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As the song hijacks the throat node, neither alicorn would be able to speak as they are forced to continue the song.

Fuoco, having to close her own throat node, would of necessity have already stopped playing.

Also, since Blu and Fuoco are both present, if you're doing mind altering aspects on one you'll have to describe what the other is seeing as well, or somehow also subject the other to the same alteration.

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8 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Evil Pink One

As the song hijacks the throat node, neither alicorn would be able to speak as they are forced to continue the song.

Fuoco, having to close her own throat node, would of necessity have already stopped playing.

Also, since Blu and Fuoco are both present, if you're doing mind altering aspects on one you'll have to describe what the other is seeing as well, or somehow also subject the other to the same alteration.

 

Oh no, the city inside IS under fire.

And there are no illusions. Although there are shadow manipulation magic. shallow and toothpaste pony knows this spell ( forgot her name...)

 

No it the one who likes hands... Unicorn. Forgot her dang name Lyra!

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1 minute ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Evil Pink One

I'm confused as to the sequence of events, it is unclear what events have still happened and what events have no longer happened.

Can you recap the sequence of events and the present state of things?

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The guards point their spears at you.

Tiara defends you.

Alicorn fell to sleep.

Tiara defends you

Alpha supports her. Goes near you two.

Infected lyra attacked. 

Alpha counters but failed.

Lyra sinks back and escaped

Alpha rushed towards the alicorn to defend them.

Flurry heart was already infected all along.

Alpha yells at blu to kill her.

Blu is probably near at this point and hasn't done finding a good vantage point, since trouble already happened.

I believe i have not missed anything... I think...

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On 2024-03-18 at 11:44 AM, Illiad Easle said:

So nothing is on fire then?

How is Flurry awake already after having been drained of all her energy by the trap song? 

She isn't :griiin:

Remember when fuoco almost got infected and started hearing voices.... Hmm familiar?( looks at flurry):manic-laughter:

Everyones already infected!!! Well only the ponyville ones. Hense fire on the empire, not because of flurry but the invasion is starting. I mean what better time to initiate the invasion than this? The princess got weak and now easily suseptabable from the mind control of the infection! Khehk:crackle:

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@Evil Pink One

I think that qualifies as enough support for Fuoco to proceed forward and for Blu to follow up the rear. You can continue.

An idea that came to mind, perhaps Fuoco's magic could resonate with the crystal heart as she approaches the center of the empire? Supposing of course that the heart is still there and not corrupted in some way. This resonance would slightly boost Fuoco's range and power, enough for her to notice but not enough to make her too much more powerful. Supposing they secure the city, Fuoco could practice with the heart to further improve her ability to harmonize with it, maybe serving as a key for repelling the infection using her magic with the heart?

 

Just a though, I don't want to get in the way if you had other plans for it.

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3 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Evil Pink One

I think that qualifies as enough support for Fuoco to proceed forward and for Blu to follow up the rear. You can continue.

An idea that came to mind, perhaps Fuoco's magic could resonate with the crystal heart as she approaches the center of the empire? Supposing of course that the heart is still there and not corrupted in some way. This resonance would slightly boost Fuoco's range and power, enough for her to notice but not enough to make her too much more powerful. Supposing they secure the city, Fuoco could practice with the heart to further improve her ability to harmonize with it, maybe serving as a key for repelling the infection using her magic with the heart?

 

Just a though, I don't want to get in the way if you had other plans for it.

That is a great idea!.....

So fuoco would resonate with the heart.... 

So fuoco would resonate with the heart?......

How 🤣 I don't wanna be mean to her but....her? :zipp-wut:

Or maybe im just not seeing something in her? Or shes gonna work her way to peace and tranquility; love and what not? Cuz... Cuz I don't see that in her.... Or this might be her turning point?

And also the heart is connected with Flurry heart. So i think it would be quite accurate to corrupt it at this point and make Fuoco un corrupt it? Then shell learn to be at peace with herself and finally learn the heart and her own heart as well? Hmmmm

 

 

OR.... she forces the corrupted heart in her as she is being manipulated by the corruption of Asthenia. The alicorn that got her head shot.

( Asthenia and Mara merged and is fighting control over their united body hence they arent directly showing up like before. Now they're using Beta to control everything.

As one can remember, beta has a disabled back and her lower half doesn't work. Hence a machine would be placed their to assist her as per my drawing back then on sweetie bell.

It was actually ran by magic and one of sweetie bells ace in it is puppetry magic. With the added potency of the mind control of the corruption, she is even more potent in her puppetry ways! muhahahaha....)

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By resonate I meant in a musical sense rather than a magical one. Fuoco's music causes the heart to vibrate, which serves as a weak magical amplifier to the magic of the song. To Fuoco, the heart would just be a resonance crystal, and the Empire a perfect sound stage. Her trauma and flaws are likely what prevents the heart from fully harmonizing with her, hence why it is only a minor boost. But maybe sufficient exposure to the heart would help heal her?

