Could Princess Celestia Defeat Superman? Could Other Alicorns/Unicorns?

[Zalgo 593]

Just because she isn't omniscient doesn't mean she cant learn about these abilities. If Sleepless in Ponyville is anything to show, Luna and Celestia can enter peoples dreams, and their thoughts. This implies that she could read Supermans mind and find out many of his secrets and weaknesses.

 

Plus the powerful magic at her disposal, despite the fact Superman isn't weak to it, is still enough to bring him down.

Luna is the only one shown to be able to enter dreams, and probably the only one capable.

It is Luna's domain, after all.

 

Buuuuuut, Celestia might be able to read people's minds. Maybe. Honestly, we don't have enough information about Celestia to determine a winner.

 

Even so, does Kryptonite even exist in Equestria?

 

Wouldn't turning the sun red be potentially harmful to Equestria?

 

Anyway, I actually never said who I thought would win yet, so:

 

What is known of Celestia so far<Superman

 

If Celestia is more powerful than she is shown, she might be able to take him down

 

And who's personality/character do I like more?

Celestia.

(Now that doesn't mean I dislike superman, it just means I like Celestia more)

 

We need more threads like this

 

 

My excessive use of the emote is annoying myself

Edited January 6, 2013 by Zalgo

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

First, to determine whether Celestia's magic would be an advantage against Supes or not, you have to know what she can do with it. I can remember 5 forms of magic used by Celestia.

 

1. Telekinesis - she lifts her teacup in "Bird in the Hoof".  Would that help her against Supes? She could levitate him perhaps, but I think he'd be strong enough to just fly around anyway. Besides, unicorns have to point their horns at what they want to levitate first, and Supes is just too fast for her to be able to get him with it in the first place. One-nil to Supes.

 

2. Teleporting - at the end of "Lesson Zero". Again, I think Supes speed gives him the advantage. At the most it would be stalemate, since she could teleport away from him, but he'd follow her at superspeed, so she'd have to teleport again. Assuming she can do it indefinitely, it's a stalemate. Otherwise, Supes wins. She could teleport and immediately levitate him, but then we're back to point 1. Two-nil to Supes.

 

3. An attack as seen in "A Canterlot Wedding" which looks like a Solarbeam attack. Yellow sunlight energy would either not affect him or just power Supes up. For fairness, let's assume that it can damage him. Again, he's fast enough to dodge. One point each. Three-one to Supes.

 

4. Raise the sun/Lower the sun. For those who say Celestia could turn it into a red sun, how do you know she has much control over it? She makes it rise or set, she doesn't change it's nature in any way that we've seen. Raising the sun = useless against Supes. Lowering the sun = Supes still retains his powers for a while even at night, so he still wins. Four-one to... would you look at that... Supes.

 

5. Dark magic - Aha! Celestia can use dark magic. It's possible that a dark magic attack could harm Supes... but again, he is so fast it's unlikely she could hit him with it anyway. Five-two to Supes.

 

Given all of this, I think Supes is most likely to win. Celestia's best strategy is to teleport to a blind spot and then unleash a dark magic attack or (less likely to be successful) a white magic attack. Assuming Supes doesn't or isn't able to dodge it, she could conceivably win in that way. Soups best strategy is to fly at her from her blind spot and punch her into the Equestrian stratosphere. Based purely on odds, though, I'd bet on Superman.

Edited January 6, 2013 by Full Spectrum

[Jason Achilles 2]

First, to determine whether Celestia's magic would be an advantage against Supes or not, you have to know what she can do with it. I can remember 5 forms of magic used by Celestia.

 

1. Telekinesis - she lifts her teacup in "Bird in the Hoof".  Would that help her against Supes? She could levitate him perhaps, but I think he'd be strong enough to just fly around anyway. Besides, unicorns have to point their horns at what they want to levitate first, and Supes is just too fast for her to be able to get him with it in the first place. One-nil to Supes.

 

2. Teleporting - at the end of "Lesson Zero". Again, I think Supes speed gives him the advantage. At the most it would be stalemate, since she could teleport away from him, but he'd follow her at superspeed, so she'd have to teleport again. Assuming she can do it indefinitely, it's a stalemate. Otherwise, Supes wins. She could teleport and immediately levitate him, but then we're back to point 1. Two-nil to Supes.

 

3. An attack as seen in "A Canterlot Wedding" which looks like a Solarbeam attack. Yellow sunlight energy would either not affect him or just power Supes up. For fairness, let's assume that it can damage him. Again, he's fast enough to dodge. One point each. Three-one to Supes.

 

4. Raise the sun/Lower the sun. For those who say Celestia could turn it into a red sun, how do you know she has much control over it? She makes it rise or set, she doesn't change it's nature in any way that we've seen. Raising the sun = useless against Supes. Lowering the sun = Supes still retains his powers for a while even at night, so he still wins. Four-one to... would you look at that... Supes.

 

5. Dark magic - Aha! Celestia can use dark magic. It's possible that a dark magic attack could harm Supes... but again, he is so fast it's unlikely she could hit him with it anyway. Five-two to Supes.

 

Given all of this, I think Supes is most likely to win. Celestia's best strategy is to teleport to a blind spot and then unleash a dark magic attack or (less likely to be successful) a white magic attack. Assuming Supes doesn't or isn't able to dodge it, she could conceivably win in that way. Soups best strategy is to fly at her from her blind spot and punch her into the Equestrian stratosphere. Based purely on odds, though, I'd bet on Superman.

I don't think you're giving Celestia enough credit

 

1. Telekinesis and Strength- She constantly for hundreds of years was able to move the Sun and the Moon around the planet (which it is a planet because Lauren Faust did describe it being a lot like our universe) so she is able to hold the metric ton weight of 1,000,000 earths with relative ease, far more than anything Post-Crisis Superman has ever shown. Plus the fact she is supposed to be far stronger than any normal pony, and seeing how a lot of ponies can punch houses in half, I think she can handle him in a punching match. Though hed have to be holding back

 

2. Teleportation and Speed- Besides the fact that the Teleportation effect means she could teleport Superman to anywhere she wants (because Twilight demonstrated this with Spike) the fact that she is also supposed to be a much stronger and faster version of the horses, and the Mach Speed sound she made when she got the letter from Spike. It save to assume she is faster Rainbow Dash by a lot. Again it may not match Supermans top speed, but she wont be to defenseless.

