Bronies, hive of child molestation

[Bright Honor 2,655]

Unfortunately I would not doubt it given its based on a show aimed at young girls.

[Luigi 7,869]

39 minutes ago, CypherHoof said:

Debunks that bit, at least. But the thread claims the guy vanished then was found in his hotel room with an underage girl, banned from the conference, then the management overruled staff and brought him back.  Presumably its statements like that (and that "more than 100 individuals had made accusations of assault, that the allegations were corroborated and that [there were] mounds of testimony") that are actionable as purported statements of fact, so will be the focus of the lawsuit he has running against them.

switching away from twitter, there are articles like this:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/18/20870541/vic-mignogna-metoo-accusations-defamation-lawsuit-anti-slapp-laws

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/09/06/in-animes-metoo-moment-vic-mignogna-a-no-show-at-tarrant-county-hearing-and-his-case-is-mostly-an-unholy-mess/

https://io9.gizmodo.com/one-of-anime-s-biggest-voices-accused-of-sexual-harassm-1832390505

Still, trial by media and by twitter can often be misleading; we will have to see how the court case comes out, given that will be a more formal procedure.

This is starting to derail the thread. I suggest we bring any further discussion over this to a PM to avoid negative attention from staff

[CypherHoof 26,482]

4 minutes ago, Monado_Dash said:

This is starting to derail the thread. I suggest we bring any further discussion over this to a PM to avoid negative attention from staff

Or possibly a new thread? I am not sure how much a VA's #MeToo problem is a "brony" problem, per the topic...

[Steve Piranha 29,419]

Curious, is this user from FIM fiction be that glass of water by any chance ?

https://www.fimfiction.net/user/55475/Azure+Sandora

[KatonRyu 1,033]

Honestly, I don't think the points this guy raises are technically wrong. I do think that in this fandom, as well as in most others, or really in any more or less 'close' community, or really society as a whole, a lot of stuff is going on that is being consistently and deliberately silenced by the 'powers that be', until they see fit to use it as blackmail material to destroy someone's life in one way or another. That said, the broad generalizations that are being made here, which essentially paint everyone in the fandom as being either a pedophile or an apologist, are just hurting his own credibility.

I sort of agree with the fact that there's a lot of Rule 34 on open display, but the same goes for just about every 'general' anime convention I've ever been to. And even then, there are a lot of people there who give precisely zero fucks about all of that and who are just there for actor panels or merchandise of a more 'wholesome' nature. Grouping them in with pedophiles or apologists just because they're there and don't care about what other people they have no connection with other than liking the same show are up to is a bit too callous for my tastes.

I think a large part of the issue with cons is that a lot of the more 'vocal' fans tend to go there, and I've noticed in various fandoms that those 'vocal' fans are also often quite unhinged, or at the very least very socially inept. Put a lot of people like that in the same place, and you have a situation which is, indeed, not really the best one for children to be in — albeit usually not because of predatory behavior, more 'regular' colossal social ineptitude. I don't really see much of a solution for that, either, without also hurting all the casual fans who go to such cons, and who probably make up the majority of the people attending cons.

The organization's stance on 'avoiding drama' is one that's unfortunate, but understandable from their perspective. An accusation of pedophilia, whether it's true or not, is going to have enormous impact on the con in one way or another. Before anything is made public, I believe all facts should be checked, and the accused should at the very least get a chance to defend themselves before being publicly crucified, as tends to happen in our age of social media. It's far too easy for anyone to manipulate screenshots or withhold crucial information to simply go off of any one picture or conversation snippet or whatever else someone might throw online. In those cases, I believe an official statement should only be made after an investigation is conducted.

Of course, such investigations don't always happen if people are actively protecting each other or actively frustrating any ongoing research. This isn't the cut-and-dry case it's being presented as in the video. I'm not willing to dismiss what this guy says out of hand just because I don't like him (and judging from this one video, I really don't), but neither am I willing to jump on the 'burn the witch' bandwagon without any more information. In my opinion, neither should anyone else. You can, of course, believe whatever you want, but my personal view is that every story has multiple sides, as is the case with the recent drama around Youtuber ProJared. He told people his side of the conversation, along with giving all the evidence he had, and then just basically told people to choose what to believe for themselves. I don't think any accusation should be either dismissed or believed without knowing both sides of the story, but in today's society every single statement or accusation seems to create an almost bipolar mood swing in entire communities and that would understandably make organizations reluctant to act on any information.

