So whats changed? What is stopping Luna from being consumed by jealousy again?

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

In the legend story at the beginning of the first episode, it said that Luna became jealous of Celestia because all the ponies romped and played and etc. during the day, while they slept through and 'shunned' her night. Her jealousy allowed an outside force to take control of her, turning her into nightmare moon. With the EOH, she was turned back, and lost her nightmare moon power.

 

I wrote a topic. Link: http://mlpforums.com...#entry1835228. 

 

I posted my idea of what changed, but a lot of people didn't agree. I thought that upon her return to good she created her dream-walking abilitiy so she can be of aide to the ponies even while they sleep. The replies I got suggested that she always had it, and that it didn't help. It actually exacerbated her feelings because her help could be seen as 'just a dream', thus increasing her feelings of being under-appreciated.

 

So then, what is it keeping Luna good now? Aside from nightmare night, and a few special occasions, poneis still sleep through the night. So what has changed in Luna? Things are pretty much the way they were before, in the circumstances that caused her to be consumed by jealousy and hatred before.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Never2muchpinkie

[Sparkle Speed 87]

I think it probably has to do with the thousand year imprisonment. This is like 10 times your standard life sentence. Then again I could be way off on this one

 

 

-Sparkle Speed

[DerpyTacos99 115]

Well, I saw it as being turned back into Luna made her positive memories of being with her sister resurface (her saying I missed you big sister). Plus, I thinks being affected directly by the EOH (as seen with this, discord, and sunset shimmer) has a powerful effect. Luna learned what true friendship was, by having the mane six use it on her. Discord reformed, and I think it was also partly due to this. Sunset shimmer realized what she had been doing was wrong, after having this done to her. The same way the mane six turned all of Ponyville upside down by being disconnected in magical mystery cure, the same way they reenacted the fires of friendship in hearths warming eve. I think the bond these six represent transcends whatever was plaguing these villains.

 

Luna's jealousy was due to sadness and wanting to be loved as seen in Luna eclipsed, but it turned into hate. Discord was selfish, and didn't know what it meant to really have a friend. Sunset shimmer thought she had to use power and tyranny to get others to follow her, because she didn't know how to do it any other way. These were all individuals that could understand the magic of friendship if they were given a chance. Someone like King Sombra, however, I think is incapable of that. I think his level of evil transcends the others.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

Friendship and the Elements of Harmony. These hold quite a bit of power in the MLP world.

 

Also, the ponies have come to accept her after Nightmare Night. By interacting with the Ponies on this (relatively) personal level helped them appreciate her. We also don't know how Pony dreams work. She may offer help and guidance on a regular basis through dream. I like to think that Luna is equally important as Celestia, and we simply don't see much of her because she is the Princess of the Night. This may sound bad, but it just doesn't seem like Luna being consumed by jealousy again would work well for the show. 

 

Maybe it is because of all the support from the brony community.

[Lunas Husband 2,777]

Well you see its called self control, like me and heroin. Sure I could go out and buy it and shoot it up, no one can stop me well maybe my wife but other then that I have the freedom to do it but I don't.

 

Same with Luna, sure she could be come nightmare moon at any give time but does not and fight that inner demon.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

Friendship and the Elements of Harmony. These hold quite a bit of power in the MLP world.

 

Also, the ponies have come to accept her after Nightmare Night. By interacting with the Ponies on this (relatively) personal level helped them appreciate her. We also don't know how Pony dreams work. She may offer help and guidance on a regular basis through dream. I like to think that Luna is equally important as Celestia, and we simply don't see much of her because she is the Princess of the Night. This may sound bad, but it just doesn't seem like Luna being consumed by jealousy again would work well for the show. 

 

Maybe it is because of all the support from the brony community.

Of course I can understand it from a meta perspective. But I wasn't talking about an outside view, I meant in the land of equestria.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

 

 

Of course I can understand it from a meta perspective. But I wasn't talking about an outside view, I meant in the land of equestria.

You're absolutely right. I had forgotten that Pinkie Pie is the only pony in the show who is allowed to break the fourth wall.

[King 5,625]

Its my view that Celestia is including Luna in many of her royal duties, as well as Luna going back to handling all things Night Related.

And if you remember, Nightmare night always seemed different then Luna, even if they were the same...so freeing Luna of her corruption could have cleared her mind, letting her make a more reformed decision.

 

Plus in the end, its not the kind of show to have bad endings, so having Luna reformed was always going to be the best outcome.

[Sapphire Quill 1,186]

I'd say because of the different mindset, after all that's happened with her, I'd say she's gained some self control, stating that it probably won't happen once more.

And since it's back to what it was before the imprisonment I'd say, it'll work out, the show's objective is to make happy endings, I'd say nothing will happen.

