Blame yourself: A small rant

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

Okay, so the other day I started making an music arrangement of Rainbow Factory and just to be curious, wanted to see what people thought of the visuals. I happen to come across this comment where a father told the owner of the vid to take it down because of his young daughter. According to the father, the young daughter encountered the vid and after watching it, she was found "sobbing and shaking in bed." And then he's gonna call the police and his lawyer to deal with this vid. 

 

I'm like "what the hay!" You leave your daughter alone, as young as she is to surf the web on her own and then she happens to click on Rainbow Factory and blame the owner. How DARE you blame someone for making your daughter scared and crying over a vid SHE found. Why don't you just blame your stupid a**, for leaving her unattended, on the web with no one watching her in case she comes across something as scary and gory as Rainbow Factory. 

 

Some parents these days need to go back to parenting school and learn that leaving your 5 year old daughter alone on the internet is just downright irresponsible. 

 

And second, people have the right to do whatever they please. Oh sure, Rainbow Factory is NOT the most pleasant thing to watch, but some people just like that type of stuff. But to some, it's downright disturbing and wrong to put ponies in that situation they would normally never be in. 

 

So, to end this short rant, I'd like to say one thing to parents who encounter this thread: be smart and always keep watch over your young child while he/she is on the internet, and don't blame others for scaring your child. 

 

Any thoughts?

[Esk 201]

Agreed. Computers have parental settings and mature content filters for a reason. Don't parents realize that there's always going to be mature content like this floating around, even for stuff like MLP?

[Quilava 1,290]

In all honesty, 
 

I think this has as much power as the supposed people who are "top snipers in the Navy" and are trained in "gorilla" warfare. By now, it's just another copypasta that circulates the web in hopes of trying to spark controversy. Besides, whenever a child is scarred from/of something, they usually turn it off so they aren't exposed to it anymore (common sense for them)...though..there are some that aren't too..."bright"..but there's always someone.

[Sir Cal Stonehoof 596]

Honestly Thunder Dash..I think you were dealing with a troll, nothing more. If someone finds a video offensive, then they flag it, not just jump to getting a lawyer. But for the most part I agree with your rant. Parents need to be parents, and not let the internet, or television be the babysitters. That cycle continues and we wonder why there are foul mouthed, ignorant, entitled feeling brats out in the world today. 

[Grand_Finale 529]

These comments ar emuch more common than you would think. its just a very uncreative troll trying to stir up some trouble. just discard it and move on

[Scootaloodle 1,623]

Well some people have said it's a troll: I'm not sure it could be

 

Personally I agree that parents should keep an eye on there kids if there browsing the internet and keep safe filter stuff turned on.

 

If this dad is genuine and annoyed because of the video that shook his kid up: then to be honest I can see it from his point of view. I'd be a bit annoyed if someone made a gory horrible video of a cartoon my kid watched that left him or her shaken up and would possibly complain 

[Chain Combo 135]

I saw one of MisterDavies videos(the guy who made the cupcakes video), he wrote an attorney's contact  info on one of his videos I was dying.

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

Honestly Thunder Dash..I think you were dealing with a troll, nothing more. If someone finds a video offensive, then they flag it, not just jump to getting a lawyer. But for the most part I agree with your rant. Parents need to be parents, and not let the internet, or television be the babysitters. That cycle continues and we wonder why there are foul mouthed, ignorant, entitled feeling brats out in the world today. 

You have a point. Parents can be sometimes trolls or trolls can disguise themselves as angry parents, just so they can make someone angry for fun, which...is the most stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Not judging them. 

[Smarts 1,622]

I have seen many comments like those before. Honestly, it is just someone with no life typing that to spark internet arguments and attract attention. These people are more commonly known as trolls. You are better off ignoring them.

[Sky Warden 2,243]

Yes, of course I have a thought. You just lost my respect. I don't like the way you react to it, no matter if it's just a troll or real, or even if you are the troll.