The bottom line is that I simply don't know enough about the specific cases that are being mentioned in this video (or even who the people involved are) to really believe or disbelieve any of it. I believe problems like this exist in every community, fan-related or otherwise, but for the life of me I don't know what the correct solution to the problem might be.

[Rarity Gemstones 201]

Usually videos like the described who utilize objective titles such as "BronyCons are a hive of child molestation", they are usually ironically based upon minor evidence and small incidents that are not the norm.

I rule in favor of this man speaking in hyperbole by boosting the signal for isolated incidents to push his own agenda.

[Prince Firemane 309]

Lily Orchard is the most vile, disgusting, hateful, fascist person within the fandom and our community would be much better off without her. She is bitter, angry and only wants to start drama in order to sate her own undeserved sense of moral outrage. Such outrage including people who disagree with her, people who enjoy serialized storytelling and anyone less liberal-minded than her. Her first answer is violence when solving problems and will try to destroy you if you don't agree with her. Just ask Josh Scorcher, her ex-fiance and even her own mother on that one.

This isn't the first time Lily has accused the brony community of harboring pedophiles and it surely won't be the last. She doesn't actually care about the wellbeing of anyone in the fandom, surprise to absolutely no one. She wants to avoid people bringing up Stockholm, her own foalcon story because she loathes it when people bring up her past actions as criticism, despite using the past as a point of attack herself.

The last time she made one of these videos against the brony community, she used Derpibooru and FiMFiction as points of reference to hives of depravity. She focused on Dedpibooru specifically, deliberately ignoring FiMFiction because to address it in detail would be to draw attention to the fact that she has actively contributed to the problem she claims to loathe. She tries so hard to deny Stockholm's existence even though there's an audio clip from one of her videos outright admitting that she wrote it. 

I could go on but to make a long story short, Lily Orchard is the last person with any kind of leg to stand on on this topic. She might have one or two good points here and there, but they're completely overshadowed by her violent hatred, toxicity, hypocracy and her actions as an all-around loathsome human being. 

[Steve Piranha 29,419]

3 hours ago, Prince Firemane said:

Lily Orchard is the most vile, disgusting, hateful, fascist person within the fandom and our community would be much better off without her. She is bitter, angry and only wants to start drama in order to sate her own undeserved sense of moral outrage. Such outrage including people who disagree with her, people who enjoy serialized storytelling and anyone less liberal-minded than her. Her first answer is violence when solving problems and will try to destroy you if you don't agree with her. Just ask Josh Scorcher, her ex-fiance and even her own mother on that one.

This isn't the first time Lily has accused the brony community of harboring pedophiles and it surely won't be the last. She doesn't actually care about the wellbeing of anyone in the fandom, surprise to absolutely no one. She wants to avoid people bringing up Stockholm, her own foalcon story because she loathes it when people bring up her past actions as criticism, despite using the past as a point of attack herself.

The last time she made one of these videos against the brony community, she used Derpibooru and FiMFiction as points of reference to hives of depravity. She focused on Dedpibooru specifically, deliberately ignoring FiMFiction because to address it in detail would be to draw attention to the fact that she has actively contributed to the problem she claims to loathe. She tries so hard to deny Stockholm's existence even though there's an audio clip from one of her videos outright admitting that she wrote it. 

I could go on but to make a long story short, Lily Orchard is the last person with any kind of leg to stand on on this topic. She might have one or two good points here and there, but they're completely overshadowed by her violent hatred, toxicity, hypocracy and her actions as an all-around loathsome human being. 

Yeah, I’ve realized the kind of person she is by watching another video out of curiosity because it was within my recommendations (possibly because of the one I’ve posted here). Funny enough, I found out she holds an account in EQD which I’ve happened to stumble upon by having a blast with the Pony Life freak out yesterday 

[Miss 6,228]

A lot of what she said is definitely true about Toonkritic. I'm unfamiliar with the other 2 people she mentioned, as I have only been involved with the Bronycon community at the beginning of this year. 