 

I'm talking months of exposure though, she's been traumatized for years.

 

Does that make sense?

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27 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

By resonate I meant in a musical sense rather than a magical one. Fuoco's music causes the heart to vibrate, which serves as a weak magical amplifier to the magic of the song. To Fuoco, the heart would just be a resonance crystal, and the Empire a perfect sound stage. Her trauma and flaws are likely what prevents the heart from fully harmonizing with her, hence why it is only a minor boost. But maybe sufficient exposure to the heart would help heal her?

 

I'm talking months of exposure though, she's been traumatized for years.

 

Does that make sense?

Yup. Its like she's still learning or knowing her heart and the crystal heart is actually trying to help her and it too wanted help because it is corrupted.

And the real flurry heart is trapped inside... But actually she is being protected and was locked inside... Etc. what ya think? 

And when they freed the empire she'd be the one mastering the heart and slowly regain back equestria...

That's kinda nice... Mhm mhm 👺

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@Evil Pink One

We should discuss the nature of Fuoco's interaction with the Heart, as we don't appear to be on the same page.

I was envisioning an interaction that was primarily musical, and secondarily magical. The Heart, being crystal, will vibrate when hit with certain frequencies, causing a harmonic frequency to be emitted by the crystal's vibration. Additionally, as the heart is magical, it could be said to repeat the spell, albeit weaker, that the musical frequency carried.

That is to say, the Heart resonates in response to Fuoco's music, making this a one-way connection. Fuoco doesn't connect to the Heart nor is there communication from the heart to her, outside of perhaps an echo, albeit tainted in this case.

 

When Fuoco said she felt something, more accurately she noticed the resonant frequency, and given she could hear the magic in the resonance she had a feeling that her music was interacting with something magical capable of resonating with her music. She didn't have some sort of soul connection with it or anything.

 

So when the Heart is closer, she can tell better that the crystal is tainted, giving it isn't resonating properly or the magic being reflected is altered in some way. She is not trying to connect with the crystal, nor, again, does she have any sort of soul connection with it unless the heart is initiating it.

 

Does that make sense? Or did you have something entirely different in mind?

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1 hour ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Evil Pink One

We should discuss the nature of Fuoco's interaction with the Heart, as we don't appear to be on the same page.

I was envisioning an interaction that was primarily musical, and secondarily magical. The Heart, being crystal, will vibrate when hit with certain frequencies, causing a harmonic frequency to be emitted by the crystal's vibration. Additionally, as the heart is magical, it could be said to repeat the spell, albeit weaker, that the musical frequency carried.

That is to say, the Heart resonates in response to Fuoco's music, making this a one-way connection. Fuoco doesn't connect to the Heart nor is there communication from the heart to her, outside of perhaps an echo, albeit tainted in this case.

 

When Fuoco said she felt something, more accurately she noticed the resonant frequency, and given she could hear the magic in the resonance she had a feeling that her music was interacting with something magical capable of resonating with her music. She didn't have some sort of soul connection with it or anything.

 

So when the Heart is closer, she can tell better that the crystal is tainted, giving it isn't resonating properly or the magic being reflected is altered in some way. She is not trying to connect with the crystal, nor, again, does she have any sort of soul connection with it unless the heart is initiating it.

 

Does that make sense? Or did you have something entirely different in mind?

Yeah i kinda got it.

But fuoco had the taste of the infection and its connections no?she felt that  i stead of the usual response or effect she got with the "real heart" is what imteyin to say. So that's the fake heart.the real heart she can still feel but a bit farther than usual.

Well not really that far but probably somewhere in the castle

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I figured I'd run my idea by your first, see if I'm not missing an obvious path forward that you might have had in mind.

 

Here's my thought:

@Evil Pink One

Curse curse curse, how do you stop a curse?

When it came to musical curses, well, the answer was running out the song, or those playing the song. So for this, maybe she could drain it? But how to do that...

She did have an alicorn at her disposal...

It was a bit of a long shot, and it might not work, but it might also save everyone.

 

If she could still speak, she'd call out to Cozy again, "I need you to grab onto the heart, and hang on tight. Draw everything you can from it into yourself."

Then Fuoco would play the trap song again.

Her hope was that she would be able to drain the curse through Cozy. Or rather, by draining Cozy of all of her magic while she was connected to the cursed heart would by extension also drain the energy from the curse and those connected to it. She didn't think it would also affect the alicorn on the other side, as that alicorn had done something to escape the last trap, and even then could just sever their own connection to the heart to free themselves here if caught up in it.

But there was a chance that the trap song might also catch the alicorn on the other side.

