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When The Last Roundup premiered with Derpy getting a voice, the writers were eventually forced to ax Derpy because of her insensitive portrayal of the mentally-challenged.  There was a lot of controversy regarding this issue within the brony community, but we wouldn't regain Derpy until Magical Mystery Cure, where she made plenty of cameos.

 

A Canterlot Wedding was originally thought of as stereotypical girly fluff that went against the show's core essence, just because it was a fairy-tale wedding between a prince and a princess.  When we saw the episode ourselves, what we actually got was a battle for survival against Queen Chrysalis and her army of insectoid changelings.

 

Before Magical Mystery Cure aired, when we learned that Twilight would become a princess, we thought it would mean that she would become the most dominant thing in Equestria, while her friends were left in the dust in-terms of power.  When we saw the episode ourselves, we then learned that as a princess, Twilight won't dominate her friends, but rather unite and empower them, which is what a true leader normally does with his or her followers.  That, and Twilight's favorite hobby -- reading books and studying magic -- were all tied to her inevitable rise to power as alicorn princess of Equestria.  And, she won't outlive her friends, either, even as an alicorn.

 

What did all three of those moments have in common?  They were all controversies that eventually proved they weren't so bad to begin with, whether because they were secretly rectified without the bronies' consent like Derpy, given a shocking twist like Canterlot Wedding, or revealed some good sides within all that badness like Princess Twilight.  And, based on what I saw from the Equestria Girls trailer, I have the feeling that it might pull a Canterlot Wedding-style twist in the climax, just to prove to us that just because it's trying to copy off the success of Monster High, doesn't mean it'll be a total failure in the end.  Perhaps by the time Sunset Shimmer puts on the prom crown, she magically turns into an alicorn while using her magic to revert human-Twilight back into not so much an alicorn, but rather a unicorn, and in front of all of those humans at that!  Then, just when all hope seems lost, the ponified versions of Twilight's friends rush into the human-world to help Twilight take the crown off of Sunset, with the humanized versions of those five main ponies watching.  Then, Twilight's friends succeed, they meet up with their humanized selves, and after Twilight tells the truth to her human friends, she then gives them -- and her high-school crush -- a heartfelt goodbye before returning to her original world with her friends.

 

I don't know, I just hope this one twist in the movie's climax can rectify all the doubts I've developed from watching the Equestria Girls trailer.  After all, we realized that the Royal Wedding and Princess Twilight weren't so bad to begin with, and we thought Derpy was axed for good until we were shocked to discover her return in MMC.  If the writers can pull off those controversy-rectifying surprises, then why not Equestria Girls?

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For a lot of people, Magical Mystery Cure has yet to prove itself to not be so bad.  I can imagine that people will still hate it at the end of season 4.  People hated Lesson Zero at first, but now absolutely love it.  It was an episode that tried something new, but kept it within itself, and didn't change the series as a whole, except for the whole anypony can write a letter thing.  It's sortof like how Homer's Enemy from The Simpsons and Scott Tenorman Must Die from South Park were disliked at first but are now considered classics.  But anyway, Magical Mystery Cure isn't just it's own thing.  It's a big change for the series, even if the writers try to keep it from affecting the show as much as possible, and it's part one of a three part episode.  All that said, I personally loved MMC from the start.

 

As for Equestria Girls, I think it'll probably be bad, but if it is, they purposely designed it to not affect the show.  I hope it'll be good, but if it isn't, no skin of my nose.

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I call this an overreaction from the fanbase, every time. While I do think that the reasons for Derpy being removed are quite idiotic, I knew that they would bring her back eventually and looky there, she came back, quite a few times as you said. The two biggies in terms of hate, Twilicorn and Equestria Girls, is just another example of pure overreaction and really, the hate just seems a bit more silly here. One is character advancement, the character achieving her destiny, which should be something great, yet some of the 'fans' cannot be happy about that whatsoever. It is all just opinion, but meh. I respect those that admit that they do not like the idea, but are willing to give it a chance. The other is a spin-off, that, according to Meghan McCarthy, will not effect season 4, so it is just it's own thing. I personally am not fond of the EqG idea myself, but with these facts in mind, I am perfectly fine with it. 

 

This pointless hate really brings such a negative atmosphere to the fandom. Luckily, it seems to be dying down a little, especially on Twilicorn. It seems more people are accepting of that than I originally thought. Yay. With EqG, only time can tell at this point on how it will be. I do fear what some people might say if it isn't good, since they will obviously ignore the fact that it still will not affect S4, like they are now.

