The Movie is the last hope for the show to get new seasons

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Meh, there is no point to wish for the show's END. Dont like it, stop watching it. 

Someday you will get what you wished for, eventually. Spend your precious time for better series, dont waste your energy to endure the whole series you have no longer invested when you can just end it yourself by stop watching, just to see its end.

 

 

[BastementSparkle 20,326]

7 minutes ago, Sly said:

Ah... Probably I might be the only one to think this way, but while I enjoy the stories of the secondary characters, Starlight included, I still watch this show mainly for the Mane 6, and I REALLY didn't like the treatments they got in about the 60% of the S6. ESPECIALLY with the trashy treatment they got in the finale, which alone KILLED any kind of hype I had developed for this show for 5 years in 44 minutes of episode.

I don't really want to judge here, but this seems like such an extreme reaction to me. The Mane Six were captured and not the heroes of one finale...Okay, so what? It doesn't destroy all the development they had previously, it doesn't stop them from being the heroes again in the future. It's just giving other characters a chance to be the heroes for once. Lot's of shows do plots like these, where the main heroes are taken out and somebody else saves them.

As for their treatment for the rest of the season...Not really sure what you mean honestly?

[Sly 236]

12 minutes ago, RareBase said:

I don't really want to judge here, but this seems like such an extreme reaction to me. The Mane Six were captured and not the heroes of one finale...Okay, so what? It doesn't destroy all the development they had previously, it doesn't stop them from being the heroes again in the future. It's just giving other characters a chance to be the heroes for once. Lot's of shows do plots like these, where the main heroes are taken out and somebody else saves them.

As for their treatment for the rest of the season...Not really sure what you mean honestly?

There were plenty of BAAAAD moments/portrayals for the Mane 6 in thhe s6, like the EXTREMELY bad conclusion of Rd's Story arc lasted six years, or Aj Rarity and RD acting like retarded jerks toward their little sisters, or RD deliberately scaring Fluttershy when after 6 seasons she should know better than anypony else that SHE HATES BEING SCARED, and things like that. And also the way they were treated in the finale to me was like... to use an euphemism... like trash with no value. And I think that all of this came from Haber's and Vogel's direction of the writing. Most of the best moments in the seasons were for Starlight (and Spike), I think they treated her like she was their precious pet (and I haven't said that they are Starlight Glimmer fanboys as judgement, they deliberately admitted it plenty of times) while the Mane 6 got overshadowed or badly treated (honestly the only S6 eps I can remember they were handeld very well were The Gift of The Maud Pie, The saddle Row Review, Flutter Brutter, Stranger than FF, Buckball Season, and all the Map Episodes). And now that they have returned for S8 with Haber potentially returning as Story editor, I don't have trust for the S8 because they could return with their utter Starlight fanboysm again and the Mane 6 will get other trashy treatments, I just refuse to see that.... which is why I rely on my friends to know if I should watch it or not. 

[BastementSparkle 20,326]

23 minutes ago, Sly said:

There were plenty of BAAAAD moments/portrayals for the Mane 6 in thhe s6, like the EXTREMELY bad conclusion of Rd's Story arc lasted six years, or Aj Rarity and RD acting like retarded jerks toward their little sisters, or RD deliberately scaring Fluttershy when after 6 seasons she should know better than anypony else that SHE HATES BEING SCARED, and things like that. And also the way they were treated in the finale to me was like... to use an euphemism... like trash with no value. And I think that all of this came from Haber's and Vogel's direction of the writing. Most of the best moments in the seasons were for Starlight (and Spike), I think they treated her like she was their precious pet (and I haven't said that they are Starlight Glimmer fanboys as judgement, they deliberately admitted it plenty of times) while the Mane 6 got overshadowed or badly treated (honestly the only S6 eps I can remember they were handeld very well were The Gift of The Maud Pie, The saddle Row Review, Flutter Brutter, Stranger than FF, Buckball Season, and all the Map Episodes). And now that they have returned for S8 with Haber potentially returning as Story editor, I don't have trust for the S8 because they could return with their utter Starlight fanboysm again and the Mane 6 will get other trashy treatments, I just refuse to see that.... which is why I rely on my friends to know if I should watch it or not. 