 

3. Magic and Dark Magic- Firstly, that attack she threw at Chrysalis was not a Solar Beam, it was just her color of Magic that looks like the Sun, her magic doesn't have to revolve around one thing. Also Superman's weak to very powerful sorcerers, Celestia is the most powerful Sorcerer in all of MLP because she has access to all spells in the Scroll library, and has 1000 years of training, AND being a Alicorn and the Teacher of Twilight Sparkle and after proving this statement of her being much stronger than Twilight by canceling Twilights spell, so anything Twilight, Luna, Shining Armor, and Cadence and then amplify it.

 

4. Sun- The they have mentioned numerous times that she is directly connected to the Sun, I would pretty much assume that she is in complete control over it, the same other Gods of the Sun where in olden times.

 

Im putting my money on Celestia also in morals because she is a great leader and doesn't try to steal the spotlight or shine from Twilight or her Friends. Superman isn't a terrible or boring or 1 dimensional character, hes just less likeable than the kind Princess of the Sun.

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

Ahh, this thread is all the right kinds of stupid

Maybe we should add a poll in the first post to see the general consensus. Also, I made a comic about this thread, since the Luna vs. Batman thread currently has more pics than this and that just won't do.

 

 

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Princess Celestia, because she has magic and Superman does not, plus, of course, she has the elements of harmony. Also, it has yet to be determined if she is immortal or not so that's a big plus for her.

[Jemboi 127]

Superman would without a doubt be able to conquer Princess Celestia. Honestly, she's appeared very weak a few times. The Royal Wedding anyone? Honestly, I wish MLP would do a Celestia centric episode that helps establish her as more of a badass.      

Edited January 7, 2013 by Jemboi

[Jason Achilles 2]

Ahh, this thread is all the right kinds of stupid

Maybe we should add a poll in the first post to see the general consensus. Also, I made a comic about this thread, since the Luna vs. Batman thread currently has more pics than this and that just won't do.

 

celesuper.jpg

 

Damn nice artwork dude, and pretty much how the conflict would go in my eyes... though I doubt Superman would be stupid enough to outright say what powers him still fine job.

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

 

Ahh, this thread is all the right kinds of stupid

Maybe we should add a poll in the first post to see the general consensus. Also, I made a comic about this thread, since the Luna vs. Batman thread currently has more pics than this and that just won't do.

 

celesuper.jpg

 

Well ill admit that's a cool comic and is pretty funny, if Celestia is allowed to cheat like that (which I really doubt shed be able to rip apart all of the cells in Supermans body without having an explosion the equivalent to 1000000 nuclear bombs go off, it happened once) then hes allowed to do this.

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

Well ill admit that's a cool comic and is pretty funny, if Celestia is allowed to cheat like that (which I really doubt shed be able to rip apart all of the cells in Supermans body without having an explosion the equivalent to 1000000 nuclear bombs go off, it happened once) then hes allowed to do this.

I wouldn't call using one's powers cheating. And considering she can make the sun change direction, I'd say moving stored solar energy would'nt be much of a problem. Also, I thought we are operating on post-Crisis standart.

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

I wouldn't call using one's powers cheating. And considering she can make the sun change direction, I'd say moving stored solar energy would'nt be much of a problem. Also, I thought we are operating on post-Crisis standart.

Doing something like ripping the Solar energy out of someone's cells isn't really playing to the all around fair point or a fight, especially if it doesn't make any sense. How can she "rip the solar energy out of his body" without it even having any sort of huge ass effect. That and it seems impossible to do so because as long as the Sun is there, there's always Solar Energy in his body, and blowing up his cells doesn't mean anything because that's been done before, Dark Knight Returns and Mageddon warhead, and because of the fact of Supermans incredibly fast regeneration cycle and a Kryptonians source of power always coming from the Yellow sun... No I don't think that she could use that against him. Cool comic

 

Besides, if we're going to go to dick moves like that, than I think its ok to pull in a little muscle

[ComradeUncleJoe 29]

Celestia controls the fucking SUN! Nuff said...Wait...I need 100 charaters...um...I heard Superman gets his power from the sun, I don't know much about Superman so I wouldn't know...Um...So...She can remove his strength?

[Phoenix237 353]

Okay I am here to do an analysis. What this means is that I will make a list of all feats and abilities both characters have accomplished. After that I will try to determin a winner based on my facts. Some facts may be left out, or mistakes may be made. Should this happen I would like To be notified. But there has to be some evidence to back that said fact. These facts can be seen by anyone in case you wish to join the discussion.

Rules:

•I am only using canon information. No fan info in this analysis for both sides. Sorry but I'm trying to be fair.

•Both characters are from different universes and this have no knowledge of each others strengths and weaknesses.

•No outside help is allowed

•For this battle we will remove any killing restraints, but keep there personalities in tact to not make them fight like savages.

 

NOTE:

I checked and these facts are right or good estimates. You can do research if you feel I am incorrect, but please don't rant against me

Saying I'm making stuff up. I worked hard to get these facts right (mostly superman's Abilites) so please don't be disrispectful.

I know both of these characters wouldn't fight or kill each other. BUT because everyone wants to know we wil remove both character's killing morals and restraints for this scenario.

And without further ado, let's begin.

 

 

Superman:

In this scenario I will use the modern post-crisis superman. A good idea because pre-crisis superman could blow fricken galxies away with a sneeze.

Strengths/ Abilites:

•over the years Superman's powers have been inconsistent. There is a reason for that. You see Superman gets his powers from a yellow sun, and solar radiation disperses as it gets away from it. In short the closer he gets to a yellow sun the more powerful he gets. In short take out the sun and you SLOWLY take away Superman's powers.

•Another thing the Yellow sun can do is heal Superman. The closer he is to the sun, the faster his healing rate is.

•Superman most obvious ability is his strength. His max strength hasn't been recorded, but we can make an estimate. On time Superman moved the Earth out of its orbit. The force needed to move an object out of the suns gravity by 1% is about 1000 times less then the object. The Earth weighs about 6.6 sextillion tons, this means Superman is strong enough to move 6.6 quintillion tons. However since his solar power is infinante his max strength is probably higher.

•He is fast, but how fast. While being controlled by Max Loid Superman flew to the sun and back in less then 2 minutes while fighting wonder woman. The distance from the Earth to the sun is about 93,020,00 miles so this means that Superman can fly at about 5.9 billion miles per hour. However he was fighting wonder woman when he did this do it is likly he can go faster.

•Superman is durable, but how durable? Superman over the years has survived several super novas. A super nova has the impact of about 10 octilluon megatons of force. So Superman's durability is strong enough to withstand this force.