[ZStrike37 107]

An interesting idea to be sure.  Will there be a second rising?  Probably not.  Here's my reasoning.  I think in the past Luna allowed herself to be overcome with her sorrow.  She began to teach herself that it was easier to hate others than to forgive.  The night was viewed as something to be feared by the ponies, when the monsters would come out and it was time to sleep in their locked-up homes.  She fell into despair and let that sorrow turn into bitterness and rage.  It consumed her and she felt it was everypony else's fault she felt that way. 

 

Now I think she sees another choice she didn't consider in the past.  Instead of hating the ponies and blaming them for how they see the night, she intends to try and interact with them and show them the calm, serene night as she sees it.  That is to say, instead of allowing ponies to be afraid of the dark, she's going to show them it's nothing to be afraid of.  And she's already on her way with what we saw in Nightmare Night.  Although a little haphazardly, she earnestly attempted to befriend them, albeit in her own way.  Even though she was skeptical of Twilight's plan, she went along with it, showing she would not give up the hope she can sway the ponies to accept her as they do Celestia. 

 

That's how I see the change and how she won't become the Nightmare again. 

[Winona the Dog 1,984]

The reason why Luna can't really go back into her NMM frenzy is because she was filled with bitterness and jealousy while her sister got praise and attention. All that buildup led up to NMM's birth.

 

Nowadays Luna is very accepted by her subjects and loved by many so she feels important, praised and loved therefore her bitter jealousy cannot resurface and bring NMM back.

[Fridge 382]

My personal thought is that Luna has matured and as you've mentioned the dream walking ability means she can stay in touch with the citizenry easily, perhaps more easily than Celestia in fact.

Also think about it this way, over 1000 years has passed the activities of the populous have changed quite a lot in that time. You have to think that there are probably a lot more midnight revellers and star gazers now, so therefore more people that appreciate the night. Plus she has her own holiday now, admittedly it's one whose roots are in the fear of her Nightmare Moon persona but as it was shown the citizens really love that particular celebration, which in a way honours Luna. Once again during Nightmare Night Luna has direct contact it's the general population rather than being aloof.

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,695]

So then, what is it keeping Luna good now? Aside from nightmare night, and a few special occasions, poneis still sleep through the night. So what has changed in Luna? Things are pretty much the way they were before, in the circumstances that caused her to be consumed by jealousy and hatred before.

Well, I think Celestia was oversimplifying quite a bit TBH. History is written by the winners.  :okiedokielokie:

But I think Luna has grown up a little and learned to deal with the way things are, and she has a celebration in her name which clearly didn't start until after her banishment. Plus she has some friends, or at least ponies who are willing to be friends with her like Twilight. I have a feeling she didn't get out much back then. So I think those are the things stopping her from turning into NM again.

 

But do I still want Nightmare Moon to come back? Yes. And do I entertain the theory that NM was actually Luna's true and mature form, and Celestia attacked her because she saw her as a threat? Of course. It's more fun that way. 

[Scootalove 10,689]

Luna just feels loved and accepted by her subjects, where she does not feel jealous or shows hatred for her sister anymore. But in Season 4 we will see how her jealousy and hatred, resurfaces to see her become Nightmare Moon again.

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

This is an intriguing question.

 

I feel we must consider more what turned Luna into Nightmare Moon. Nightmare Moon exhibited powers that we have not seen used since; the shape-shifting, for instance would have been useful for Celestia to at least escape from Chrysalis. As it was not used, I believe it is a fair assumption that Celestia cannot utilize that power. So where did Luna get it from? If it was just a Nightmare Moon thing, and Luna at present cannot do it, where did it come from? Did Luna's jealousy and resentment allow another, darker being to (at least partially) control her? This has been explored in fanfics,

 

If another being is involved in such a way, then presumably it was dealt with by the EoH. If no such being was involved, then the EoH must have at least allowed Luna to re-evaluate things, if not forced her to do so/change her viewpoint. The time banished to the moon may have helped, although it did not seem to effect Nightmare Moon.

 

I suppose my answer is that we do not have enough information on the initial transformation, perhaps this will be explored in S4.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

This is an intriguing question.

 

I feel we must consider more what turned Luna into Nightmare Moon. Nightmare Moon exhibited powers that we have not seen used since; the shape-shifting, for instance would have been useful for Celestia to at least escape from Chrysalis. As it was not used, I believe it is a fair assumption that Celestia cannot utilize that power. So where did Luna get it from? If it was just a Nightmare Moon thing, and Luna at present cannot do it, where did it come from? Did Luna's jealousy and resentment allow another, darker being to (at least partially) control her? This has been explored in fanfics,

 

If another being is involved in such a way, then presumably it was dealt with by the EoH. If no such being was involved, then the EoH must have at least allowed Luna to re-evaluate things, if not forced her to do so/change her viewpoint. The time banished to the moon may have helped, although it did not seem to effect Nightmare Moon.

 

I suppose my answer is that we do not have enough information on the initial transformation, perhaps this will be explored in S4.

Luna is still shown to be able to shapeshift. In luna eclipsed she 'transformed' into nightmare moon to scare the children for fun. Though we don't see enough of Luna to know what her powers are.