You will live forever

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

You will never die, nor will anybody. Nothing ever dies.

 

Reason being that time is not a linear thing, it is just one of the many ingredients that is the frothy soup of existence. As such, time is actually irrelevant to the state of things within existence.

 

For this reason, even if you died today, you'd still be alive yesterday, which, on a quantum level, means you'll be alive forever.

 

Discuss your thoughts on this.

Edited August 10, 2013 by Harmonic Revelations

[Rockymoo 2,137]

Using that logic, I'm 5 years old.

And jobless.

And still eating lunchables out of a Garfield lunchbox.

And playing with legos.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Using that logic, I'm 5 years old.

And jobless.

And still eating lunchables out of a Garfield lunchbox.

And playing with legos.

Using that logic, you're actually every possible age at the same time, and you're also in every possible state of existence at the same time.

Edited August 10, 2013 by Harmonic Revelations

[DaReaper 1,945]

That sounds like something out of Men In Black, if true man i would luke to reach bllack and slap myself a few times and i difinitly wouldnt have bought SOCOM Confrontation, and a few ither things

[rvb 19]

To say it another way, "Time exists inside of you, you do not exist inside of time."  There is only the eternal "now moment" -- everything exists now.  And since you exist now you must always exist because time is just a side-effect of our current reality.

 

I once heard a conversation that went like this, and it always stuck with me:

 

Person A: "You cannot prove that the past exists."

Person B: "Of course I can -- we have photographs!"

Person A: "Yes, but you're looking at them in the present."

 

Another way of putting it is, "We each do not just live forever, we are forever."  Everything that exists is a unique facet, a unique perspective, within All That Is.  So yes, everything is All That Is and All That Is is everything.

 

I do enjoy topics like this, but it's OK with me if others don't necessarily see it the same way -- that's just one of the things that make life so (existence!) so interesting.  I love you all!  

Edited August 10, 2013 by rvb

[Scootalove 10,689]

This reminds me of the Matrix. If I was able to live forever, I would probably wish that some games that I hated have never existed, and all of the crappy new shows that Nick and Cartoon Network are able to make.

[Betez 1,734]

Okay, but will I realize it? Will I be aware that I am living after I've died? Will I still be alive?

 

This may not be what you're saying, but I'll still exist after I die. My corpse, or what's left of it, will still be here. And the atoms that once made up me will, unless I'm completely wrong, always be somewhere. But, that means I'm not original. If all the matter originally came from somewhere, and new matter can't be created out of nothing, then the atoms that make me up right probably used to be a part of something else a long, long time ago.

Edited August 10, 2013 by Betez

[rvb 19]

My take: yes, you will always exist and you will always keep your memories (although memories are just the sensing of other "now moments" from any given present moment).  You will always rediscover more of what you are, and it will never end because existence, and therefore you, are eternal.  There will always be new experiences and new realities, but you will still be you -- although "more" than what you perceive now.  There is choice (free will) at every point. 

 

EDIT:

Regarding your question:  "But, that means I'm not original" -- there is no single "original" -- you are multi-dimensional but you only perceive one "version" of yourself at a time in our consensus reality in this universe.

 

Every being that exists creates its own reality because there is nothing "outside" of you -- you are All That Is and All That Is is you.  This also means that you are every other being (and "thing") in existence (but you don't perceive it from this reality), and every other being is you (every being/thing is a different perspective within All That is [you]).  

 

To say it another way, your spirit (soul/existence) does not exist inside your body, your body exists inside of you (spirit).  You are infinite, eternal, indestructible.  So when you "die", you simply "wake up" in spirit, outside of physical reality as we see it here.  

 

If you're interested, search for "bashar shifting through infinity" on youtube.    

Edited August 10, 2013 by rvb

[MichaelxXxTrixie 433]

These thoughts hurt my head but here's my take on it.

 

Time is basically a product of our brains from what I have heard, we process things as having a beginning and an end. Our brains regulate the speed of life, it can speed time up or just slow it down which is a thing we all encounter. So it's safe to say our brain has control over 'time.' 

 

Here's the big thing though, if time did exist it would be regulated the same for everyone. 

 

So everything is happening at once? Does that mean we are in some kind of suspended reality that happened instantly, it's just our brains able to stop it in a 'now.' It makes sense to a degree, The Big Bang could of not occurred if it had a beginning and from that we can infer it doesn't have an end. This very well means that the only relevance to any existence is what our brains have processed.