Okay, I can understand your complaints about some of those episodes then, but you actually kind of talked about more episodes you liked them in, than ones you disliked them in. There's always some episodes with issues though, I don't think they were deliberately treated badly. Starlight, outside of the Two-parter's didn't even really get that many episodes either.

I just don't really understand your feelings on the finale, they just got captured. That doesn't mean the writer's think they're trash or anything like that. They don't always have to be the heroes. I didn't see the mane Six as trash with no value, they just got captured.

Edited July 26, 2017 by RareBase

[Techno Universal 2,575]

10 hours ago, Sly said:

Hey there. Once again I wanted to share some things I discovered lately:

http://mlp.derpynews.com/inside-the-numbers-hasbros-q2-earnings-3/

According to this, while still remaining high, MLP's sales have been off during the second quarter of 2017 and this makes me think that the show has lost most of its powers in pulling the sales of the toys (the fact that the ratings of the S7 on DF have been disastrous so far, with lows of 70k didn't help). We all know that MLP depends COMPLETELY on the sales of the merchandize, so if that goes bad, the show will be cancelled. Normally at this point I would say that because this drop the S8 will be the last, but there is still one thing that could pull the sales up in the meantime: the theatrical Movie of course (the same Brian Goldner, CEO of Hasbro, said that in the report I posted). With the show having lost most of its powers (despite the quality of S7 so far) the Movie is the very last hope to pull up the sales of the franchuse again and grant the show something more other than the S8. Unfortunately, I believe that even if succedes in that, it wouldn't grant more than a S9, because once the Movie hype will be gone, there won't be anything left to pull up the sales, so eventually the series will be cancelled. 

In short, MLP is dropping in sales, the Movie is the only thing that could pull up the sales in future and eve if it does it would grant just a S9. Whatever things will go, the series won't  get more than other two seasons after the S7. This is the idea I got from this report and the previous two (MLP started dropping even then). What you think?

Apparently I have feeling that just as the show was canceled they replaced it with a show that was based off my theory of equestria and it was just to keep the brony community happy and hyped. This is still a possibility of how they saved the fandom.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

I really do think they are releasing this movie at a bad time-- s3/S4 would have been the ideal time IMO.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

9 hours ago, Lambdadelta said:

Meh, there is no point to wish for the show's END. Dont like it, stop watching it. 

Someday you will get what you wished for, eventually. Spend your precious time for better series, dont waste your energy to endure the whole series you have no longer invested when you can just end it yourself by stop watching, just to see its end.

 

 

Honestly, I can think of a few Equestria Daily users who should take this advice, too. I'd mention them, but I'll just leave them anonymous just to be safe.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Just now, heavens-champion said:

just to be safe.

Why!? It not like they are going to eat you or something... right?

Just now, heavens-champion said:

Equestria Daily users who should take this advice

There is guy who constantly rambling about quitting the show whenever he sees something wrong with the direction of the mane 6.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

Just now, Lambdadelta said:

Why!? It not like they are going to eat you or something... right?

There is guy who constantly rambling about quitting the show whenever he sees something wrong with the direction of the mane 6.

There's also this guy who thinks fans (including himself) shouldn't be respected, constantly says that becoming an alicorn makes a character worthless, and that the mane 6 are useless. He also thinks that fact we are in perpetual adolescence for watching the show, whatever that means.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Just now, heavens-champion said:

an alicorn makes a character worthless, and that the mane 6 are useless

That is me sometimes  but not to the extreme level like wanting Starlight to replace them or something . Even as a Starlight fan, some Starlight obsessive fans bother me. 

 

[heavens-champion 1,905]

Just now, Lambdadelta said:

That is me sometimes  but not to the extreme level like wanting Starlight to replace them or something . Even as a Starlight fan, some Starlight obsessive fans bother me. 

 

Like one Starlight fan that constantly referred to the Mane 6 as the Useless 6, every time.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

Just now, heavens-champion said:

Useless 6, every time.

I remember that one guy in Equestria Daily, i think he's a troll. Not see him around recently. 

1 hour ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

 

I really do think they are releasing this movie at a bad time-- s3/S4 would have been the ideal time IMO.

 

If they do that, it would be a Jumping the Shark because of S6. Release this movie this time will be a triumph for mane 6 

[heavens-champion 1,905]

Just now, Lambdadelta said:

I remember that one guy in Equestria Daily, i think he's a troll. Not see him around recently. 

