Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[KruegerMeister 54]

Does having a great relationship/bond with my tulpa make me any less like Shou Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist? He made a human chimera to see if he could, and I made a tulpa because it seemed like a cool idea.

[KoGy 187]

The subject of Tulpas or Tulpae fascinates me.

 

I have a friend who has one and they do have a deep relationship.

The way presents her she is real.

 

I am kinda lonely IRL but I doubt I could make a tulpa or at least I am having worries on the subject.

Maybe I'm too skeptic or just too afraid to make one.

 

Any suggestion?

[KruegerMeister 54]

I am having worries on the subject.

Maybe I'm too skeptic or just too afraid to make one.

 

Any suggestion?

What kind of worries?

In regards to your skepticism, I know that anecdotes--the only real evidence of tulpas, IMO--are different from data, but if courts use witness reports, they have to count for something.

 

While I'm stating controversial-ish (possibly misworded) views, here's a counterargument to my "Am I no better than this fictional mad scientist" question--

[you're gonna get banned.]

Iiii'll just leave it at that, then . Please disregard the stuff after "they have to count for something".

Edited June 27, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[KoGy 187]

 

 

stuff

I would be afraid to have it turn on me or something like that.

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Golurk 468]

Well, something interesting has been happening lately.

 

This only happens when I'm exceedingly tired (literally moments away from falling asleep), but I think I may be getting a vocal response. They're random things that I actually hear, but which have absolutely no identifiable source. And when I say random, I mean random. They've varied from short growls to full-fledged and eloquently worded sentences (which happen to be Morgan Freeman quotes). And they very rarely have the same voice; the voice also seems to change to random things. Their numbers vary widely, anything from 6 within the span of 10 minutes to none at all for an entire day.

 

They're generally only tangentially relevant to what I'm thinking at the given moment. Certainly not things I would add on myself.

 

They all have a few things in common, though: They happen shortly after I talk to the tulpa, they only happen exceedingly late at night, I always actually hear them, and they're always done before I have time to acknowledge them. I have no idea why this is happening now, either. The most time I've spent in a session so far is 10 minutes, and they aren't even quality minutes. I have yet to actually start trying.

 

Am I going crazy yet? 

[Celli 4,338]

I debated whether or not I would attempt to make one. I decided it be too much of a hassle. I get pretty impatient sometimes.

[Guest]

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That probably is your tulpa. The variable voices might be because it isn't sure yet, maybe you could try to find a voice among the current ones (or make a new one) and parrot a few responses.

I had a similar problem but it seems to have settled down by itself.

 

Have you tried talking to your tulpa during these moments ?

 

 

Progress update :

 

Zephyr is almost vocal now, we frequently have conversations with each other but she still doesn't speak by herself.

The only problem that I have is visualisation, and that's very weird.

Some days I am able to see her (closed eye visu), and others I can't even manage to see a cube without it flickering or losing its shape.

I usually have no trouble with that kind of stuff, especially when reading. It might be because I'm too tired with what's been going on recently. But we're finally on holidays ! Yay !

 

So, Zephyr, a little word to the forums ?

"Hello ! I'm Zephyr. How are you all doing ?"

(It took ages to write this because she had no idea what to say ^^)

"Hey !"

[KruegerMeister 54]

Rainbow Dash was lying on my legs, and I could feel something...sort of a slightly cold feeling in them where she was. Is that a sign of tactile imposition? She was looking at a blank wall, and I thought about a painting being hung there, and it was. Could tulpaforcing things onto my environment go bad? Rainbow Dash looked at me like "-_-" just now.

[ReverieRiver 526]

 

 

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Huh, how odd... I've actually experienced the same thing a number of times. But strangely enough... it doesn't sound like my Ariel. I know the sound of her mental voice, she hasn't changed it, so it's especially odd for me. It's just more like... random auditory hallucinations that come to me when I'm about to fall asleep. Ironically, I've yet to 'hear' Ariel's voice as clearly as I've heard these little hallucinations...