 

Now this may all sound like I'm blabbering about meaningless non-sense, but I'm getting to my point.

 

If we truly live in the now, then that means we will live forever. Each frame of our life exists individually if everything has happened at once, our future has already happened and our past has already happened. When we are dead and gone we will still in-fact exist, but no-one will be capable of comprehending or conceiving us because of our brains limitations of beginnings and ends.

 

Sorry if that doesn't make much sense, this topic screws my mind up so I can't clearly get my thoughts out on it.

 

In closing though, we shouldn't worry about this and just live and be happy because we're thinking about things that our brains are not supposed to be capable of processing. 

[Golurk 468]

Reminds me of something else I heard:

 

At every possible point in time, a multitude of things could happen. For every possibility, a new "timeline" occurs in which one thing happened as opposed to every other possibility. Meaning that if you were to die right now of a heart attack, there's also an infinite number of timelines in which you didn't. Your perspective of you is dead, yes, but in every other timeline, you live on. Conversely, there's a timeline in which, in every single nanosecond of your life, you died. Consider yourself lucky that this current timeline hasn't killed you yet, but unlucky that there inevitably will be a timeline that kills "you" you.

 

I believe this theory is "Quantum Immortality", or something of that nature.

[valete 195]

It's nice to know that we'll forever be alive in some sense, according to that logic. 

 

It is, however, still disappointing that we (the current version of ourselves that we are conscious of) will be at some point, dead. 

 

And even if we were still alive at a different time-frame, it would still be a different version of ourselves that we can't really control or experience the lives of. 

[ReGen 1,466]

Of course i'll live forever, I am the Highlander after all...

 

 

My take: yes, you will always exist and you will always keep your memories (although memories are just the sensing of other "now moments" from any given present moment).  You will always rediscover more of what you are, and it will never end because existence, and therefore you, are eternal.  There will always be new experiences and new realities, but you will still be you -- although "more" than what you perceive now.  There is choice (free will) at every point. 

 

EDIT:

Regarding your question:  "But, that means I'm not original" -- there is no single "original" -- you are multi-dimensional but you only perceive one "version" of yourself at a time in our consensus reality in this universe.

 

Every being that exists creates its own reality because there is nothing "outside" of you -- you are All That Is and All That Is is you.  This also means that you are every other being (and "thing") in existence (but you don't perceive it from this reality), and every other being is you (every being/thing is a different perspective within All That is [you]).  

 

To say it another way, your spirit (soul/existence) does not exist inside your body, your body exists inside of you (spirit).  You are infinite, eternal, indestructible.  So when you "die", you simply "wake up" in spirit, outside of physical reality as we see it here.  

 

If you're interested, search for "bashar shifting through infinity" on youtube.    

 

 

Anyways, I really like this thread, guys. This really makes me think about what'll happen after I "die". Anybody think this has anything to do with Reincarnation? That's the first thing that popped into my mind....

[Stoney Pony 100]

Using that logic, you're actually every possible age at the same time, and you're also in every possible state of existence at the same time.

*MINDBLOWN* 

So technically there is a universe where i am a Famous race car driver, a secret agent and Batman all at the same exact time?....... MY GOD..... IM AWESOME! 

[rvb 19]

Anyways, I really like this thread, guys. This really makes me think about what'll happen after I "die". Anybody think this has anything to do with Reincarnation? That's the first thing that popped into my mind....

 

My perspective on it is that each of us is multi-dimensional and has multiple simultaneous co-existing incarnations that all exist now since "now" is all there is.  "Time" does not exist outside of you -- you are All That Is, so time exists inside of you: you are not subject to time, time is subject to you -- otherwise you would not be eternal.  What we from our linear perspective call "past" and "future" are just experiences, "points-of-view", because we in this reality experience things in a linear fashion.  So yes, from a linear perspective we would label those other incarnations as "past lives" and "future lives", but since everything exists right now those other incarnations already exist right now as well (literally).

 

There are an infinite number of parallel realities and other versions of you (and other versions me and everything else in Creation).  That includes an infinite number of parallel Earths where every "version" of you on each of those Earths believes he is the only version and that the reality he is experiencing is "real".  Each one of them experiences birth, life, and death, but each of them is eternal, infinite, and indestructible just as everything is in existence.  Each one has its own path, its own memories, and its own experiences.  Each is equally valid as any other.