 

If she could not call out, she would simply run directly away from the heart.

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I dont know if i should spoil it but.... Its just beta onside the heart makin a puppet of everyone. She got corrupted. Her bein maimed made her focus on control magic. Hence she can walk with her machine legs and actually control robots. But now she got infected, she did not focus on nerves of the legs or arms but into the brain and the nerves of others etc.

Hence why fuoco felt something going through her neck to her head

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Alright, so would grabbing and draining the energy like I described work? I imagine it would since she's just draining energy and since Beta is not an alicorn she'd run out before cozy does...

Or did you have another solution in mind?

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....? Shes hijacking the nervous system and the mind.... Hmm... Well as long as cozy doesnt get hijacked, but if she does she'd instantly stop draining the beta since beta would stop her and probably drain her instead.... But i dont think through nerves are where the magic passes through or something... Thats more of a chi right? Although magic IS involved for hijacking I don't know on how one can absorb magic through that. Usually a special or specific kind of magic is needed for that like tirek. And lets not forget that cozy has no ability like that. May it be cannon or not. The ones i know who can absorb in this world is.....

I dont think i set anyone through that....the amalgamation doesnt absorb magic btw she literally absorbs her host...hence why she became a grotesque monster. And the other one is by eating dreams....so i think those are different through magic..... 🤔 

Your ability doesn't absorb but siphons or bleed it out.

Maybe you can adjust your trap spell from alicorns only to "anyone".

That'd make her grow in strength....

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@Evil Pink One

All those partial statements make it difficult for me to parse and understand what you're suggesting or even trying to say.

Still, it does give me an idea, given she heard the voice and still assumes it's the alicorn she could reasonably think that it is control magic in play given she saw the alicorn use it back in the forest. So instead of using the trap spell (Which can only affect those with a developed throat node since it works by looping the node back on itself, so only her, alicorns, and sirens have that node sufficiently developed to be effective) she'd use the small amount of control magic she knows, hoping that, by leveraging the magic that tells everyone the song and choreography she can override Beta's control magic.

 

However, even if it got fully reversed and enthralled Beta herself, the control would only last so long as Fuoco plays, which doesn't solve the problem since Beta will be able to start again as soon as the song ends.

 

So that's two options that, for a variety of reasons either don't work or don't solve the problem, unless I'm missing something?

Even if breaking the heart would solve the problem, no character with that option has reason to believe it would.

 

Well, maybe Fuoco would think that, given her past and what happened to her sister. She could fight back with her control music to give Blu the opening to shatter the heart with his rifle. Is that the sort of thing you had in mind? Would that even work?

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38 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Evil Pink One

All those partial statements make it difficult for me to parse and understand what you're suggesting or even trying to say.

Still, it does give me an idea, given she heard the voice and still assumes it's the alicorn she could reasonably think that it is control magic in play given she saw the alicorn use it back in the forest. So instead of using the trap spell (Which can only affect those with a developed throat node since it works by looping the node back on itself, so only her, alicorns, and sirens have that node sufficiently developed to be effective) she'd use the small amount of control magic she knows, hoping that, by leveraging the magic that tells everyone the song and choreography she can override Beta's control magic.

 

However, even if it got fully reversed and enthralled Beta herself, the control would only last so long as Fuoco plays, which doesn't solve the problem since Beta will be able to start again as soon as the song ends.

 

So that's two options that, for a variety of reasons either don't work or don't solve the problem, unless I'm missing something?

Even if breaking the heart would solve the problem, no character with that option has reason to believe it would.

 

Well, maybe Fuoco would think that, given her past and what happened to her sister. She could fight back with her control music to give Blu the opening to shatter the heart with his rifle. Is that the sort of thing you had in mind? Would that even work?

Sorry i was typing and walking at that time. And on a meeting, so i had to type quick... 😆 

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As per now the only thing i might add to it is if first off all. Fuoco needs to deal with the invincible thing crawling up her neck and slowly into her brain.

If she let it continue, Beta will try and control her. Usually beta cant do that, but she is infected... She controls machines and living beings now.

I guess there they can try and struggle for control. While blu tries to shoot the heart and weaken it.

Also the reason why Beta is having a hard time with Tiara is because of Tiara's cutie mark which i have established. Whatever she wants she gets, as per her cutie marks ability stated on the episodes on mlp gen4.( Forgot what episode it was... 🤔)

( Im planning for tiara to make her cutie mark over charged and makin it strong enough tobecome mind controlakong her Carbon Crown.)

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17 minutes ago, Evil Pink One said:

is because of Tiara's cutie mark which i have established. Whatever she wants she gets, as per her cutie marks ability stated on the episodes on mlp gen4.