 

Not everyone can babysit their children 24 hours from sicked minded people who are well-known as trolls. Can you? Saying that the father is stupid because of that, is like calling him an idiot because a random asshole stabbed her daughter on her way home without any reason whatsoever. What's the excuse? Maybe the asshole is a psychopath who likes stabbing people. Okay then, blame the parents because asking psychopath to control his own madness isn't fair. Everyone can wander around the town, doing whatever they please. It's the parent's fault because they don't give their daughter 24 hours security to protect her.

 

What the father did is reasonable. Imagine finding your daughter sobbing and shaking in fear like that. The last time the similar thing happened to my little sister, I wanted to rip the neck of the person behind it, with my bare hands, even until now. The video owner must, at least, prohibit access to the video by age, or something better than "This video contains excessive gore, and other madnesses with the same amount as the colours of the rainbow."

 

It's nothing personal. It's just the way you react and blame the parents in this case, imaginary or not, is ignorant.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Aerial Stream

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

Unfortunately, this world of ours has people who deliberately try and annoy people, and those who seem to be idiots. Any parent should know about filters etc, and yes, most children will turn off something that displeases them.

 

But I also think children are too shielded by their parents sometimes. I know a 10yr old fan of MLP who has read everything: cupcakes and worse. (I don't know how much she understood though).

 

I agree with just ignoring people who try such things, although perhaps he is justified in his reaction- the thing about the internet is it is so easy to lie...

[Scootalove 10,689]

I guess the parent really needs to watch their child because, if you don't want your child watching something like this then you should watch your child more instead of getting angry over a video. So, I guess the parent needs to know to keep their child away from gore and violent content.

[John 793]

Here, we have to keep in mind that this kind of content was never expected to be made for the show.  As someone who believes in internet freedom, I would usually side with the makers of the video, HOWEVER, due to its unnecessarily gory and extremely unpleasant themes, I don't even know If I would want such a video to be on YouTube, especially if there's no "Under 18" warning.  These parents are not being overprotective like some are, they just recognize that "something is wrong here."  If we want to post stuff like that, we have our own sites.

 

The internet is free, yes, but there's something called "civility" especially when dealing with such available sites which are generally recognized as "safe" by the general populace. (YouTube, ect.)  Gore is an adult theme (in my opinion a pointless theme) and should be restricted to adult sites.

 

When you are a child searching for "ponies" on the internet, I highly doubt you're going to expect such a video.  I don't want anyone saying that the internet is only for adults, as it is for literally everyone.  The internet is however public, and we should act (on large public sites such as YouTube) with the same courtesy that we have when we are in public IRL.  This, people, is why age limits should be instituted on such videos, or they should never be posted on YouTube.

 

Weather the comment was troll or truth, my comment still stands.  It still can happen.

Edited July 30, 2013 by John

[Dr. Eggnog 203]

Is there a way to give two brohoofs?

 

Seriously, it should be really obvious that little kids should not be allowed on the internet.  IT'S THE INTERNET.

[Remi 1,309]

This type of comment has been encountered on countless videos that I've seen, including CollegeHumor Videos, Cupcake HD, and various others. 

This is actually a [troll] comment, as for the fact of suing a person for uploading a video onto the internet is an extremely idiotic case.

On a Jake & Amir episode from CollegeHumor, the comment was this one:

I had been noticing my [daughter's] behaviour change in a dramatic way, she has started to curse, saying [sh*t and f*ck.] I wondered where she had gotten this behaviour, and she showed me this video. I'd like to kindly ask you to take this video down, or else I will call my lawyers and have them deal with your channel. Thank you.

I had encountered this comment on at least 3 videos of the Jake & Amir series, and the comment was certified with the act of [trolling]. So do not fret, he is simply a troll.