 

I really liked Bashar's take on this -- if you're interested, search for "Bashar reincarnation and reappearance" on youtube.  

Edited August 11, 2013 by rvb

[Princess Periwinkle 3,775]

Time is definitely something that no one on this planet understands. We try to "time" it with minutes and seconds, but in reality time doesn't work in chunks. It is a fluid dimension.

 

It's all very confusing, so I think I'll stop now.

Edited August 11, 2013 by Sky Chaser

[techno915 408]

Using that logic, I'm 5 years old.

And jobless.

And still eating lunchables out of a Garfield lunchbox.

And playing with legos.

that would be such an awesome life, reliving my childhood. or, what i had of one. legos was pretty much all i had of one. not bad, but still.

[Sky Warden 2,243]

Does that even change anything? I mean, the idea of living forever is my most-want thing to achieve. I will do anything for immortality, but all this quantum thingy, does that even change anything? I mean, our body will still be decomposed. Those carbons. Our brain will slowly disappear. Thoughts are generated by brain right? It's a kind of *bip* *bup* pulse generated by life energy. Like 0 1 in computer, I think. If the motherboard is gone, the binary is gone right? The process stops. The memory is left there, inactive. No process. Dead.

 

That's what I know about death. We will still be dying, and decomposed, no matter how much knowledge or data we have in our hard disk. The hard disk will be broken. The data will be corrupted. The processor will stop. Dead. Your philosophy about existence will be dead.

 

I will be very grateful if someone can give me an explanation, because... well... I'm afraid of nothing but death.

Edited August 11, 2013 by Sky Warden

[Cobalt Thunder 32]

The biggest problem with this theory is that we are living right now and we are not experiencing any other life. For this to have any ground to stand on we would have to be a able to see through the eyes of every single one of those people, which we don't. We would have to transfer our being/soul into that other version of ourselves after we die basically reincarnation. Though to believe this you would have to believe that there is a soul in everyone which also means that there is a higher being because there is no scientific way to create a soul.

Edited August 11, 2013 by Cobalt Thunder

[Circadian 1,273]

 

 

Reason being that time is not a linear thing, it is just one of the many ingredients that is the frothy soup of existence. As such, time is actually irrelevant to the state of things within existence.

 

If the universe is infinite, certain patterns would emerge. One of those patterns being you. So every time you died you're consciousness would just pick up right at the beginning. We're stuck in an infinite loop. 

[I used to be a stranger 7,994]

If souls exist (under the assumption that souls operate independently of matter), then every human being is going to live forever, since their body is temporary but their soul is not.

 

If the soul will live forever and many different paradigms of life and existence implore that there is a great deal of importance as to how this lifetime is spent since it will have infinite consequence to an eternal life outside of material reality as we know of it, then the most logical thing to do is consider and research the claims of these life and existential paradigms with great care and concentration.

[Sky Warden 2,243]

If souls exist (under the assumption that souls operate independently of matter), then every human being is going to live forever, since their body is temporary but their soul is not.

 

The question is, are those souls just thoughts? I believe they exist, and are in a form of vibrations which represent their thoughts while they were alive. Those 'shamans' in my traditional culture interact with them by feeling the vibrations and feel the thoughts. It's like a strong vibration is 'hot', but more complicated.

 

Everything vibrates. Particles vibrate. Martial artists from my sect have a technique to detect particle vibrations with our sharpened senses. The main practice is the blindfold technique. Vibration indicates that there's an object nearby, and we can avoid bumping into the object by feeling its vibration, but there's a more complicated thing behind it. We also can differ colour, and even some of us can read text with blindfold blocking our sight. It's strange. Our master held a box in front of our hand while we were wearing a blindfold and asked what is the box's colour. Of course, we tried to guess the colour, and most of us were right. He then brought different boxes and kept asking. Again, right guesses. I don't think it's a coincidence.

 

This took my interest, and I decided to study this technique further. I realized that different colour makes different kind of vibration. Later I found out that our sect has a relation with those so-called traditional shamans. Then thoughts. Brain vibrates. Scientists have confirmed that. People can feel other's emotions. Are those vibrations? Then what are 'ghosts'?