•Superman also has freez breath and hurricane blast. But when things get serious he bust out his heat vision. The max temperature has haver been recorded, but the effects vary depending how Superman uses them. They can be persision blast or huge burst. He once took out a an army of doomsday clones with his heat vision. The downside is that heat vision drains superman's energy the most and can't be used lightly.

•Superman has x-ray, telescopic, and microscopic visions as well. He also has super hearing as well.

•Not many people know but Superman has some combat training. He has mastered how to find and attack enemies pressure points. He has learned a small verity of fighting styles. He even fought with wonder woman from time to time.

•Superman has developed a psyc barrier that blocks all mental attacks.

•His brain is able to process information quickly and can gather information quickly. He can even remember the DNA stricter of someone he encounters.

•Superman is intelligent and a strategist when his enemies get to dangerous.

 

Weaknesses:

•Superman's most obvious weakness is kryptonite which drains his powered and slowly weakens him.

•A red sun does nothing, but takes away superman's powers. It does not kill him.

•Many say Superman is weak against magic. This is only true because he has no protection against magic so any magic attack will affect him.

•While battling enemies that are strong enough to hurt him, his solar energy is drained. If he takes too much damage, and had little exposed to the sun he can be beaten. This is how Doomsday killed (correction) sent Superman in a coma (Doomsday didn't realy kill him).

 

 

Princess Celestia:

While trying to come up with facts I found problems many of you have found. We don't know princess Celestia's fighting capabilities. The show is intended for little girls so it was unlikely we weren't going to see epic battles. I did find info that may be useful. However I can only use info we have. We can make assumtions, but that would be many assumptions.

Strengths/ Abilites:

• Princess Celestia can raise the sun. Why is this relevant? Because this determines how much her MAGIC, not her physical strength, her magic can lift. The sun weighs 1.9891 ×1030 kg or about 332,946 Earths. This determines her max lifting Abilites of her magic.

•Durability is something we have to take into account. When Twilight lifted all those things in the episode "Boast Busters" we saw she was tireing out and that the ground below her was getting pushed down. According to physics she would have to handle the pressure of the wieght of the objects she carried. This means that to lift heavy objects with magic one must be able to hadle the pressure of that said object. Since princess Celestia can raise the sun with ease she can withstand 1.9891 ×1030 kg of pressure.

•Princess Celestia can shot a beam of energy. Whether this beam is solar powered is unknown

•Princess Clearia has acces to dark magic. We can tell she can shot a beam of dark energy, but other then that we know nothing else.

•Princess Celestia can also teleport, and can most likly teleport long distances. However as show in the show magic requires concentration and teleportation is no exception. If Princess Celestia cannot concentrate she can't teleport quickly.

•the show dosn't show any combat abilities, but it is likly that she has some combat experience, based on how she reacted in trying to defend against Queen Crysalis. However this combat ability seems to be inconsistent.

•She is a master munipulater, always finding a way to get some loyal subject to take care of a problem for her.

 

Weaknesses:

•Magic isn't limitless as shown in the series and one can be weakened if one uses too much magic or for a prolong period of times. Princess Celestia can't fight at full power for to long if she has to rely on magic.

•One weakness I like to point out is that she never deafeated a powerful enemy herself. It was shown that Discord was deafeated using the elements of harmony when she and her sister were still connected to them. Also she was shown fighting along side Princess Luna when they took out King Sombra. She lost or disappeared somehow when Nightmare Moon came back. She lost in a 1 on 1 fight with Oueen Crysalist.Latter it was the mane six that battled and deafeated the new treats. In short she seems to have low is not none 1 on 1 combat experience at all. Sure you can say she is testing Twilight for something, but surly she would step in if things get out of hand, yet she needed help when the changealing attacked Canterlot.

 

 

 

Results:

Unfortunately I have to give this battle to Superman. Now there are many theories going around so I will debunk them. I will explaine my reasons for Superman's victory latter after the debunking of theories.

•One theory is that Princess Celestia can turn the sun red or remove it. Two problems. One We don't know if Princess Celestia is capable of this. Two even if she is capable of this she has no knowledge of Superman. She won't understand Superman's connection to the sun and would not think about removing or altering it. Even she could change the sun's radiation she risks turning the sun to a blue sun which actually increases Superman's powers. Also removing the sun will only slowly remove Superman's powers, it won't take them away instantly do he can still fight.

•Another theory is that Princess Celestia can use magic to figure out Superman's weaknesses by say attacking his mind. Againe we don't know is she can do that, plus Superman has psyc blocks so a mental attack for even information gathering would be useless.

•Theory three Princess Celestia can remove the solar energy on Superman or make them explode. Againe we don't know If she can do that. Even so Superman is constantly absorbing solar energy so it is likly removing solar energy from Superman is pointless. Also if she were to explode the solar energy from Superman's cells, she runs the risk of unleashing solar explosions. We know Superman can survive this because he can survive Super Novas, but most likly it will kill Celestia. Even if it dosn't it will leave her weakend.

Theory four "Clestia can send Superman to the sun" this is a wierd one I found, trust me. This would go against Celestia since Superman can survive the temperatures of the sun. In fact it will only make him stronger. Once Superman stayed five minutes inside the sun and was then able to move multiple planted around with relative ease.

•Theory five "Superman can absorb Celestia's solar attack". The problem with this is we don't know if that was a solar beam. Even if it was it wouldn't matter since its magic in origin. In other words because its magic, even if it is a solar beam, it will still hurt Superman.

•Theory six "Celestia can teleport Superman to a red sun". As I mentioned before she has NO knowledge of Superman's weaknesses. Besides to teleport one must concentrate and in the heat of the battle Celestia won't have a chance to teleport long distances that require concentration.

 

Now many say "Celestia's magic can kill Superman Because Superman is weak against magic". Well while it may be true Princess Celestia could kill Superman because of magic, it's not true that she can because of this. Superman has fought many magic users such as Captin Marvel, the Specter, Balck Adam, etc. He has even outsmarted Mxyzptlk who is kinda like Discord except this guy can bend all reality. The point is Superman knows his weaknesses and has delt which many magic based enemies before. When his enemies has his weakness he fights smart and finds a way to out match his opponents. When he fought a Kryptonite Doomsday he fought smart and was able to survive long enough find a way to calm the enemy down (in the comic book "Superman/ Batman the search for Kryptonite"). The point is Superman has always been able to beat the odds of fighting opponents that have his specific tailored weakness used against him.