[Sugar Pea 2,682]

Honestly, reading these responses give a good point. 
I really wouldn't blame the father for this, and I think it's the right thing to do. The daughter was just being an average little girl and happened to look up ponies...
You also give a good point about the father leaving their young daughter unsupervised during web surfing, I would have to put my two cents into this one and say that I don't think the father knew that she would click on a disgusting video. 

[CT-1138 3,182]

As much as I think it's a troll comment, you do make a good point, OP. Heck, Google "Rainbow Dash" right now, and not only does "Rainbow Dash - You're Gonna Go Far Kid" come up as the third link (the song has several F-bombs), but "rainbow dash r34" comes up as a suggested option. Now, any little kid clicking away willy nilly (as I used to do when I was new to the internet) would easily think nothing of Rule 34. They wouldn't know what it is. And bam, you got a kid looking up pony porn by mistake. It's up to a parent to make sure this doesn't happen. Don't scream and cry that you want censorship because it gives you an excuse to dump your kids in front of a screen and then go off doing whatever the heck you want. Part of being a parent is, ya know, parenting. When you have a kid, you have to be responsible enough to be aware of them, what they're doing, and to teach them at a young enough age so that when they're teenagers, you can let them off the leash without having to worry obsessively about them. Being a parent means preparing your child to know how to take care of themselves. That's how parenting has worked for the past several hundred million years that there's been complex life on this planet, and it's seemed to have worked out pretty well so far. 

[Limey 524]

As much as I agree with you that this is an overreaction on the father's part, I'm going to have to go with Aerial Stream on this one. You can't monitor your kids 24/7. Lets say for a minute that you were the father. Say that you needed to collect something quickly and you left the house for about five minutes, and came home to find out this had happened. Can you honestly say you wouldn't act more or less the same way? I know I would (minus the YouTube commenting, obviously. I would have calmed down by that stage.)

 

You can't blame people for defending what they care about, in fact that's exactly what's going on here! You're defending this video from whatever this guy said, the same way this guy is defending his daughter. Ranting on the internet may not be the most reasonable or clever way to vent your anger, but then we aren't the most reasonable or clever creatures when we are angry, are we?

 

In conclusion, I can't really blame the guy for acting like this, but I can't blame you for responding like this either.

 

Alternately, it could just be a troll. In which case, I've wasted about 800 characters of text. *shrugs*

Edited July 30, 2013 by Spess

[Thrashy 2,800]

 

 

As much as I agree with you that this is an overreaction on the father's part, I'm going to have to go with Aerial Stream on this one. You can't monitor your kids 24/7. Lets say for a minute that you were the father. Say that you needed to collect something quickly and you left the house for about five minutes, and came home to find out this had happened. Can you honestly say you wouldn't act more or less the same way? I know I would (minus the YouTube commenting, obviously. I would have calmed down by that stage.)

 

First off, once my children reached the age that I would even allow them to use my computer - let alone the Internet - the very first thing I would do is put a password protect on the log-on screen so that I or my hypothetical wife would be required to log in for them. In such a scenario, a simple "Start > Log Off" would've prevented this entire thing from occurring (if it ever occurred at all).

 

Second, when should a parent ever leave a young child alone, even for 5 minutes? I don't care if you're only going next door to ask the neighbors for a cup of...I don't know, fucking Ex Lax or something, the point is that you simply do not leave a child unsupervised by at least someone you can remotely trust, even if it's your 12-year-old niece. And even then, that's kind of iffy.

 

I'm not a fan of the grimdark stuff to be found within the fandom, myself, but I would never campaign to have it all stricken from the web completely. The Internet is full of horrors; even if MLP clop and grimdark pics didn't exist, there's a crap ton of other vile crap that children will inevitably stumble upon if left to surf the net unsupervised. Either watch their every move while they're using the computer, or lock them out of it until you're available to watch their every move.

 

When they hit puberty, then hey, it's no holds barred - let 'em go nuts. That's about the time where they're kind of expected to lose their innocence, anyway. -_-

[Mzukiller 233]

I'm not going to defend Rainbow Factory, first off. Because what the fuck does that look like when grown men turn ponies into a freaking slasher film?