 

 

 

So, Zephyr, a little word to the forums ? "Hello ! I'm Zephyr. How are you all doing ?"

(It took ages to write this because she had no idea what to say ^^)

"Hey !"

 

[Hi! I love talking to new tulpas, so... hi! ^w^]

 

Yep, Ariel does love interacting with other tulpas. It makes her happy, I think. Especially since she had the chance to have other tulpas interact with her early in her development- I think it actually helped her quite a bit. I remember getting my first emotional response from her when she was talking to another tulpa.

 

Rainbow Dash was lying on my legs, and I could feel something...sort of a slightly cold feeling in them where she was. Is that a sign of tactile imposition? She was looking at a blank wall, and I thought about a painting being hung there, and it was. Could tulpaforcing things onto my environment go bad? Rainbow Dash looked at me like "-_-" just now.

 

I've... never actually heard of imposing objects other than tulpas into one's environment. Curious. But, I don't see how it could do any harm... Also, as for the cold sort of feeling- I've actually had a similar feeling when I was trying to impose touch, so maybe.

 

On another note! After weeks of trying, I finally managed to induce a lucid dream! I didn't have complete control, and I can't quite remember what it was about, strangely enough (my dream recall sucks, lol), but I know it was a lucid dream! I distinctly remember thinking to myself in the dream, "This is a dream! I am lucid!" And I got this strange, warm tingling feeling in my right hand and leg. I woke up shortly after... but it was something! Hopefully, I'll start having more lucid dreams, and be able to bring Ariel in so I can interact with her in my dreams!

[KruegerMeister 54]

How did you induce it? Did you think about what it would be like to be lucid as you fell asleep or something like that?

[ReverieRiver 526]

How did you induce it? Did you think about what it would be like to be lucid as you fell asleep or something like that?

 

I've been using the MILD induction techniques, as described on this helpful page here. This site also has info about lucid dreaming in general, as well as other techniques for inducing it. Oh btw, it does help for you to have lucid dreaming as one of your last thoughts as you fall asleep.

 

I hope that helps!

[SonOfTheNorthe 412]

What you guys are experiencing is probably actually this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

 

I used to have it a lot. One time, I was hearing some sick fucking dubstep.

[KruegerMeister 54]

Thanks for the tips, Reaper. Right now I'm reading a forum thread about tulpas. They mentioned Jared Lee Loughner, which gave me the idea to impose my tulpa on all but one of my senses, so that I can have a failsafe (if she were real, she'd be imposed on this sense) if I ever forget that she's only "mentally" real, as opposed to physically.

Nice short story, Techoh. I'm guessing you already submitted it to Pegasus, but do you care if I offer criticism?

 

Here's some related stuff about my tulpa stories. I'm not trying to sound impatient, but still waiting on a response to the question of "should the pseudo-tulpa villain physically harm his victim, explaining that he's not really a tulpa, or just creep her out?"

 

The other story, "Memoir of a Turned One" is about a guy who gets turned into an alien (I believe I already mentioned that the aliens are seen as evil monsters, but aren't). His fragile mind can't deal with his new "kill first, ask questions later" instincts, and he unknowingly sections them off into a tulpa (nicknamed Brian). Brian grows past his initial nature to some extent.

 

In the sequel (which features the baby alien with a hallucinatory body), Brian switches with his host to prevent any psychological damage (because the host and his captors/torturers have a few things in common, and the host can't handle that).

 

I'm thinking of a third story, in which a man with a tulpa (me) gets transported into a fictional universe he created. He gets possessed by an Evil Alien (unrelated to the aliens in the Turned One story). In a bit of doublethink, he's both himself and the Evil Alien. His/my tulpa tries using the "looking creepy, standing over you with a knife, etc." thing to scare the Evil Alien off. The pseudo-tulpa destroys all the Evil Aliens.

Does any of that give a bad impression of tulpas? I swear, if I keep trying to factor everything in like this, I'll drive myself nuts! Here's my impression of a fan: "The villain said he wasn't a tulpa? He's clearly denying that he's what all tulpas are! He did something good and killed the Evil Aliens? Tulpas who do good things will be evil in the long-term!"

