Guns & Roses is better than Nirvana

[Maxmillian 136]

Because Axl Rose still continued to make music.

Other guy, ehem Kurt Cobain just gave up and inspired sad guys to come out.

 

So i say the one who hates life will lose that life. But one who tries to find goodness in it, truly lives.

[ZiggWheelsManning 11,768]

But on the other side of the coin, Axl's full tendency of creative control drove away Slash, Izzy, Duff and Matt when he was working 10 years to create the Chinese Democracy album  

[Maxmillian 136]

  On 2025-01-11 at 2:57 AM, ZiggWheelsManning said:

But on the other side of the coin, Axl's full tendency of creative control drove away Slash, Izzy, Duff and Matt when he was working 10 years to create the Chinese Democracy album  

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He was dealing through tough times for sure. I wish he made better choices for sure.

[ZiggWheelsManning 11,768]

@Maxmillian

What's more interesting is that the Guns performed live the Velvet Revolver (the band Slash and Duff once had with Scott Weiland) song "Slither" during their classic era reunion tours.  Was Dave Grohl in bands before Nirvana?  And did Nirvana perform covers of very young Dave Grohl stuff?  Foo Fighters ever played Nirvana covers?  

[Samurai Equine 53,144]

Based on what I've learned from the rivalry between G&R and Nirvana, I'd say any rivalry they once had was ultimately petty and immature on both of their parts. There was no winner in that situation; and I wouldn't be surprised if most people don't care. Maybe if you're a fan of the band, you might. But most people just want to listen to some good music and be on their way. You can cultivate whatever image you want, you can try to associate with those that fit the image/message you're going for; but you can't control how the world sees you. Things might have been better for either band if they had just let it go instead of making a big deal about it.

Though I will say, Kurt eventually lost his life. There is nothing funny about that. I heard that the members of G&R reached out and buried the hatchet between them and Nirvana. That was the mature thing to do. Life is sacred, and no amount of feuds or rivalries, no amount of questionable life choices will ever justify the loss of life. 

As for preferences, I can't say I have any.  I've only listen to a few songs by either band. It just depends on how I am feeling on the moment. If I want more of a classic hard rock or glam rock experience, I might listen to some Guns & Roses. If I want something about more grungy or punk, I'll listen to Nirvana.
As for the people themselves, that's a different matter. I wouldn't want to hang out with people that are disrespectful to the stage crew, the fans, or anyone else outside of the band. I've heard Axl can be very disrespectful in that manner. Not sure if it's still true, but if it is, I wouldn't want to hang out with him. I might enjoy his music, I might jam with him on stage (if I was part of a rock band), would even treat him with respect and professionalism, but I wouldn't want to hang out with him. On the other hand, I've heard nothing but amazing things about Dave Grohl and his band. I'd much rather hang out with him. I've also heard that the members of Metallica are actually pretty decent, respectful people. Wasn't sure if I would have hung out with them in the earlier days, but after Hetfield got out of rehab and started managing his anger issues? Yeah, probably would hang out with the band.

I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like to burn bridges with anyone. You don't have to make friends with everyone. There are times where you have to pick your friends carefully. But you never when treating people with respect and professionalism will pay off in the future. You never know when cutting ties with someone may come back to haunt you. Sure, you can stand for something important, just choose carefully what you're willing to take a stand on.

[Clawdeen 15,831]

  On 2025-01-06 at 10:35 AM, Maxmillian said:

Other guy, ehem Kurt Cobain just gave up and inspired sad guys to come out.

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Yeah that’s a real bad take you have made on mental health. We have users on this site who have openly shared their own struggles with mental health. We even have an entire section here dedicated so users can express and vent about whatever they are going through as a safe space. We also have users on this site who are apart of the lgbtq+ community themselves.

I understand not liking somebody and I don’t really care whether you like Kurt or not. 

However there are a lot of people suffering with mental health issues in the world right now, including users on this very site, and these sort of “jabs” aren’t funny. 

[Maxmillian 136]

  On 2025-01-19 at 10:58 AM, Clawdeen said:

Yeah that’s a real bad take you have made on mental health. We have users on this site who have openly shared their own struggles with mental health. We even have an entire section here dedicated so users can express and vent about whatever they are going through as a safe space. We also have users on this site who are apart of the lgbtq+ community themselves.