That statement at the end of the video is a pretty crazy one and I think that aligns more with what people were saying before "takes things out of proportion" but at the same time in this community there are many people who don't like to become involved in drama and when shit goes down they stay silent/ignore it even though they could have said something. 

So yea, first time actually hearing of this woman, but I have seen her SU videos recommended. I will def. watch more of her, as I feel she has something to add within a community full of bystanders. 

Edited November 14, 2019 by Misscellanio

[Prince Firemane 309]

25 minutes ago, Misscellanio said:

A lot of what she said is definitely true about Toonkritic. I'm unfamiliar with the other 2 people she mentioned, as I have only been involved with the Bronycon community at the beginning of this year. 

That statement at the end of the video is a pretty crazy one and I think that aligns more with what people were saying before "takes things out of proportion" but at the same time in this community there are many people who don't like to become involved in drama and when shit goes down they stay silent/ignore it even though they could have said something. 

So yea, first time actually hearing of this woman, but I have seen her SU videos recommended. I will def. watch more of her, as I feel she has something to add within a community full of bystanders. 

Indeed, there are a lot of people who don't want to speak on issues that don't involve them and that has been a problem. Lily castigates the entire community for not speaking out on Toon sooner and that it shouldn't have reached that point. My question is: where was Lily before her video? The idea that "this should have been talked about sooner" is a non-argument because while it sounds good in hindsight when the sins have been committed and the dots connected, in reality it's harder to see things go down in real time. It happens, some people are less perceptive than others.

My problem with Lily here is that she acts as if not speaking for any reason is tantamount to being Toon's enabler,  and she has the gall to make such a video and demand that she not be held to the standards she holds to everyone else. She asks why people weren't talking like this about Toon sooner, I ask why wasn't she? Making a few comments here and there isn't enough, not when you want people to make scathing videos. It goes both ways and Lily refuses to acknowledge that. The fact is, Lily wants to get outraged about the very thing she's guilty of: ignoring the Toon problem until it escalated to the point of pedophilia.

Yes, Lily kinda has a point but it's not a new point made. The fact is, Lily is parroting back points already made by a bunch of other people but wants people to think she's the only one making them. Despite what Lily would have you believe, most people already thought Toon was a scumbag before the leaks, just not that it went this deep. 

[Miss 6,228]

1 hour ago, Prince Firemane said:

Indeed, there are a lot of people who don't want to speak on issues that don't involve them and that has been a problem. Lily castigates the entire community for not speaking out on Toon sooner and that it shouldn't have reached that point. My question is: where was Lily before her video? The idea that "this should have been talked about sooner" is a non-argument because while it sounds good in hindsight when the sins have been committed and the dots connected, in reality it's harder to see things go down in real time. It happens, some people are less perceptive than others.

My problem with Lily here is that she acts as if not speaking for any reason is tantamount to being Toon's enabler,  and she has the gall to make such a video and demand that she not be held to the standards she holds to everyone else. She asks why people weren't talking like this about Toon sooner, I ask why wasn't she? Making a few comments here and there isn't enough, not when you want people to make scathing videos. It goes both ways and Lily refuses to acknowledge that. The fact is, Lily wants to get outraged about the very thing she's guilty of: ignoring the Toon problem until it escalated to the point of pedophilia.

Yes, Lily kinda has a point but it's not a new point made. The fact is, Lily is parroting back points already made by a bunch of other people but wants people to think she's the only one making them. Despite what Lily would have you believe, most people already thought Toon was a scumbag before the leaks, just not that it went this deep. 

Like I said in my comment, I just found out about her now, so I can't really reply to your message in any meaningful way to either support her or agree with you or some other nuance. But yes I knew many people who thought Toon was a scumbag, so there's that. 

[Prince Firemane 309]

1 hour ago, Misscellanio said:

Like I said in my comment, I just found out about her now, so I can't really reply to your message in any meaningful way to either support her or agree with you or some other nuance. But yes I knew many people who thought Toon was a scumbag, so there's that. 

Meh, it is what it is. I won't hold it against anyone if they enjoy Lily's content. 

[Miss 6,228]

12 minutes ago, Prince Firemane said:

Meh, it is what it is. I won't hold it against anyone if they enjoy Lily's content. 