 

Superman has more battle experience and capabilities then Princess Celestia. Princees Celestia won't be able to keep up with Superman's powers and Abilites. While she may be able to hold on for a bit she won't be able to prolong the fight as we know magic isn't endless. Supermans poweres derive from the sun so we know his power source is endless. Not to mention the yellow sun can heal him. Princess Celestia has limits while Superman has almost no limits to begin with. In the end only one has limits to go all out. In the end Princess Clestia will fall and Superman will be victorious.

 

The problem is that Superman is overexecevly powerful. Superman's poweres seemed

Weak at first Becaus he didn't accept his kryptinion heratage. He developed mental

Barriers that surprised his powered at first such as when he believed he needed to eat when all he really needed was the sun. When he finally accepted his Kryptionion heratage and the endless energy of the sun he became the Superman he was ment to be. In short "Superman is as strong as he needs to be".

 

Winner (based on my findings):

Superman

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

I wouldn't call using one's powers cheating. And considering she can make the sun change direction, I'd say moving stored solar energy would'nt be much of a problem. Also, I thought we are operating on post-Crisis standart.

Honestly I take what I said back, after seeing what Superman can do during the Goku vs Superman Death Battle: Celestia would lose with so much ease it isn't even worth talking about

 

Unless you can disable Supermans abilities by a LOT, Celestia doesn't have the power to take the Man of Steel down.

 

Okay I am here to do an analysis. What this means is that I will make a list of all feats and abilities both characters have accomplished. After that I will try to determin a winner based on my facts. Some facts may be left out, or mistakes may be made. Should this happen I would like To be notified. But there has to be some evidence to back that said fact. These facts can be seen by anyone in case you wish to join the discussion.

Rules:

•I am only using canon information. No fan info in this analysis for both sides. Sorry but I'm trying to be fair.

•Both characters are from different universes and this have no knowledge of each others strengths and weaknesses.

•No outside help is allowed

•For this battle we will remove any killing restraints, but keep there personalities in tact to not make them fight like savages.

 

NOTE:

I checked and these facts are right or good estimates. You can do research if you feel I am incorrect, but please don't rant against me

Saying I'm making stuff up. I worked hard to get these facts right (mostly superman's Abilites) so please don't be disrispectful.

I know both of these characters wouldn't fight or kill each other. BUT because everyone wants to know we wil remove both character's killing morals and restraints for this scenario.

And without further ado, let's begin.

 

 

Superman:

In this scenario I will use the modern post-crisis superman. A good idea because pre-crisis superman could blow fricken galxies away with a sneeze.

Strengths/ Abilites:

•over the years Superman's powers have been inconsistent. There is a reason for that. You see Superman gets his powers from a yellow sun, and solar radiation disperses as it gets away from it. In short the closer he gets to a yellow sun the more powerful he gets. In short take out the sun and you SLOWLY take away Superman's powers.

•Another thing the Yellow sun can do is heal Superman. The closer he is to the sun, the faster his healing rate is.

•Superman most obvious ability is his strength. His max strength hasn't been recorded, but we can make an estimate. On time Superman moved the Earth out of its orbit. The force needed to move an object out of the suns gravity by 1% is about 1000 times less then the object. The Earth weighs about 6.6 sextillion tons, this means Superman is strong enough to move 6.6 quintillion tons. However since his solar power is infinante his max strength is probably higher.

•He is fast, but how fast. While being controlled by Max Loid Superman flew to the sun and back in less then 2 minutes while fighting wonder woman. The distance from the Earth to the sun is about 93,020,00 miles so this means that Superman can fly at about 5.9 billion miles per hour. However he was fighting wonder woman when he did this do it is likly he can go faster.

•Superman is durable, but how durable? Superman over the years has survived several super novas. A super nova has the impact of about 10 octilluon megatons of force. So Superman's durability is strong enough to withstand this force.

•Superman also has freez breath and hurricane blast. But when things get serious he bust out his heat vision. The max temperature has haver been recorded, but the effects vary depending how Superman uses them. They can be persision blast or huge burst. He once took out a an army of doomsday clones with his heat vision. The downside is that heat vision drains superman's energy the most and can't be used lightly.

•Superman has x-ray, telescopic, and microscopic visions as well. He also has super hearing as well.

•Not many people know but Superman has some combat training. He has mastered how to find and attack enemies pressure points. He has learned a small verity of fighting styles. He even fought with wonder woman from time to time.

•Superman has developed a psyc barrier that blocks all mental attacks.

•His brain is able to process information quickly and can gather information quickly. He can even remember the DNA stricter of someone he encounters.

•Superman is intelligent and a strategist when his enemies get to dangerous.

 

Weaknesses:

•Superman's most obvious weakness is kryptonite which drains his powered and slowly weakens him.

•A red sun does nothing, but takes away superman's powers. It does not kill him.

•Many say Superman is weak against magic. This is only true because he has no protection against magic so any magic attack will affect him.

•While battling enemies that are strong enough to hurt him, his solar energy is drained. If he takes too much damage, and had little exposed to the sun he can be beaten. This is how Doomsday killed (correction) sent Superman in a coma (Doomsday didn't realy kill him).

 

 

Princess Celestia:

While trying to come up with facts I found problems many of you have found. We don't know princess Celestia's fighting capabilities. The show is intended for little girls so it was unlikely we weren't going to see epic battles. I did find info that may be useful. However I can only use info we have. We can make assumtions, but that would be many assumptions.

Strengths/ Abilites:

• Princess Celestia can raise the sun. Why is this relevant? Because this determines how much her MAGIC, not her physical strength, her magic can lift. The sun weighs 1.9891 ×1030 kg or about 332,946 Earths. This determines her max lifting Abilites of her magic.

•Durability is something we have to take into account. When Twilight lifted all those things in the episode "Boast Busters" we saw she was tireing out and that the ground below her was getting pushed down. According to physics she would have to handle the pressure of the wieght of the objects she carried. This means that to lift heavy objects with magic one must be able to hadle the pressure of that said object. Since princess Celestia can raise the sun with ease she can withstand 1.9891 ×1030 kg of pressure.

•Princess Celestia can shot a beam of energy. Whether this beam is solar powered is unknown

•Princess Clearia has acces to dark magic. We can tell she can shot a beam of dark energy, but other then that we know nothing else.

•Princess Celestia can also teleport, and can most likly teleport long distances. However as show in the show magic requires concentration and teleportation is no exception. If Princess Celestia cannot concentrate she can't teleport quickly.