 

Sounds to me like he got banned.

As for the movie being the last hope for MLP, I don' think there's any need to worry. Hopefully, Transformers is going strong, too.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

3 minutes ago, Lambdadelta said:

 

If they do that, it would be a Jumping the Shark because of S6. Release this movie this time will be a triumph for mane 6 

not sure what you're saying here. I'm saying that they should have released the movie BACK in Season 3 or 4 due to the series having more momentum back then and the brony fandom being larger (while the Target audience fandom was roughly the same size).

Jumping the shark doesn't enter into anything here, I'm merely talking numbers and momentum, and the show was probably strongest in S3/S4; its begun to decline massively in Show ratings and its toy numbers are wobbling a bit downward currently.

[ZethaPonderer 2,199]

I would make the argument that if this MLP movie did well, then Hasbro should conclude Gen 4 of MLP in some way and move on to making a Gen 5. Gen 4 could be considered as the Classic Megaman series while Gen 5 can do its own thing and might become similar to Megaman X/Zero series where its darker.

All the friendship lessons the Mane 6 have accumulated throughout the show have become corrupted in Gen 5. A heroine mare (pretty much Joan of Arc like personality) is born to restore the friendship lessons in their proper context and live up to the legacy the Mane 6 have left behind. The CMCs will still be around all grown up helping the heroine mare find her own friends and her purpose. It'll be a dark world indeed in Gen 5 if they go through with this idea.

 

Yeah, I have Mega Man on the mind.  I'm on a Mega Man-athon currently.

Edited July 27, 2017 by ZethaPonderer

[AlbaTross 1,586]

Um...the thread title is a bit misleading as the link provided doesn't explicitly state that the future of the series rests solely on the success of the movie.  It can't hurt if it does well, and there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that Hasbro really wants this film to bring in new fans, but the success and future of FiM depends on a number of factors, only one of which is the upcoming film.  Now, come October 6th I'll be seeing the film and you can bet I'll be buying as many of the spinoff media cash-ins as I can, so Hasbro can count on my support, but whether they'll bring in a series a sufficient number of new fans with the movie is anyone's guess.  I still wouldn't classify it as the sole defining factor in Hasbro's decision to keep the series going or pull the plug and it's way too early to speculate on that.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

13 minutes ago, ZethaPonderer said:

I would make the argument that if this MLP movie did well, then Hasbro should conclude Gen 4 of MLP in some way and move on to making a Gen 5. Gen 4 could be considered as the Classic Megaman series while Gen 5 can do its own thing and might become similar to Megaman X/Zero series where its darker.

All the friendship lessons the Mane 6 have accumulated throughout the show have become corrupted in Gen 5. A heroine mare (pretty much Joan of Arc like personality) is born to restore the friendship lessons in their proper context and live up to the legacy the Mane 6 have left behind. The CMCs will still be around all grown up helping the heroine mare find her own friends and her purpose. It'll be a dark world indeed in Gen 5 if they go through with this idea.

 

Yeah, I have Mega Man on the mind.  I'm on a Mega Man-athon currently.

>Worst case scenario, it goes like megaman and becomes like the new megaman anime

[ZethaPonderer 2,199]

Well now, never seen that particular Mega Man Anime before. I'm willing to bet its awful judging by the inflection of your comment. At the end of the day, it's just how I think. Hasbro calls the shots really in the long run so its not our decision if they pull the plug or overstay Gen 4's welcome.

 

I miss the Blue Bomber.

[LeafFerret 3,382]

I don't see any sign that the show is struggling right now, in fact it's doing okay at the moment compared to what it was back in S5. I don't think of the movie as a last resort for the show as it is going quite well, with or without the movie.

[Sly 236]

1 hour ago, AlbaTross said:

Um...the thread title is a bit misleading as the link provided doesn't explicitly state that the future of the series rests solely on the success of the movie.  It can't hurt if it does well, and there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that Hasbro really wants this film to bring in new fans, but the success and future of FiM depends on a number of factors, only one of which is the upcoming film.  Now, come October 6th I'll be seeing the film and you can bet I'll be buying as many of the spinoff media cash-ins as I can, so Hasbro can count on my support, but whether they'll bring in a series a sufficient number of new fans with the movie is anyone's guess.  I still wouldn't classify it as the sole defining factor in Hasbro's decision to keep the series going or pull the plug and it's way too early to speculate on that.