Like I just said, I ONLY JUST HEARD OF HER. THIS IS THE ONLY VIDEO I HAVE SEEN FROM HER. 

 

[Fritzy 1,691]

7 minutes ago, Misscellanio said:

Like I just said, I ONLY JUST HEARD OF HER. THIS IS THE ONLY VIDEO I HAVE SEEN FROM HER. 

 

There’s no need to yell. We know this is the only video you’ve seen from her. Calm down. 

[Miss 6,228]

59 minutes ago, Larksy said:

There’s no need to yell. We know this is the only video you’ve seen from her. Calm down. 

I wasn’t yelling XD just emphasizing what I said cuz it was missed in the first comment. 

Cant yell in a comment

Edited November 15, 2019 by Misscellanio

[Steve Piranha 29,419]

17 hours ago, Misscellanio said:

I wasn’t yelling XD just emphasizing what I said cuz it was missed in the first comment. 

Cant yell in a comment

Well, all caps is universally interpreted as yelling. I suggest using emojis next time you wanna emphasize in caps 

[Miss 6,228]

55 minutes ago, Steve Piranha said:

Well, all caps is universally interpreted as yelling. I suggest using emojis next time you wanna emphasize in caps 

Meh, not a big deal if someone online thinks I'm yelling. There were no "!!!" 

[Oblivion 20,266]

Nothing to really to see here, honestly anytime there are large groups of people together in one place and multiple conventions happen there is going to be some nasty things that happen from time to time. Its all retaliative honestly, for instance if you look at the entirety of the human race as one giant fandom then there are things that happen that'd make any normal persons stomach churn....People are people and there are bad apples in every large crowd is what id deduct from all this.   

[EpicEnergy 23,196]

Sure there are probably some child molesters who watch MLP, but that doesn't mean everyone who watches MLP is a child molester.

[Jesse Terrence 2,968]

Not quite.

Honestly, the cons are more likely nests of swingers than of pedos. There's a reason we call BABSCon "crabscon".

I can't say there are no pedos in the fandom. There has always been one or two filthbags keeping a low profile and getting their preys around, and back in the day anons used to dig the dirt and then doxx and destroy the scum (when anons were the majority in the fandom). Unfortunately, I've noticed several horse famous people turn out to be pedos. Dunno if it's they feel untouchable after reaching status and just let their worst parts surface or power corrupts them as they taste a twisted sense of liberty and lose themselves into the abyss. It doesn't help the higher celebrity circles in the fandom are far too "open minded" and support most sexual stances.

Toonkritic is a great example on how stardom in the fandom comes with celebrity invulnerability and how those who know take far too long to make a move in the right direction and horse famous people get away with things for too long.

I have also noticed that tranny youtubers around the fandom love to profit on controversy and drama. There's that other dude with a super manly voice and a tanned girl with purple hair avatar that does something alike with clickbait thumbnails (can't recall the name).

Alas, the fandom has a terrible reputation thanks to a few monsters who were cynical and proudly paraded themselves as bronies and used our name to shield themselves as they kept doing their crimes.

[Splashee 28,563]

This thing again.

Bronies are weirdos yes.

[Ittoni 538]

buddy... any place could be a hive for child molesters given how common they appear to be. Of course any place or thing that is for children to enjoy will be an easy access place for this people, just like places that are specifically for treating mental disorders, specially suicide, are a hive for trolls, bullies, abusers, whose intention is to drive someone off the cliff given the opportunity to get close to it either plainly on sight or in disguise. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by Ittoni

[doomie-22 19]

On 2019-09-18 at 8:22 AM, Kamii said:

 I haven't heard of such cases except for ToonKriticY2K's (which left a bad taste in everyone's mouths)

 

On 2019-09-18 at 12:18 PM, Miss Kitty Cathy said:

I've yet to hear of more stories of it than I can count on my hands, perhaps even If (hypothetical, would never do this) I cut a couple of fingers off each of them.

You’ve been living under a rock if you don’t know about all the predator brony musicians and artists.

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

Every fandom has its bad apples, no way around it. The worst thing people can do is exaggerate and generalize because that lie may spread like wildfire and the whole thing collapses sooner or later. 

[Cash In 22,247]

Unfortunately, this sort of thing is everywhere. It's not super common, but it does exist, which sadly is just how things are.