 

Anyway, on one hand, YES the internet is a disgusting place and people should know that, but on the other I can't blame him for being angry that this stuff exist in the first place, assuming it's not a troll of course. This would be different if this was the Game of Thrones fandom, and she found a sex scene. Because that's in the show. BUT like I said, we turned a kids show into creepypasta and nihilistic, snuff films. I would be angry, for sure that my daughter found this. But at the same time, why didn't he have safe search on?

 

So in my opinion blame goes both ways.

[John 793]

First off, once my children reached the age that I would even allow them to use my computer - let alone the Internet - the very first thing I would do is put a password protect on the log-on screen so that I or my hypothetical wife would be required to log in for them. In such a scenario, a simple "Start > Log Off" would've prevented this entire thing from occurring (if it ever occurred at all).

 

Second, when should a parent ever leave a young child alone, even for 5 minutes? I don't care if you're only going next door to ask the neighbors for a cup of...I don't know, fucking Ex Lax or something, the point is that you simply do not leave a child unsupervised by at least someone you can remotely trust, even if it's your 12-year-old niece. And even then, that's kind of iffy.

 

I'm not a fan of the grimdark stuff to be found within the fandom, myself, but I would never campaign to have it all stricken from the web completely. The Internet is full of horrors; even if MLP clop and grimdark pics didn't exist, there's a crap ton of other vile crap that children will inevitably stumble upon if left to surf the net unsupervised. Either watch their every move while they're using the computer, or lock them out of it until you're available to watch their every move.

 

When they hit puberty, then hey, it's no holds barred - let 'em go nuts. That's about the time where they're kind of expected to lose their innocence, anyway. -_-

 

The internet will become necessary for many many things in the near future, and our entire western society will become almost holistically dependent on it, both children and adults.  Because of this, stating that "the internet is only for adults or teens" is a silly remark.  Much of society will conform to the internet soon.  Also, it is not irresponsible for parents to be away from their kids for short amounts of time.  As a defender of internet freedom, I usually value our rites to express ourselves, I just believe that such a disgustingly horrible video should be allowed on a site that is accessed by everyone.  Including children.  Hell, I wouldn't even want to come across that video as a 19 year old.  Its simply put, fucked up, and if we have any more cares to give about our society we will have the civility to not post such terrible things where anybody and everybody can see it.  YouTube is a corporate owned website that asks us to put age restrictions on violent or gory videos.  If we don't do that and then blame people who we're disturbed by such a video, who is actually to blame?  We have our own websites.

 

There's no porn on YouTube; why is there such intense gore?  Both can be disturbing.  If it makes you feel good to see innocent things tortured and killed, ESPECIALLY when those things are represented as sentient, then you need psychological help.  There's a difference between dark humor and needless blood and guts.

 

And as a fandom that is interested in a show that is anything but intense gore, why are some of us wanting to emphasize it?

Edited July 30, 2013 by John

[Justin ZW 396]

See, accountability is funny. No one in America wants to take responsibility for anything, so they just blame something else. That's the American way.

 

And people wonder why I hate my country.

[Thrashy 2,800]

Because of this, stating that "the internet is only for adults or teens" is a silly remark.

 

 

Which is a remark I never actually made, so I'm a little mystified as to why you put quotation marks around that statement...putting words in people's mouths, I think, is the real silly thing to be found here. I honestly don't mean to sound like a dick, but come on, man, did you even bother reading anything I wrote before the last line? Allow me to reiterate in-context:

 

Teens and adults are the only ones whose Internet usage needn't be supervised. =/= The internet is only for adults or teens.

 

If for whatever reason you find objectionable the idea that young children's Internet usage should be monitored, then pray tell me your reasoning, because I think it's a fairly universal sentiment that it is the job of the parents to shield their children from what they don't want them to be seeing. It's not the responsibility of a largely unrestricted medium such as the Internet.