Actually it's not misleading. As I said the show has lost most lf its powers to pull the sales (this is already the third quarter of drop in a row) and the HEAVY drop in the DF ratings is not helping. If there wasn't the Movie coming up, I would have already taken as granted that the S8 would have been the last one because by the time it would have started, sales would have dropped even more and eventually Hasbro would have cancelled the series.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

9 hours ago, Sly said:

Actually it's not misleading. As I said the show has lost most lf its powers to pull the sales (this is already the third quarter of drop in a row) and the HEAVY drop in the DF ratings is not helping. If there wasn't the Movie coming up, I would have already taken as granted that the S8 would have been the last one because by the time it would have started, sales would have dropped even more and eventually Hasbro would have cancelled the series.

While that may be true, it's still very much possible the show can continue on.  It's well-reasoned conjecture on your part, but still conjecture.  At the end of the day it's up to the executives to decide when to pull the plug.

Besides, I don't think DF figures alone paint a very reliable picture.  If Americans are anything like those of us north of the border, then I would be surprised if many people at all watch much TV when it airs, on any cable network.  Does that include PVR figures since I can guarantee most who would watch the show on DF probably won't sit down to watch it the moment it airs.  Moreover, many people just binge on the show when it hits Netflix.  Some people watch the show through more illegal means, but those neither benefit Hasbro or DHX or provide viewer data.  It's probably very much possible to extract Netflix data though.  That would be the figure worth looking at in 2017.

Toy sales are another thing entirely.  Yes, the show exists to promote the show, but no it's not 100% dependent on how well the toys do.  Heck, we can throw in sales of the spinoff media in there as they are FiM related products too.  Are the bi-weekly comic releases down in sales too?  How have the G.M. Berrow books been doing?  How about the home media releases of the show or the Amazon digital sales?  Also, the article doesn't make it sound like the actual toys are doing too poorly.  Just that they could be doing better, and a movie may just be the thing to refresh the brand, but it doesn't sound like it's on life support.  

[Sly 236]

22 minutes ago, AlbaTross said:

While that may be true, it's still very much possible the show can continue on.  It's well-reasoned conjecture on your part, but still conjecture.  At the end of the day it's up to the executives to decide when to pull the plug.

Besides, I don't think DF figures alone paint a very reliable picture.  If Americans are anything like those of us north of the border, then I would be surprised if many people at all watch much TV when it airs, on any cable network.  Does that include PVR figures since I can guarantee most who would watch the show on DF probably won't sit down to watch it the moment it airs.  Moreover, many people just binge on the show when it hits Netflix.  Some people watch the show through more illegal means, but those neither benefit Hasbro or DHX or provide viewer data.  It's probably very much possible to extract Netflix data though.  That would be the figure worth looking at in 2017.

Toy sales are another thing entirely.  Yes, the show exists to promote the show, but no it's not 100% dependent on how well the toys do.  Heck, we can throw in sales of the spinoff media in there as they are FiM related products too.  Are the bi-weekly comic releases down in sales too?  How have the G.M. Berrow books been doing?  How about the home media releases of the show or the Amazon digital sales?  Also, the article doesn't make it sound like the actual toys are doing too poorly.  Just that they could be doing better, and a movie may just be the thing to refresh the brand, but it doesn't sound like it's on life support.  

Uhm, if you want to know it, the sales of the episodes on digital platforms (Itunes and Amazon) dropped too (and that's might be the reason because at a full half S7, there is no news about a S6 DVD when the previous ones have always been released in the hiatuses between the various seasons). The comics are doing fine but they are slowing dropping as well. The Books... I have no idea of those. But still, for the most part many MLP related products dropped in the sales, so it would pretty beliveable that Hasbro would have decided to cancel the series after the S8 if there wasn't the upcoming theatrical Movie. Now, the Moment pf truth has finally come. Movie's toys have started to appear in all the toys sellers around the world. We'll know what the fate of MLP will be on the next report in October. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

12 hours ago, ZethaPonderer said:

Well now, never seen that particular Mega Man Anime before. I'm willing to bet its awful judging by the inflection of your comment. At the end of the day, it's just how I think. Hasbro calls the shots really in the long run so its not our decision if they pull the plug or overstay Gen 4's welcome.