I understand not liking somebody and I don’t really care whether you like Kurt or not. 

However there are a lot of people suffering with mental health issues in the world right now, including users on this very site, and these sort of “jabs” aren’t funny. 

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Fair enough. I am not a health expert. But i know one thing.

Guns and Roses is friggin awesome!

 

[TheRockARooster 52,740]

I like Guns N' Roses and some Guns N’ Roses songs although I think they’re overrated.

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[ZiggWheelsManning 11,768]

  On 2025-01-21 at 7:05 AM, TheRockARooster said:

I like Guns N' Roses and some Guns N’ Roses songs although I think they’re overrated.

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What of "You Could Be Mine" by them?  Terminator 2 used it.  

[TheRockARooster 52,740]

  On 2025-01-22 at 10:21 PM, ZiggWheelsManning said:

What of "You Could Be Mine" by them?  Terminator 2 used it.  

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That’s a good song, Zigg. 

[Maxmillian 136]

Do you think "Kurt Cobain" created the sad guys and incel movement without knowing it? The whole (Sensitive man) idea.

 

Which has kinda backfired. The only way a guy can be responsible and not be a quote on quote, violent or rapist is. Be a man. Thats the only way.

I guess killing women for not getting laid isnt exactly an improvement.

 

But Nirvana music seems to be about that. Sad guy energy, its horrible.

 

In my view i think Axl Rose won! In the end. (Welcome to the Jungle) is still awesome til this day. And while he had a rough childhood i think he seems like a guy who can be redeemable over lets say, giving up on life.

But its why i like Guns and Roses more. It has energy but also some hard hitting lyrics. I think only grunge band i liked is "Alice in Chains" because it is both chill and energetic stuff!

 

Edited March 21 by Samurai Equine

[abronymouse 6,131]

my brother liked Nirvana... I was never a fan. It did seem kinda whingy  

I always saw it as more of a teen boy thing - it's tough finding your hooves for boys growing up, ofc, and especially in America. 

I will say that I absolute love the homophone "hollow", "how low" and "hello" in Teen Spirit. It's silly, petty and a bit poignant.

in contrast, so many of his lyrics are like nails on a chalk board to me
 

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Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend

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gun / fun 

 friends / pretend 

also, saying its "fun to lose" is what frustrated 8 year old boys say when they realise that another boy's faster than them in the playground. generally while having a tantrum 

as to whether Kurt started the "sensitive man" thing. I'd say... he spoke to frustrated teen boys, while personally being a genuine mess. Sadly, some of the best people to speak to frustrated young men, struggle to mature themselves and cling to their own unhealthy teenage habits. For Kurt that was absolutely fatal, as he was very badly damaged and needed help.  Irritatingly, teenage boys at the time saw that as ultimate evidence of his coolness and authenticity, rather than what it was.

Anyway, frustrated teenage boys have always existed, and Kurt would have had no time for the pretensions of the incel movement. I think. But he did seem to share the same shabby mindset of being obsessed by women, being too screwed up to form a healthy relationship with the object of his obsession, violently despising himself for it and projecting that self-hatred onto others as edginess in order to make himself feel a bit better (while knowing he never can actually feel better because of this cycle).

Guns n Roses are better, but still aren't entirely my bag

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Welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games
We got everything you want, honey, we know the names

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AAARGH. Not one but two songs that start with that crappy word "fun"

I love the concept of fun. But the word fun doesn't do it justice. "Fun" is anything but fun. And yes I know that sounds like "butt fun". But I am too angry to appreciate that right now 

*calm calm*

okay, I really like "Welcome to the jungle" as a phrase I dunno why

the other lyrics are atrocious to me, but lyrics aren't why anyone listens to these guys anyway  

Edited March 11 by abronymouse

[SkarletVoid 136]

  On 2025-01-06 at 10:35 AM, Maxmillian said:

 

Other guy, ehem Kurt Cobain just gave up and inspired sad guys to come out

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He inspired people to be more open with their emotions. More people would end up killing themselves if they didn't learn to try to work through it. Him giving up doesn't make him weak. It all became too much for him at a certain point. And unfortunately he was successful in his attempt. I have been there. And fortunately I was never successful at my attempts. I write very depressive music because of all the abuse I've suffered. It is an outlet for me. Meanwhile, unless I'm manic, I am generally a very happy person. As was he, in videos I've seen outside of his music.