 

 

Also, it is not irresponsible for parents to be away from their kids for short amounts of time.

 

It kind of is, actually. I'm sure many a still-grieving parent can tell you some horror stories about leaving their children unattended for less than a minute, only to come back and find them missing.

 

Bottom line, either make sure your kid is with someone before you leave, or take them with you. Neither option is really that difficult, and if you really can't go through with either, then maybe what you need to do can just wait.

 

 

As a defender of internet freedom, I usually value our rites to express ourselves, I just believe that such a disgustingly horrible video should be allowed on a site that is accessed by everyone.  Including children. Hell, I wouldn't even want to come across that video as a 19 year old.  Its simply put, fucked up, and if we have any more cares to give about our society we will have the civility to not post such terrible things where anybody and everybody can see it.  YouTube is a corporate owned website that asks us to put age restrictions on violent or gory videos.  If we don't do that and then blame people who we're disturbed by such a video, who is actually to blame?  We have our own websites.  There's no porn on YouTube; why is there such intense gore?  Both can be disturbing.  

 

 

I can agree insofar as YouTube really shouldn't be the appropriate place to post gory or sexual content, given that it's a site that practically everybody and their grandmother has access to. And yes, if someone fails to tag their particularly vulgar video in a way that prompts an age restriction page when accessed, that person is clearly in the wrong and should have their account penalized.

 

However, let me just say that I've seen the Rainbow Factory video, and while I personally feel its premise is dumb, unnecessary, cruel and outright depressing (not to mention the song itself is pretty mediocre), I don't see anything overtly vile about it. The violence is merely implied, and nothing but a few pinkish "blood" smears and some completely intact "corpses" are shown. Definitely tame compared to some of the other stuff I've seen on YouTube, and while I can see a child perhaps crying after seeing it, I certainly can't see it fucking a kid up enough to make her practically convulse on her bed in tears (which is what really makes me think this entire story is just some run-of-the-mill copypasta BS).

 

 

If it makes you feel good to see innocent things tortured and killed, ESPECIALLY when those things are represented as sentient, then you need psychological help.  There's a difference between dark humor and needless blood and guts.

 

 

That's what many people say about clopping - that wanking to cartoon horsies makes you some kind of psychological wreck. Personally, I think putting ponies in sexual (i.e., pleasurable) situations is much preferable to putting them through pain and misery. But if you like something, you like something. For grimdark fans, there's genuine interest in seeing these bright and colorful ponies put into situations that they would never, ever, ever, ever encounter in the show. Who are we to tell them that's wrong? I don't like it either, but that's why I don't actively go looking for the stuff.

 

Sure, grimdark artists should keep their material within the communities that enjoy that stuff, just as clop artists should keep clop material within their communities. And sure, those who spread it all over sites where ordinary people can and most likely will be going are clearly very rude people. But at the end of the day, things slip through the cracks; that's just a fact of life, and no amount of Internet regulation is going to change that. Therefore, parental monitoring is the only feasible way to prevent the innocent from stumbling upon that sort of stuff, simple as that.

 

 

[Sky Warden 2,243]

 

 

Is there a way to give two brohoofs?   Seriously, it should be really obvious that little kids should not be allowed on the internet.  IT'S THE INTERNET.

 

Oh, yes, of course. The Internet is only for adults. The inventor indeed meant it to be so. Oh, wait. Kids can see people making out in the street as well. That kind of stuff isn't for children. I know! Why don't we just take off every kids eyes so they don't have to see horrible things in life? We can blind them! OH! There's still bad words coming out from angry people out there. That's not nice either. Let's cut off our children's ears too. That will solve all problems.

 

You know, it's ridiculous to waste our breaths just because of one ignorant rant.

[CT-1138 3,182]

Seriously? Seriously Guiz? We all know how serous the Internet is. We're a no-joke zone, where only the toughest of the tough can survive.