•the show dosn't show any combat abilities, but it is likly that she has some combat experience, based on how she reacted in trying to defend against Queen Crysalis. However this combat ability seems to be inconsistent.

•She is a master munipulater, always finding a way to get some loyal subject to take care of a problem for her.

 

Weaknesses:

•Magic isn't limitless as shown in the series and one can be weakened if one uses too much magic or for a prolong period of times. Princess Celestia can't fight at full power for to long if she has to rely on magic.

•One weakness I like to point out is that she never deafeated a powerful enemy herself. It was shown that Discord was deafeated using the elements of harmony when she and her sister were still connected to them. Also she was shown fighting along side Princess Luna when they took out King Sombra. She lost or disappeared somehow when Nightmare Moon came back. She lost in a 1 on 1 fight with Oueen Crysalist.Latter it was the mane six that battled and deafeated the new treats. In short she seems to have low is not none 1 on 1 combat experience at all. Sure you can say she is testing Twilight for something, but surly she would step in if things get out of hand, yet she needed help when the changealing attacked Canterlot.

 

 

 

Results:

Unfortunately I have to give this battle to Superman. Now there are many theories going around so I will debunk them. I will explaine my reasons for Superman's victory latter after the debunking of theories.

•One theory is that Princess Celestia can turn the sun red or remove it. Two problems. One We don't know if Princess Celestia is capable of this. Two even if she is capable of this she has no knowledge of Superman. She won't understand Superman's connection to the sun and would not think about removing or altering it. Even she could change the sun's radiation she risks turning the sun to a blue sun which actually increases Superman's powers. Also removing the sun will only slowly remove Superman's powers, it won't take them away instantly do he can still fight.

•Another theory is that Princess Celestia can use magic to figure out Superman's weaknesses by say attacking his mind. Againe we don't know is she can do that, plus Superman has psyc blocks so a mental attack for even information gathering would be useless.

•Theory three Princess Celestia can remove the solar energy on Superman or make them explode. Againe we don't know If she can do that. Even so Superman is constantly absorbing solar energy so it is likly removing solar energy from Superman is pointless. Also if she were to explode the solar energy from Superman's cells, she runs the risk of unleashing solar explosions. We know Superman can survive this because he can survive Super Novas, but most likly it will kill Celestia. Even if it dosn't it will leave her weakend.

Theory four "Clestia can send Superman to the sun" this is a wierd one I found, trust me. This would go against Celestia since Superman can survive the temperatures of the sun. In fact it will only make him stronger. Once Superman stayed five minutes inside the sun and was then able to move multiple planted around with relative ease.

•Theory five "Superman can absorb Celestia's solar attack". The problem with this is we don't know if that was a solar beam. Even if it was it wouldn't matter since its magic in origin. In other words because its magic, even if it is a solar beam, it will still hurt Superman.

•Theory six "Celestia can teleport Superman to a red sun". As I mentioned before she has NO knowledge of Superman's weaknesses. Besides to teleport one must concentrate and in the heat of the battle Celestia won't have a chance to teleport long distances that require concentration.

 

Now many say "Celestia's magic can kill Superman Because Superman is weak against magic". Well while it may be true Princess Celestia could kill Superman because of magic, it's not true that she can because of this. Superman has fought many magic users such as Captin Marvel, the Specter, Balck Adam, etc. He has even outsmarted Mxyzptlk who is kinda like Discord except this guy can bend all reality. The point is Superman knows his weaknesses and has delt which many magic based enemies before. When his enemies has his weakness he fights smart and finds a way to out match his opponents. When he fought a Kryptonite Doomsday he fought smart and was able to survive long enough find a way to calm the enemy down (in the comic book "Superman/ Batman the search for Kryptonite"). The point is Superman has always been able to beat the odds of fighting opponents that have his specific tailored weakness used against him.

 

Superman has more battle experience and capabilities then Princess Celestia. Princees Celestia won't be able to keep up with Superman's powers and Abilites. While she may be able to hold on for a bit she won't be able to prolong the fight as we know magic isn't endless. Supermans poweres derive from the sun so we know his power source is endless. Not to mention the yellow sun can heal him. Princess Celestia has limits while Superman has almost no limits to begin with. In the end only one has limits to go all out. In the end Princess Clestia will fall and Superman will be victorious.

 

The problem is that Superman is overexecevly powerful. Superman's poweres seemed

Weak at first Becaus he didn't accept his kryptinion heratage. He developed mental

Barriers that surprised his powered at first such as when he believed he needed to eat when all he really needed was the sun. When he finally accepted his Kryptionion heratage and the endless energy of the sun he became the Superman he was ment to be. In short "Superman is as strong as he needs to be".

 

Winner (based on my findings):

Superman

My god this is perfect, truly the best post ive seen so far.

 

Do you mind if I use this in a blog post on Screwattack? Change around some of the grammatical effects and such, but still keep the same idea?

[SCS 7,537]

The question OP poses is very interesting in my opinion. The thing is, Superman is just invincible, aside from kryptonite, and I don't think there's any way around that in terms of physical attacks. 

 

However, I don't know whether or not superman is invincible in his mind. If Princess Celestia knows magic that she can use to affect someone's mind, then maybe that would do something. 

 

Otherwise, maybe she could just magically make kryptonite appear. 

 

On the other hand, superman couldn't really do anything. If he tried to like punch or something Celestia could just easily teleport away. So, I honestly think Celestia would win. Basically since Celestia is magical I just don't know what kind of constraints there are on her abilities.

 

Of course, not that they would fight in the first place. They're both good guys. 

[Phoenix237 353]

Honestly I take what I said back, after seeing what Superman can do during the Goku vs Superman Death Battle: Celestia would lose with so much ease it isn't even worth talking about

 

Unless you can disable Supermans abilities by a LOT, Celestia doesn't have the power to take the Man of Steel down.

 

 

My god this is perfect, truly the best post ive seen so far.

 

Do you mind if I use this in a blog post on Screwattack? Change around some of the grammatical effects and such, but still keep the same idea?

Sure go ahead by all means.

I spent time and effort so that others may view this and find out why the other would win.

If you plan on using this on a blog post, then by all means go ahead.

 

By the way I know about Screwattack.com

This is we're I saw a program called Death Battle and where I became inclined to make analysis on all vs battles I come across.

 

In any case good luck on you're blog post. Hope it goes well.

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

The question OP poses is very interesting in my opinion. The thing is, Superman is just invincible, aside from kryptonite, and I don't think there's any way around that in terms of physical attacks. 