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Yeah the fanbase tends to overreact to things, and this is true of any fanbase for any show or franchise. I always took what I first saw with an open mind, as I knew that things couldn't be all bad if I gave it a chance. And like all the ones mentioned, it turned out to be pretty damn good in the long run. 

 

As for Equestria Girls, well, right now I'm iffy on the whole idea, and probably won't bother watching it until it comes out on DVD, maybe. I'm okay with it as long as it doesn't intertwine with the actual show itself. Leave it as a stand alone. 

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This is what some of us have been trying to tell everyone from day one of this mess. The writers have never let us down on a big issue before, so we have to reason to not trust them now. 


 

 

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I think a lot of times we forget our roots. When you first heard of the show you probably thought it sounded stupid, but you were pleasantly surprised. A lot of people thought A Canterlot Wedding would be stupid and were pleasantly surprised. Now a lot of people think Twilicorn and Equestria Girls are stupid, and I believe they will be pleasantly surprised.


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The reason people got angry at the Derpy drama is that Derpy was nothing more than an animation error (or something of the sort, like an animator having fun) and the fandom saw it and played upon it the same way it does with Luna. The producers noticed it and started dropping Derpy here and there for the fans to find her. It was them, talking to us. She got so popular she got a few lines in an episode. Them, came down the hammer. I don't find offensive that they make a fat pony to be stupid, so why is Derpy suddenly offensive? but then the problem is not even that: it is that the it was a blatant example of downright censoring the show. People didn't like it and they were right. Unnecessary.

 

I can't argue about Canterlot Wedding, but it still doesn't have one of the problems with EqG. It was an episode of the show. It actually had the ponies, it was in Equestria. EqG is not an episode: it's a movie. That has the MLP:FIM logo on it. Nothing they do with it's plot will change this. (I wonder of Principal Celestia raises the sun in that Doughworld) This is Hasbro messing with the show again. Yes, it's their IP, yadda yadda... But the very reason FIM is so good is that the authors had creative freedom.

 

MMC is still open, as Meghan McCarthy said, the next season opener is a direct sequence to it.

 

So, blind faith in the DHX staff is not even a point to be discussed here. There are already elements that people don't like in EqG. And with good reason. People are right in criticizing what they see, specially if the movie comes out and everything they've been saying ends up being true.

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Before Magical Mystery Cure aired, when we learned that Twilight would become a princess, we thought it would mean that she would become the most dominant thing in Equestria, while her friends were left in the dust in-terms of power.  When we saw the episode ourselves, we then learned that as a princess, Twilight won't dominate her friends, but rather unite and empower them, which is what a true leader normally does with his or her followers.  That, and Twilight's favorite hobby -- reading books and studying magic -- were all tied to her inevitable rise to power as alicorn princess of Equestria.  And, she won't outlive her friends, either, even as an alicorn.

 

Not really. We saw the episode and heard what was said, but we can't make that particular judgement until S4 comes around.

I still don't mind Twilicorn; I'm waiting for S4 to see how they write her, but it's still to early to call it either way.


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Not really. We saw the episode and heard what was said, but we can't make that particular judgement until S4 comes around.

I still don't mind Twilicorn; I'm waiting for S4 to see how they write her, but it's still to early to call it either way.

What about Twilight Sparkle and The Crystal Heart Spell, the kids' novel by C.M. Berrow?  In that book, we gained the chance to see Twilight adjust to her new life as princess.

 

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Why are you being such a negaton?  The movie isn't even out yet, and you're jumping to too many conclusions.

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What about Twilight Sparkle and The Crystal Heart Spell, the kids' novel by C.M. Berrow?  In that book, we gained the chance to see Twilight adjust to her new life as princess.

 

Is that book canon?

In any case, GM Berrow isn't a writer for the show, so that doesn't necessarily mean that the show will follow what he writes.


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Why are you being such a negaton?  The movie isn't even out yet, and you're jumping to too many conclusions.
 

 

I'm not. I'm stating my opinion. You don't have to agree to it, and we can still have a nice conversation about it if you disagree with me.

Just please, don't say that I'm "hating" because that just pisses me off. It's MLP, a movie and I probably could buy it as soon as it came out on DVD o Blu-Ray. I would love to enjoy it, if it didn't have a lot of things about it that just makes me not like it.



Is that book canon?

In any case, GM Berrow isn't a writer for the show, so that doesn't necessarily mean that the show will follow what he writes.