[People don't really...they misinterpret stuff.]

She's basically saying that I can't account for everything. Some people will act like the hypothetical fan I made up, and I can't do anything about it. *shrug* meh, whatever.

Edited June 30, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Guest]

[Hi! I love talking to new tulpas, so... hi! ^w^]

 

Teckie:" hewwow! /)^3^(\ how are you doing? It's great to meet you! I'm Teckie

"Hi ! Nice to meet you both :3"

 

So, I dug back in the thread a little and tried the sleep paralysis method that some were using to improve visualisation and hearing.

I laid down on my back and tried not to move a single muscle while keeping my mind occupied and talking to Zephyr.

"What you said made so much sense..."

Hey, I was tired okay ?

So, I progressively started feeling numb and I noticed Zephyr's voice was getting much clearer.

After some point I think I actually entered paralysis. I felt it was harder for me to breathe and my heart rate was going up (it calmed itself pretty quickly). I felt a very weird sensation in my head, it's pretty hard to describe but not far from sinking.

"And then you twitched your toe and woke up ^^"

Yeah... Still (heh), not moving wasn't as hard as I had expected.

I fell asleep the next two attempts, but that first experience was definitely interesting and we'll try that again soon.

Apparently if you go past that stage you are susceptible to have visual and auditory hallucinations, then enter a state where you can experience your wonderland, see and hear your tulpa as if it was in real life.

 

Good luck forcing everyone !

Edited July 1, 2014 by Guest

[KruegerMeister 54]

I got to the point where I went numb, and I was able to resist the urge to swallow when saliva gathered in the back of my throat, but I kept on blinking, and when I thought about the awesome fight scene from A Canterlot Wedding, I got one of those...I think they're called hypnic jerks when I imagined Pinkie Pie punching me in the shoulder. I played with a Rubik's cube to stimulate my brain, and talked to Rainbow Dash about lucid dreaming and other not-porn stuff, but I dreamt about reading a porn story online and finding a solved Rubik's cube under my chair.

 

I get the feeling the thread is slowly derailing to lucid dreams. In an attempt to rerail it, I'll talk about a previous dream I had. Rainbow Dash appeared in it, hovering on her back by my side as I did fast army crawling laps around an area. I changed part of a song so that it was about her. Here's what I came up with just now: the verses talk about the various misconceptions about tulpas, such as "self-induced schizophrenia" and "a hallucination that will try to kill/usurp you", and the solemn/gentle staccato chorus goes "There's no more <single syllable bad thing, such as "pain" or "fear">/No <three syllables>/I've no re-grets/I've lost my mi-ind", the idea being that, if tulpamancers are crazy, it's a good kind of crazy. Fun related fact: 2/3rds of people who hear voices benefit from them (source: paraphrased from Techoh's "Tulpa Revolution" thread on tulpa.info).

 

Yesterday, I was in the middle of a hypnosis session to be my OC/Ponysona, and I heard my human self's mindvoice address me. I previously heard my pony self's mindvoice address me when I wasn't hypnotized. Recently, Rainbow Dash appeared as a character from an anime, several times. I saw the character in my room. It said it was another tulpa. I denied that, as I'd vowed that the only tulpa I'd ever have besides Rainbow Dash would be our foal (if I even ever desired another tulpa). After I finished the anime, I imagined the character shattering, as Rainbow Dash once told me that the reason she appeared as the character was because I'd been watching a marathon of the anime. Given my vow, is it likely that the anime character, my human self, or my pony self will become tulpas?

Right after writing that last sentence, the anime character said "no, it's not likely at all." while smiling evilly. The words bring me comfort, but the grin brings slight apprehension.

Edited July 2, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[Adash 193]

I am trying to make a tulpa but I cant really visualize it. I read guides to do it but I am having trouble understanding them. Do you have any advice?