 

However, I don't know whether or not superman is invincible in his mind. If Princess Celestia knows magic that she can use to affect someone's mind, then maybe that would do something. 

 

Otherwise, maybe she could just magically make kryptonite appear. 

 

On the other hand, superman couldn't really do anything. If he tried to like punch or something Celestia could just easily teleport away. So, I honestly think Celestia would win. Basically since Celestia is magical I just don't know what kind of constraints there are on her abilities.

 

Of course, not that they would fight in the first place. They're both good guys. 

I disagree with some of your points

 

Yeah Superman doesn't think of himself as invincible, but even then I don't think Celestia does either (otherwise she would kick the shit out of every character in Equestria) and even then Celestia cant read his mind because he has mental blocks

 

Well yeah she could create Kryptonite, but artificially made Kryptonite works less on him than normal Kryptonite and even then, he can ignore the pain if hes bloodlusted

 

Also, I doubt she could Teleport away from a guy that moves so fast he can travel through time....

 

Still, if she allowed herself to get full power and stopped holding back, shed be a legitimate threat to Supes.

[Jason Achilles 2]

Okay I am here to do an analysis. What this means is that I will make a list of all feats and abilities both characters have accomplished. After that I will try to determin a winner based on my facts. Some facts may be left out, or mistakes may be made. Should this happen I would like To be notified. But there has to be some evidence to back that said fact. These facts can be seen by anyone in case you wish to join the discussion.

Rules:

•I am only using canon information. No fan info in this analysis for both sides. Sorry but I'm trying to be fair.

•Both characters are from different universes and this have no knowledge of each others strengths and weaknesses.

•No outside help is allowed

•For this battle we will remove any killing restraints, but keep there personalities in tact to not make them fight like savages.

 

NOTE:

I checked and these facts are right or good estimates. You can do research if you feel I am incorrect, but please don't rant against me

Saying I'm making stuff up. I worked hard to get these facts right (mostly superman's Abilites) so please don't be disrispectful.

I know both of these characters wouldn't fight or kill each other. BUT because everyone wants to know we wil remove both character's killing morals and restraints for this scenario.

And without further ado, let's begin.

 

 

Superman:

In this scenario I will use the modern post-crisis superman. A good idea because pre-crisis superman could blow fricken galxies away with a sneeze.

Strengths/ Abilites:

•over the years Superman's powers have been inconsistent. There is a reason for that. You see Superman gets his powers from a yellow sun, and solar radiation disperses as it gets away from it. In short the closer he gets to a yellow sun the more powerful he gets. In short take out the sun and you SLOWLY take away Superman's powers.

•Another thing the Yellow sun can do is heal Superman. The closer he is to the sun, the faster his healing rate is.

•Superman most obvious ability is his strength. His max strength hasn't been recorded, but we can make an estimate. On time Superman moved the Earth out of its orbit. The force needed to move an object out of the suns gravity by 1% is about 1000 times less then the object. The Earth weighs about 6.6 sextillion tons, this means Superman is strong enough to move 6.6 quintillion tons. However since his solar power is infinante his max strength is probably higher.

•He is fast, but how fast. While being controlled by Max Loid Superman flew to the sun and back in less then 2 minutes while fighting wonder woman. The distance from the Earth to the sun is about 93,020,00 miles so this means that Superman can fly at about 5.9 billion miles per hour. However he was fighting wonder woman when he did this do it is likly he can go faster.

•Superman is durable, but how durable? Superman over the years has survived several super novas. A super nova has the impact of about 10 octilluon megatons of force. So Superman's durability is strong enough to withstand this force.

•Superman also has freez breath and hurricane blast. But when things get serious he bust out his heat vision. The max temperature has haver been recorded, but the effects vary depending how Superman uses them. They can be persision blast or huge burst. He once took out a an army of doomsday clones with his heat vision. The downside is that heat vision drains superman's energy the most and can't be used lightly.

•Superman has x-ray, telescopic, and microscopic visions as well. He also has super hearing as well.

•Not many people know but Superman has some combat training. He has mastered how to find and attack enemies pressure points. He has learned a small verity of fighting styles. He even fought with wonder woman from time to time.

•Superman has developed a psyc barrier that blocks all mental attacks.

•His brain is able to process information quickly and can gather information quickly. He can even remember the DNA stricter of someone he encounters.

•Superman is intelligent and a strategist when his enemies get to dangerous.

 

Weaknesses:

•Superman's most obvious weakness is kryptonite which drains his powered and slowly weakens him.

•A red sun does nothing, but takes away superman's powers. It does not kill him.

•Many say Superman is weak against magic. This is only true because he has no protection against magic so any magic attack will affect him.

•While battling enemies that are strong enough to hurt him, his solar energy is drained. If he takes too much damage, and had little exposed to the sun he can be beaten. This is how Doomsday killed (correction) sent Superman in a coma (Doomsday didn't realy kill him).

 

 

Princess Celestia:

While trying to come up with facts I found problems many of you have found. We don't know princess Celestia's fighting capabilities. The show is intended for little girls so it was unlikely we weren't going to see epic battles. I did find info that may be useful. However I can only use info we have. We can make assumtions, but that would be many assumptions.

Strengths/ Abilites:

• Princess Celestia can raise the sun. Why is this relevant? Because this determines how much her MAGIC, not her physical strength, her magic can lift. The sun weighs 1.9891 ×1030 kg or about 332,946 Earths. This determines her max lifting Abilites of her magic.

•Durability is something we have to take into account. When Twilight lifted all those things in the episode "Boast Busters" we saw she was tireing out and that the ground below her was getting pushed down. According to physics she would have to handle the pressure of the wieght of the objects she carried. This means that to lift heavy objects with magic one must be able to hadle the pressure of that said object. Since princess Celestia can raise the sun with ease she can withstand 1.9891 ×1030 kg of pressure.

•Princess Celestia can shot a beam of energy. Whether this beam is solar powered is unknown

•Princess Clearia has acces to dark magic. We can tell she can shot a beam of dark energy, but other then that we know nothing else.

•Princess Celestia can also teleport, and can most likly teleport long distances. However as show in the show magic requires concentration and teleportation is no exception. If Princess Celestia cannot concentrate she can't teleport quickly.

•the show dosn't show any combat abilities, but it is likly that she has some combat experience, based on how she reacted in trying to defend against Queen Crysalis. However this combat ability seems to be inconsistent.

•She is a master munipulater, always finding a way to get some loyal subject to take care of a problem for her.