There's a tweet by Meghan McCarthy saying that she was asked a few things when the book was being written. It's not really very clear, as far as I know, if the thing is canon or not.


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I've missed a lot of it because I haven't even watched until the end yet (and so I wasn't in the middle of any of the controversies) but I still feel people have reasons to get upset with things... Not everyone can agree... I don't think everyone winded up 100% satisfied with the way certain things were dealt with (from what I gathered) so for them especially, they have some reason to anticipate another let down with the movie. For those who ended up being pleasantly surprised by other issues, hopefully they're being more open-minded this time around with the movie.

 

Personally, I don't like the idea of following the trends by making them human and I think a pony movie could've been a huge hit. ALL little girls love ponies even if they don't know MLP:FiM.

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This thread suggest the strategy of an optimist.
Pessimists prefer to keep their expectations low and be skeptical so that even if things end up being bad, it wouldn't be as bad as they expected them to be. This strategy is as valid as the strategy of an optimist.

 

I joined fandom shortly after the derpygate was over so I knew that she was censored and fans kept her alive in fanon.

 

I was a little bit worried about Canterlot Wedding but it worked for me and it's one of my favorite episodes. Still, Cadance and Shining Armor are bland characters and they're the least liked according to Brony Herd Census but since they aren't the main characters, they are easy to ignore.

 

Twilicorn is still unresolved. I didn't react negatively to the news even though I understand that it's a major game breaker. M.A. Larson's tweets almost convinced me that it might work. But I still I braced myself for the worst. The episode ended up being even worse than my most pessimistic expectations. I still have to wait for a closure in Season 4 but I expect another drama because I can't see how writers can fix it without splitting the fandom.

 

I don't care about EqG but I hope it will provide some information about Twilicorn.

 

 

 

There's a tweet by Meghan McCarthy saying that she was asked a few things when the book was being written. It's not really very clear, as far as I know, if the thing is canon or not.
 

G.M. Berrow was interviewed in April. The Crystal Heart Spell isn't canon to MLP:FIM.

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EG is asking more of us as an audience than previous episodes. It's asking us to believe that a good My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic movie can be made without any of those things. Moreover, we're be asked to accept that this is a better concept for a movie than anything of the other concepts they could be basing a movie on. I remain deeply skeptical.

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I'm not so surprised about fans jumping to conclusions. They love doing it and a lot of people just jump in the bandwagon for the sake of fanning the flames. As annoying and infuriating as it seems, personally, I don't give two cents about the dramas going on in the fandom. I don't jump to conclusions like some fans do but I do keep my expectations low for each episode. If it's good, then I'm glad I'm proven wrong. If it's bad, then there's nothing to get butthurt about. I'll do the same for EqG. As the food critic Anton Ego from Ratatouille said: "Surprise me".

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Very well said!

 

I hope your intuitions regarding this are correct!  (I would love to have my fears/concerns/worries after seeing the trailer proven wrong!!!)

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Over the past couple of years since all this started there's one thing that just doesn't seem to stick and that the fact that you can't please every one all the time.

 

The writers do do their best in what ever situation and I do fully believe that.

 

How I look at a lot of these issues is by gut reaction. I defended derpys voice, Cadence and Twilycorn

 

But my guts tellin me that EQG is just not going to be... true to FIM.

 

Not saying its going to be a bad movie, nor am I hatein on it. I'm just saying that what they dun should not have been for a first issue movie where first time parents are going to see it and use that to pass judgement on the brony community and it won't be right

 

And my guts aint been wrong yet.. but like I said, ya can't please everyone so I'm just gunna ride this one out as well and hope the wave isn't big enough to swamp the boat were all sitting in

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I think the reason why people tend to have overreactions about change that occurs in the show is partly due to their immense love of the show and the fanbase, and the connection they have to it.

 

Its like this, people already dislike change, but alot of the fans of the show are also connected to this show, which connects them to the fandom.

 

Now when something changes in the show, or something is announced to change, they start to feel a bit uneasy about it, because they don't want the show they love to be ruined, because not only would the show be ruined, but they might also lose their connection they feel to the fandom.

 

I hope that all makes sense, but thats my theory as to why generally we end up with overreactions in the fandom. 

 

Now do I agree with these overreactions really? Well no not really, but I do kinda understand them, atleast part of it to some extent I think.

 

I personally wait to judge things typically though. I don't like to get worked up to soon about something.


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