argue. I'm just saying that  the reasoning that "its educational" it weak, when non educational kid shows have done it, and mlp is a mix of both (what with its morals and entertainment value). 


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1 minute ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Smashing the series' main princess into mountains and energy blasting her, geting directly physical with a hoarde of changelings, hornless unicorns smacking around fish guys like ragdolls isn't promoting violence to you? 

If they're unable to grasp violence (I highly doubt that, given what we see in the behavior of kids),  then why is it in there, wheras the sensitive subjects aren't.  Why tiptoe around it, if you think they can't grasp it? Why not beleive Hasbro can put it in the show, because kiddies won't comprehend it anyway, if you think that's the case.

I didn't say they were unable to grasp violence, I said that they were unable to grasp the reason behind it (ie. standing up for something) and therefore would likely be unable to grasp the other sensitive topics that people are bringing up from Sesame Street. Kids grasp, and usually enjoy watching, violence in movies. They don't usually grasp the deeper message being sent by having it as a part of the show. 

As to Hasbro putting it into the show, I don't think they need to. They teach plenty of worthwhile lessons centered around the ideal the show was built around, "Friendship". 

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1 hour ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Sesame Street has touched on a wide variety f controversial topjcs, from death to HIV. (The Lion King has also) What I find funny is that people swear My little Pony is a kid show, but has avoided sensitive subjects, while promoting violence, on the other hand, in many situations. So what gives? 

Could MLP take a few pages on how Sesame Street does things?

I don't believe they can. Sesame Street has been around for way longer than MLP:FIM. In that time they were able to develop a wide array of characters that could tackle different subjects. Mlps main focus if about friendship and is in nearly every episode, they don't leave much wiggle room for anything else.

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1 hour ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Im not looking to argue. I'm just saying that  the reasoning that "its educational" it weak, when non educational kid shows have done it, and mlp is a mix of both (what with its morals and entertainment value). 

 I just feel that with sesame with it being so educational it can present the facts in a more straightforward manner then mlp ever could. Yes mlp is educational in the way it teaches good morals to its viewers. But when it comes to subjects like death it is more alluded to the viewer then anything. Don't get me wrong I felt the show dealt with some subjects awesomely. For example the episode S4 ep 21 Testing Testing 123 I felt it greatly touched upon how its like to deal/live with a learning disability. And with the most recent episode I felt like it handled the death of AJ's parents rather well. They just couldn't show how they died for obvious reasons. I just don't feel mlp could go in depth as sesame street could since it simply not as educational as the latter.  Also I have watched the same video about a week ago.

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Mlp cant tackle some mature subject just as many shows, and it dont have to be, i just need it to be fun with some surprising deep stuffs, FUN is the key word, and of course a bit silly but not stupid like Teen Titan GO...

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11 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Sesame Street has touched on a wide variety f controversial topjcs, from death to HIV. (The Lion King has also) What I find funny is that people swear My little Pony is a kid show, but has avoided sensitive subjects, while promoting violence, on the other hand, in many situations. So what gives? 

Could MLP take a few pages on how Sesame Street does things?

I think fun should be the most important thing indeed like @Lambdadelta said, but I think it has to touch topics like death too. Not whole episodes full of it, but between the lines and episodes most be a darker topic. Kids maybe don't reconize it, but the parents can hint at it if they want. Like the perfect pair or crusators of the lost mark. We know AJ's parents are gone, but the kids have no idea. :orly:

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On 7/5/2017 at 1:20 PM, cmarston1 said:

The two shows are made for entirety different audiences.

So the fact that Sesame street is for educating 4 year old kids, means that they can straight up talk about death and FiM, a general family show for all ages, can't even barely allude to the subject? To me, that is garbage.

What I feel, is that we live in a generation of scared corporations. Companies that are terrified of specific parents that are morons and will sue at any possible chance so they can get money to supplement their pathetic life, with some good ol American publicity to top it off. We live in an era where you can sue fast food companies because you spilled coffee on yourself.

So in the end, while it does annoy the hell out of me, I can't exactly blame Hasbro all too much. I blame this society for being stupid. A society full of attention whores that will do anything for money and publicity.


 

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