 

Weaknesses:

•Magic isn't limitless as shown in the series and one can be weakened if one uses too much magic or for a prolong period of times. Princess Celestia can't fight at full power for to long if she has to rely on magic.

•One weakness I like to point out is that she never deafeated a powerful enemy herself. It was shown that Discord was deafeated using the elements of harmony when she and her sister were still connected to them. Also she was shown fighting along side Princess Luna when they took out King Sombra. She lost or disappeared somehow when Nightmare Moon came back. She lost in a 1 on 1 fight with Oueen Crysalist.Latter it was the mane six that battled and deafeated the new treats. In short she seems to have low is not none 1 on 1 combat experience at all. Sure you can say she is testing Twilight for something, but surly she would step in if things get out of hand, yet she needed help when the changealing attacked Canterlot.

 

 

 

Results:

Unfortunately I have to give this battle to Superman. Now there are many theories going around so I will debunk them. I will explaine my reasons for Superman's victory latter after the debunking of theories.

•One theory is that Princess Celestia can turn the sun red or remove it. Two problems. One We don't know if Princess Celestia is capable of this. Two even if she is capable of this she has no knowledge of Superman. She won't understand Superman's connection to the sun and would not think about removing or altering it. Even she could change the sun's radiation she risks turning the sun to a blue sun which actually increases Superman's powers. Also removing the sun will only slowly remove Superman's powers, it won't take them away instantly do he can still fight.

•Another theory is that Princess Celestia can use magic to figure out Superman's weaknesses by say attacking his mind. Againe we don't know is she can do that, plus Superman has psyc blocks so a mental attack for even information gathering would be useless.

•Theory three Princess Celestia can remove the solar energy on Superman or make them explode. Againe we don't know If she can do that. Even so Superman is constantly absorbing solar energy so it is likly removing solar energy from Superman is pointless. Also if she were to explode the solar energy from Superman's cells, she runs the risk of unleashing solar explosions. We know Superman can survive this because he can survive Super Novas, but most likly it will kill Celestia. Even if it dosn't it will leave her weakend.

Theory four "Clestia can send Superman to the sun" this is a wierd one I found, trust me. This would go against Celestia since Superman can survive the temperatures of the sun. In fact it will only make him stronger. Once Superman stayed five minutes inside the sun and was then able to move multiple planted around with relative ease.

•Theory five "Superman can absorb Celestia's solar attack". The problem with this is we don't know if that was a solar beam. Even if it was it wouldn't matter since its magic in origin. In other words because its magic, even if it is a solar beam, it will still hurt Superman.

•Theory six "Celestia can teleport Superman to a red sun". As I mentioned before she has NO knowledge of Superman's weaknesses. Besides to teleport one must concentrate and in the heat of the battle Celestia won't have a chance to teleport long distances that require concentration.

 

Now many say "Celestia's magic can kill Superman Because Superman is weak against magic". Well while it may be true Princess Celestia could kill Superman because of magic, it's not true that she can because of this. Superman has fought many magic users such as Captin Marvel, the Specter, Balck Adam, etc. He has even outsmarted Mxyzptlk who is kinda like Discord except this guy can bend all reality. The point is Superman knows his weaknesses and has delt which many magic based enemies before. When his enemies has his weakness he fights smart and finds a way to out match his opponents. When he fought a Kryptonite Doomsday he fought smart and was able to survive long enough find a way to calm the enemy down (in the comic book "Superman/ Batman the search for Kryptonite"). The point is Superman has always been able to beat the odds of fighting opponents that have his specific tailored weakness used against him.

 

Superman has more battle experience and capabilities then Princess Celestia. Princees Celestia won't be able to keep up with Superman's powers and Abilites. While she may be able to hold on for a bit she won't be able to prolong the fight as we know magic isn't endless. Supermans poweres derive from the sun so we know his power source is endless. Not to mention the yellow sun can heal him. Princess Celestia has limits while Superman has almost no limits to begin with. In the end only one has limits to go all out. In the end Princess Clestia will fall and Superman will be victorious.

 

The problem is that Superman is overexecevly powerful. Superman's poweres seemed

Weak at first Becaus he didn't accept his kryptinion heratage. He developed mental

Barriers that surprised his powered at first such as when he believed he needed to eat when all he really needed was the sun. When he finally accepted his Kryptionion heratage and the endless energy of the sun he became the Superman he was ment to be. In short "Superman is as strong as he needs to be".

 

Winner (based on my findings):

Superman

I must admit, after that last Death Battle I have a major amount of respect for Superman than I did before.

 

But with your findings I gotta say, that is a really character ability list. But honestly with all that information, I still put Celestia above Superman. Unlike Goku I feel she would see Supermans connection to the Sun and be able to stop him from getting power from it, that and if she wants Superman dead, then she'll most likely start doing the same thing Superman does and get power to her muscles and speed.

 

And a horse is naturally faster and stronger than a Human, plus the added addition of Magic that now can even counteract Discords spells, I think shes fully able to take down Superman.

[twilightsparkle420 5]

honestly i havent seen a mlp epasode where princess cilestia showed and true fighting power she is pretty much jsut some nise person that reads letters and is in parades so in that case it has to be superman in all catagories but it beauty was a catagory nobody would win it would be twilight sparkle

[Steel Accord 6,660]

In terms of a straight up fight? My knee jerk reaction would say Celestia because she has magic, but where does Supes GET his power? If Celestia is the steward of the sun, and presumably has similar properties, then she would indirectly be charging Superman with her mere presence.

 

Then again, her association with the sun is inherently magical. So I would say it comes down to how Celestia's relationship with the sun is to be interpreted. Depending on that factor it's a curb-stomp battle in either direction. Either Celestia gets her plot handed to her by a super-charged Kryptonian, or Supes dies . . . again.

 

Now who is a better hero? I actually can't decide because they fill a similar niche in both of their respective settings. That being THE BIG GOOD.

 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigGood

 

Simply the most powerful force for good and generally considered to be a leader among heroes.

 

Princess Celestia is, of course, the Sovereign of Equestria, powerful enough to control the sun, and tasks the Mane Six with missions or assignments.

 

Superman is beloved and recognized around the globe, is powerful almost beyond measure, and is the leader of the Justice League.

 

I looked up to Superman growing up. He was my Dad's hero and I felt like anyone who could inspire my Dad was a true hero. Watching the DC animated series showed me Supes at both his best and worst. But always his ability to know what's right and his conviction to do it, more than all his power, was what made him Superman.