 

Normal people also can feel their existence if they're aware enough, and those so-called shamans somehow can read the thoughts represented by their vibration. Different shaman can read the same thought of a spirit, so I guess the spirit isn't just their own imagination, but who can guarantee that this 'spirit' is really a thought? Not just a vibration which invokes a thought? Like strong vibration invokes the 'hot' feeling?

Edited August 11, 2013 by Sky Warden

[XrosOver 613]

Great! I'm dead and I'm alive! TAKE THAT BON JOVI! Or have I yet to die? Am I a clone of a previous time period or what is yet to be? Whatever the case Bon Jovi still loses.

[Dowlphin 463]

You will never die, nor will anybody. Nothing ever dies.

 

Reason being that time is not a linear thing, it is just one of the many ingredients that is the frothy soup of existence. As such, time is actually irrelevant to the state of things within existence.

 

For this reason, even if you died today, you'd still be alive yesterday, which, on a quantum level, means you'll be alive forever.

 

Discuss your thoughts on this.

I've experienced something like that first-hand with ayahuasca. It was very disturbing (massive understatement, but I lack the words to describe it accurately). It was not freakout-like scary, but it made me surrender in exhaustion in the face of overwhelming truth. I knew I needed to forget everything I had seen (spoiler alert!) in order to be able to still enjoy life.

It's good to have a desire to know mundane truths, but higher truths can become way too much for most people, and as far as I understand, one isn't supposed to cling to those perceptions. That state of awareness is mainly for healing experiences, to pay a visit, get something out of it and then leave and focus on more grounded stuff. Or maybe that was just my personal lesson. After all, you're your own teacher, because at the very core there's no-one else but God, which is you and me and everything, looking at itself eternally.

I don't care that much these days though. It can be fun to play around with these ideas, but in that area, personal experience is really the only thing that gets stuff done.

[GuerrierCosmique 146]

@Harmonic Revelations This is the concept of what I believe. When you're dead in this timeline and world, you would still be alive in another timeline, maybe somewhere in the future an ultra-advanced civilisation can travel back in time to bring us (you and me?) in the future so we can have fun there. xD Also I strongly believe in extraterrestrial life, even sentient one, plus foreign universes besides ours, new dimensionsions and strange realities, with different natural laws each. If the amount of planets, systems, galaxies, whatever the universe's structure is, universes, dimensions, realities, say "spaces" is infinitive almost everything, besides the absolute impossible (if that exists^^) would be reality, this means, if you and you're conciousness are dead in this universe, maybe, in another dimension, there is a being which "correlates" to you, so that your consciousness and ego (not the personality and memory, they would be lost together with the brain) can "switch" into the new body. Maybe all of this is guided by a sort of higher entity? Certainly.

 

Now, do I believe that if you die, a soul leaves the body, comes into a white room to meet with the loved ones from this life and then chooses to settle in a newborn somewhere on Earth, guided by choises in the former lifes? Not really, at least not in this universe. But, can it be possible, even likely, that after dead, your "soul", you're real ego, which was linked into this body out of a higher state of being, is cut from it as the connection, the brain, stops functioning to then switch and slip into another being in another dimension, without you noticing the change? Maybe.

 

From a certain point of view, to quote Obi-Wan Kenobi from Star Wars, I believe in reincarnation. Not exactly those like Hinduism and Buddhism do, with karma deciding as which species and situation you are going to be reborn in a newborn, but more "scientifically explained" and "abstract".

 

Atheism is no option, everybody needs his or her believes. <3 With so many spaces everything being reality, all religions would be right, all gods would exist. Not on/over this world, but on alternative ones. There would be a planet like our Earth, except it was created from a giant cow by titans, has a extremely long "Midgard snail" around it's equatorial zone and stands upon a magical tree and one that lasts in the middle of it's star system (Norse mythology) or an Eart with the sun and all other planets (Mars, Jupiter etc. which are inhabited, too) spinning aroung Earth, created by God (Jahwe, he certainly exists somewhere) 6K years ago (from the modern era that looks just as ours) in seven days, which has gone through events like a great flood, the building of the Babel tower etc. (the Bible).

 

Hm... I forgot to mention, some people think I'm too much into science fiction and fantasy.^^

[GhostPony750 959]

@@rvb, I heard something once, about a research.

They took people, got some childhood pictures but photoshopped one. The people usually tell what happened this day or whatever, but a soon as they pick the photoshopped picture, they start building a story around it.

 

So I guess your theory is fully plausible, since we build up the past, forget details and add some others.