This is something we've disagreed on before, but I'll let it slide since it's your world. That being said, the show wiki doesn't indicate that marks grant power except in rare cases, and outside of curses it is only ever depicted in alicorns. A great example of marks not giving abilities is the episode where twilight becomes a princess. Her friends marks all got switched, but they were all terrible at their new jobs. Having the mark did not grant the ability.

The two cases where marks did grant abilities was with the pox, which is a curse and obligated action, and with the equality which could once again be considered a curse. No pony with the equals gained any ability, they were instead limited in their abilities.

The only example where abilities themselves were changed was when Luna and Celestia swapped, and they're alicorns so it could be argued that they each had the ability to do each others jobs anyway.

 

Regardless, your world, we'll do things your way.

22 minutes ago, Evil Pink One said:

 

( Im planning for tiara to make her cutie mark over charged and makin it strong enough tobecome mind controlakong her Carbon Crown.)

Look, whenever your plan is to have one of your characters solve the problem, I'd rather they just solve the problem. It feels pointless to have my characters try and solve the problem if your plan is just for them to try and fail so one of your characters can take care of it.

Since you plan to just have Tiara deal with it, we'll move forward with the idea I proposed, where Fuoco fights Beta for control, Blu shoots the heart, and Tiara deals with whatever she's dealing with. But in the future I'd prefer being able to meaningfully participate in the outcomes.

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44 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

That being said, the show wiki doesn't indicate that marks grant power except in rare cases, and outside of curses it is only ever depicted in alicorns. A great example of marks not giving abilities is the episode where twilight becomes a princess. Her friends marks all got switched, but they were all terrible at their new jobs. Having the mark did not grant the ability.

Mind control can be an ability you know. It works in our world remember? And we dont even have magic. Mind control can be a talent. Hence why tiara can ask anything what she wants from her dad. She even threatened her mom with that ability. And who knows? Maybe her ability doesn't just involve her dad to begin with. Perhaps maybe... That's why she's the mayor?:devious:

Perhaps.... Hmmm i wonder with this Tiara.....:griiin:

48 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

Look, whenever your plan is to have one of your characters solve the problem, I'd rather they just solve the problem. It feels pointless to have my characters try and solve the problem if your plan is just for them to try and fail so one of your characters can take care of it.

Since you plan to just have Tiara deal with it, we'll move forward with the idea I proposed, where Fuoco fights Beta for control, Blu shoots the heart, and Tiara deals with whatever she's dealing with. But in the future I'd prefer being able to meaningfully participate in the outcomes.

Oh no no i still have no plans for tiara on this one specifically. It doesn't fit right yet.

I still plan for beta to lose here and give fuoco the real heart.

50 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

Since you plan to just have Tiara deal with it, we'll move forward with the idea I proposed, where Fuoco fights Beta for control, Blu shoots the heart, and Tiara deals with whatever she's dealing with. But in the future I'd prefer being able to meaningfully participate in the outcomes.

Tiara in a way could not be controlled at this point or Beta is having a hard time trying too. So at this point if fuoco joins in either by blasting the thing with blu or simply helping tiara hinder Beta and Blu blasting the heart. Or maybe you have something in mind. Hence me just waiting and gonna react to what you might do. Who knows? you might do something else more entertaining and sort. Like the trap or perhaps the mind control fight. 

At first i just thought fuoco and Blu might end up trying to blow the thing up so i thought maybe i should use the controlled ponies to block it so at least Beta would have some kind of a fight and don't look like a push over boss fight.

I mean i do plan her to lose here, but it would kinda suck if she lost so easily.

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4 hours ago, Evil Pink One said:

Mind control can be an ability you know.

Yes, I know that, I wasn't saying that she couldn't have mind control abilities, I was just saying that her abilities would produce the mark, not the other way around.

So, in the example, she would supercharge her abilities, causing her mark to glow, not supercharge her mark, causing her abilities to improve.

Regardless, it's the same effect, the difference is semantics at this point.

 

4 hours ago, Evil Pink One said:

i still have no plans for tiara on this one

Looking back on your previous post I see now you said this:

5 hours ago, Evil Pink One said:

Im planning for tiara to make her cutie mark over charged and makin it strong enough tobecome mind controlakong her Carbon Crown.)

As some future plan, not as the plan for this encounter right now. Sorry.

 

It sounds like we've reached a better understanding now, I'll go ahead and post.

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3 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

So, in the example, she would supercharge her abilities, causing her mark to glow, not supercharge her mark, causing her abilities to improve.

Regardless, it's the same effect, the difference is semantics at this point

..ohhh yeah when i meant supercharged i mean like doamond tiara would nightmaremooned.... Her nightmare moon name wouuld be carbon crown that's what i meant of process... Gonna make Tiara corrupt.probably would trigger this corruption if it has something to do with Fuoco... Or slowly get there... 🤔 

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