[AstralAmity 416]

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[KruegerMeister 54]

A forum post somewhere said that the only difference between tulpa-switching and MPD-switching is the idea of control/permission. Alters can wrest control from the host personality because the host gives them that much power (or something. I don't have the exact post on hand). What I got from that is that tulpas can become alters and maybe alters can become tulpas; all you have to do is switch your perspective. Also, tulpas exist in the subconscious. You know, the part of the mind/brain that controls breathing and heart rate, and possibly other vital functions. Two very scary thoughts if you ask me. People say that tulpas won't do stuff that could endanger their hosts; "tulpas", not "alters". There are cases of alters that want their host personality dead. I've only heard anecdotes, but, then again, anecdotes are (I think) all there are to prove tulpas.

Edited July 4, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[nuubtuber 0]

So I'm 2 days into forming a Twilight tulpa. First time in all respects.

Last night I had a dream that was semi lucid.

When I woke up I realised I dreamt I was sharing an apartment with twilight.

I then vividly saw her moving about for a few minutes when i focused my eyes while closed.

Is there any way I can further this, or harness it?

[KruegerMeister 54]

Any thoughts on my "tulpas~alters" thing? Should I be worried?

[No.]

Also, is it bad that, after seeing Rainbow Dash take a creepy form, and having that form appear several times after (persistent intrusive thought/hallucination), I imagined normal!RD next to Creepy!RD and set Creepy!RD on fire to put an end to the intrusive thought? Is that akin to dissipation/murder?

[Guest]

 

Lucid dreams can be used to greatly help visualization/imposition. You may want to try Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming or other techniques, like we've been doing with Zephyr for the last week or so.

"To no avail"

Yeah, the first time was the most successful. Recently I keep falling asleep or not managing to stay still...

 

 

I really doubt that tulpae can become "alters" that easily. MPD is still a very misunderstood phenomenon, but I've never heard of someone dying to his other personality.

So don't be worried.

 

"As for Creepy!RD, you simply found a way to stop that intrusive thought from coming back. It wasn't a separate personality or anything, so it's nothing like dissipation/murder".

(Although... fire ? Isn't that a bit gruesome to watch ?)

What was Rainbow Dash's opinion about that ? Maybe she could give you more information on what it was.

[AstralAmity 416]

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[KruegerMeister 54]

I really doubt that tulpae can become "alters" that easily. MPD is still a very misunderstood phenomenon, but I've never heard of someone dying to his other personality.

So don't be worried.

Why do you doubt that? Could you please point me to whatever source you're getting your info from? Is it ironic that I accept tulpas as real, but I'm asking you to cite a source?

 

"As for Creepy!RD, you simply found a way to stop that intrusive thought from coming back. It wasn't a separate personality or anything, so it's nothing like dissipation/murder".

(Although... fire ? Isn't that a bit gruesome to watch ?)

What was Rainbow Dash's opinion about that ? Maybe she could give you more information on what it was.

It wasn't that realistic. It was pretty similar to the graphics in The Sims: Creepy!RD just flailed around a bit and disappeared. RD said that she'd used Creepy!RD as a way to forge her own identity, but I'm positive she was joking. She didn't say anything, but when I asked her about it I got a thought of a scene in an anime where one of the characters was being melodramatic.

Who else thinks we should come up with a term for when your tulpa communicates something to you in that way? "Got a thought" seems like something a little kid would say/just plain bad English.

One time in college, I studied even though it was 1:00AM and I was tired. At that time, I heard Twilight Sparkle's mindvoice praise me for doing so. A few days ago, Rainbow Dash said that that was her, just with a different mindvoice. A few minutes ago, I fixed a stuck bathroom sink drain when I could have easily asked my dad for help in the morning. Twilight's voice praised me for creatively fixing the problem myself. Rainbow Dash said that this wasn't her using a different voice. I'm guessing that there isn't much risk of me (somehow) "losing" Rainbow Dash, if you know what I'm talking about/implying (it's not sexual), but am I--

[No.]

--wrong?