 

Princess Celestia has inspired me similarly in my adult years. I'm certainly aware (and IMMENSELY thankful) of the real people who've created this show. But when I think of Equestria and all that it has inspired in me and others, I think of Princess Celestia. I can't help but believe that this is what She would want. For us all to embrace friendship and harmony and act on our beliefs through community, charity, and creation.

[SkyeRibbonPwny 406]

Are we talking straight up Superman? Or a ponified SuperMane? Either way couldn't Mollestia just seduce him? Wouldn't Luna just get hr jimmies rustled cuz someone is bugging her big sis? The Royal Guard? Fucking Discord is part of that shit now.

Superman is super dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*whisper*and goku would win*whisper*

Edited January 22, 2013 by SkyeRibbonPony

[crazitaco 596]

celestia could just throw the sun at superman ^^

or just toast him on the spot.

i dunno, i'm just biased cause i really HATE superman. he's the worst most OP marysuperhero ever.

Edited January 22, 2013 by crazitaco

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

celestia could just throw the sun at superman ^^

or just toast him on the spot.

i dunno, i'm just biased cause i really HATE superman. he's the worst most OP marysuperhero ever.

I think throwing the Sun at Superman is the worst idea since giving Aquaman the power over Cthlulu., Superman is POWERED by the Sun so really shed be doing nothing more than making him stronger

 

And really most OP? Apparently you've never heard of the Sentry.

 

 

Are we talking straight up Superman? Or a ponified SuperMane? Either way couldn't Mollestia just seduce him? Wouldn't Luna just get hr jimmies rustled cuz someone is bugging her big sis? The Royal Guard? Fucking Discord is part of that shit now.

Superman is super dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*whisper*and goku would win*whisper*

I think SuperDickeryman would basically match any troll ideas the Trollestia could think up... now if they teamed up, Death will happen

 

Luna would be to busy with her video games, the Royal Guard cant even stop a Bug invasion, let alone the Man of Steel, and Discord isn't much different from the Superman villain Mxyzptlk... which Superman defeats REGULARLY. So I think hes ok.

 

 

In terms of a straight up fight? My knee jerk reaction would say Celestia because she has magic, but where does Supes GET his power? If Celestia is the steward of the sun, and presumably has similar properties, then she would indirectly be charging Superman with her mere presence.

 

Then again, her association with the sun is inherently magical. So I would say it comes down to how Celestia's relationship with the sun is to be interpreted. Depending on that factor it's a curb-stomp battle in either direction. Either Celestia gets her plot handed to her by a super-charged Kryptonian, or Supes dies . . . again.

 

Now who is a better hero? I actually can't decide because they fill a similar niche in both of their respective settings. That being THE BIG GOOD.

 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigGood

 

Simply the most powerful force for good and generally considered to be a leader among heroes.

 

Princess Celestia is, of course, the Sovereign of Equestria, powerful enough to control the sun, and tasks the Mane Six with missions or assignments.

 

Superman is beloved and recognized around the globe, is powerful almost beyond measure, and is the leader of the Justice League.

 

I looked up to Superman growing up. He was my Dad's hero and I felt like anyone who could inspire my Dad was a true hero. Watching the DC animated series showed me Supes at both his best and worst. But always his ability to know what's right and his conviction to do it, more than all his power, was what made him Superman.

 

Princess Celestia has inspired me similarly in my adult years. I'm certainly aware (and IMMENSELY thankful) of the real people who've created this show. But when I think of Equestria and all that it has inspired in me and others, I think of Princess Celestia. I can't help but believe that this is what She would want. For us all to embrace friendship and harmony and act on our beliefs through community, charity, and creation.

Really good post man, thanks for the support.

 

A couple of things though

 

Magic never really means instant win for anyone facing Superman, the fact hes defeated Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, and even the DC and Marvel versions of THOR means he can take some magical abuse. The whole "susceptible to magic" thing only really applies to his bioelectric aura which surrounds his body, but his super dense molecular structure can take a major beating because its so dense.  And even if the Sun is magic, there have been cases where Superman has absorbed magical sun radiation (its weird) and used them like his normal powers, only powered by magic. I think its a fair match if Celestia takes the fight seriously and actually uses all that "infinite" power at her disposal, and if Superman also takes it to the extreme as well. And Superman never died, he went into a "healing coma"... "coughsputterBULLSHITcoughsputter".

 

I do agree that Superman and Princess Celestia are the big goods of their world, and would probably get along very well. This fight is really theoretical because of HOW similar they are to each other.

 

In the end I think Supes will win, but the Princess (if her apparent power is true) will make sure it isn't in any way easy.

[RWB 229]

Seeing how im kind of new to this site i was looking up some stupid crap on other forums and saw this like over 100 times, they said however if i really wanted to do something like this i should go to the Mlp forums and see what they see, so yeah.

 

Rules

1.) This is debate more of just fighting, is more of a moral debate but is also a straight up fight in term

2.) No outside help from another person but i can allow EoH and SoS

3.) Will allow fanon speculation on the power of Princess Celestia

4.) Allow Pre and Post Crisis Superman only. No abstracts or magic proof supermen

5.) Dont take this thread to seriously

 

Arenas

A.) Straight up fight

B.) Fight of Poweful weapons (Elements of Harmony and Sword of Superman)

C.) Moral debate of characters (who is the better character/ruler/hero)

 

Hope this is appropriate.

A) Superman. Any version of him will defeat Celestia, sorry. He's too fast, and a punch from him would do the trick. Allowing Pre-Crisis, Superman sneezes galaxies away.

The Sword. Sorry.

[TheUltimateAvenger 16]

A) Superman. Any version of him will defeat Celestia, sorry. He's too fast, and a punch from him would do the trick. Allowing Pre-Crisis, Superman sneezes galaxies away.

The Sword. Sorry.

I know... I kinda left out Pre-Crisis Superman later on because I thought it would be WAYYYY overkill. And the Sword and Elements are gone.

 

To be fair... after that Death Battle I think ANY version of Superman is OP... I still love him though.

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

Wouldn't Luna just get hr jimmies rustled cuz someone is bugging her big sis? The Royal Guard? Fucking Discord is part of that shit now.

Superman is super dead.

Well sir you managed to make me see something positive come out of that episode. kudos

 

i dunno, i'm just biased cause i really HATE superman. he's the worst most OP marysuperhero ever.

He is not that bad when a decent writer's handling him. If not, well then we get idiotic stuff like flying with several times the speed of light or moving a planet. The character lends itself to be written as a Mary Sue.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Silverwisp the Bard