 

I miss the Blue Bomber.

Its going to be an anime about Megaman as a high school student who's secretly a robot.

 

11 hours ago, Sly said:

Actually it's not misleading. As I said the show has lost most lf its powers to pull the sales (this is already the third quarter of drop in a row) and the HEAVY drop in the DF ratings is not helping. If there wasn't the Movie coming up, I would have already taken as granted that the S8 would have been the last one because by the time it would have started, sales would have dropped even more and eventually Hasbro would have cancelled the series.

Sadly true about sales.

The only thing going UP are EQG minis, strangely.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

39 minutes ago, Sly said:

We'll know what the fate of MLP will be on the next report in October. 

No you won't. It will be next year before you hear anything most likely.

Everything AlbaTross stated has to be taken into consideration. The fact is the TV ratings are going down, but NOT because the show is not as popular, but because TV is not as popular. Discovery Family channel as a whole is struggling to get viewers. More and more fans are just viewing the show in others ways theses days, and we really just use one major source to record viewers. Also, Hasbro did themselves NO FAVORS by allowing other networks in other regions to early air the new episodes. By now, everyone who has wanted to see the new episodes has done so for the most part, and as such they have no reason to sit down Saturday and catch them... which will cause the ratings to look poor and have the same people saying

"SEE! NO ONE IS WATCHING!"

Well no shit... we've already seen it. Also more and more people are just watching them on youtube and vevo since you don't have to buy a DVD, or wait for an episode to back air for you. It may not be right, but it is what it is.

Yes the show is to sell toys.. but it is also a marketing juggernaut in other areas it is proving. Hasbro has finally realized this, and as such they are trying to adapt to it and figure out how best to go forward with it. It may be based on a little girls brand, but it is painfully obvious a larger demographic enjoys it. The toyline is started to fail because they are not doing as many new things with it. You can only sell the same plastic ponies over and over again for so long before people want something new. It is up to Hasbro to figure out what people want and give it to them... not everyone wants a new line of brushable figures of the same old characters. They have been getting more and more into the collectibles and action toys market, so time will tell where that takes them.

That being said, the cartoon is more than just a vehicle to sell some toys for them these days. If they move it to a different channel and do it right, it could still potentially bring in good revenue as well as to continue to market the brand in everything from toys to bedsheets. They are not going to be so eager to just drop the show I would imagine since dropping it sells nothing for them, and there is no guarantee they can turn around and release something that will have the wide ranging appeal MLPFiM does now.

Right now you are just dooming and glooming it based upon a CEO saying sales are not where they necessarily would like them to be. No where does it say there or anyplace they are doing badly and the franchise is in danger. Sales go up and down ALL the time... investors expect sales to go up and never come down, and yet they always do, and then someone gets upset because they only made 500 Million instead of 600 million, some numbers get released, everyone has a large sigh, and things then truck along like they normally do usually.

MLP may or may not get renewed for a S9, but it will not be because of anything happening now with current toy sales. Get back to me again after both the film and Christmas is over and then we can talk.

[Sly 236]

36 minutes ago, GrimGrimoire said:

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Uuuuhhhmmm sorry. I should have been more specific on my statement. I wanted to say "we'll get an idea of what MLP 's fate will be in the next report".

But in any case, no offence buddy but, I simply can't understand why would you want the series going on for so long. Aside of my sharing of infos I found, I personally believe that if MLP goes cancelled it will be just for the best. Have you forgot what's happened to shows like the Simpsons, Spongebob and the Fairly Odd Parents (WHICH THANK GOODNESS THE LATTER HAS BEEN CANCELLED NOW)? Do you really want to see MLP doing the same end? 

I myself despite my excitement for the second half of the S7 and the Movie, I don't have much trust for future seasons, especially with the potential return of Haber as story editor. I wasn't a fan of his story editing skills in S6 and about the 40% of it felt very shallow to me, and the finale.... well you know that. Also, considering the nature of the show, it could easely end with another TWABA as series finale, and honestly that would leave me VERY displaced if it happens.... which is why I'm relying to some friends to decide if to watch them or not. 

In any case, let me give you a piece of advice: careful to what you wish for.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Sly