Flash Fire 386 February 13, 2014 Share February 13, 2014 I chalk this one up as a win for the LGBT community. http://www.policymic.com/articles/82241/facebook-just-created-50-new-gender-options-for-users-to-choose-from?utm_source=policymicTWTR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Feb 5 My oc - http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/flash-fire-r5698 "Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. Take me out, to the black. Tell my ma I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight 7,287 February 13, 2014 Share February 13, 2014 Well, I'm glad they did. It will definitely make more people feel comfortable in choosing their gender, at least. 1 matching setups with my bff pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootalove 10,689 February 13, 2014 Share February 13, 2014 That is good news then! At least more people will be able to choose their gender, thankfully. Credit: Moony © Forum FAQ Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Silver Essence~ 2,625 February 13, 2014 Share February 13, 2014 That's great to hear. While it may not seem like a big deal towards others, this will help establish the gender properties for everyone so no confusion or harm will be done in the future from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Fire 386 February 16, 2014 Author Share February 16, 2014 That's great to hear. While it may not seem like a big deal towards others, this will help establish the gender properties for everyone so no confusion or harm will be done in the future from now on. Too true. I personally know at least one person who is elated by this. 2 My oc - http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/flash-fire-r5698 "Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. Take me out, to the black. Tell my ma I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shine 166 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 I think it's great that they finally made it an option, but now there is an entirely different problem for some people: will you actually put your true gender identity on Facebook? Personally, I am open about it with my friends and acquaintances, but I'm not entirely sure I'd be comfortable coming out to my family about the fact that I have a neutral gender identity. So I guess I'll just keep my gender hidden on my facebook profile. There is one thing that bugs me about the change, though: the pronoun section. Their is not an appropriate pronoun for one person, even if you don't know that person's gender. It can be he, she, s/he, etc. (some people, like myself, may even feel comfortable being labelled an it), but words like them, they, and their are collective pronouns, which means it is only proper to use them when referring to a group of people or objects. Ugh... why must I be cursed with such a strong passion for proper grammar? >_____< You are a ghost, driving a meat-coated skeleton made out of stardust. What have you got to be afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Fire 386 February 16, 2014 Author Share February 16, 2014 I think it's great that they finally made it an option, but now there is an entirely different problem for some people: will you actually put your true gender identity on Facebook? Personally, I am open about it with my friends and acquaintances, but I'm not entirely sure I'd be comfortable coming out to my family about the fact that I have a neutral gender identity. So I guess I'll just keep my gender hidden on my facebook profile. There is one thing that bugs me about the change, though: the pronoun section. Their is not an appropriate pronoun for one person, even if you don't know that person's gender. It can be he, she, s/he, etc. (some people, like myself, may even feel comfortable being labelled an it), but words like them, they, and their are collective pronouns, which means it is only proper to use them when referring to a group of people or objects. Ugh... why must I be cursed with such a strong passion for proper grammar? >_____< That's a very good point. There really isn't a true set of gender neutral terms. I supposed they did the best they could though. My oc - http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/flash-fire-r5698 "Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. Take me out, to the black. Tell my ma I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shine 166 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 That's a very good point. There really isn't a true set of gender neutral terms. I supposed they did the best they could though. I think English needs gender-neutral pronouns. Other languages have them; why can't we? :/ I mean, technically a masculine pronoun can be used when gender is unspecified, since masculine terms in the English language encompass both male and female; but feminists get offended by that. 1 You are a ghost, driving a meat-coated skeleton made out of stardust. What have you got to be afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Fire 386 February 16, 2014 Author Share February 16, 2014 I think English needs gender-neutral pronouns. Other languages have them; why can't we? :/ I mean, technically a masculine pronoun can be used when gender is unspecified, since masculine terms in the English language encompass both male and female; but feminists get offended by that. I often use that argument when saying brony is, or can be, a gender neutral term. I wish the english language lent better to this as well. 1 My oc - http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/flash-fire-r5698 "Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. Take me out, to the black. Tell my ma I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envy 6,182 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 I think English needs gender-neutral pronouns. Other languages have them; why can't we? :/ I mean, technically a masculine pronoun can be used when gender is unspecified, since masculine terms in the English language encompass both male and female; but feminists get offended by that. 1. Well, some people outside of the gender binary try to create some some, like ze and hir. But I personally find those to be weird. I'll flat out say, if I'm not revealing my gender, I want to be referred to as "they", "them". I really don't care if it's not completely grammatical accurate. Those words are natural to us all, and they also are natural altogether... Not singling out anybody as different when you refer to them in such a way. 2. Is it really so confusing why? Why should masculine pronouns take precedence over female pronouns? And why not just have a gender-neutral pronoun (that doesn't have insulting connotations like "it") to begin with? Thankfully I don't see this much in the English language, but when I took Spanish and saw that when referring to groups of mixed-gender people you were always supposed to use male-gendered terms, it certainly did peeve me. I don't really know Spanish and am aware that nonbiological terms are referred to in gendered manners, but in that specific context it can't be shook off for me. Masculinity takes precedence over femininity? Masculine is "neutral"? Oh gee, I wonder why? History and even very much still the modern day tell us all why so darn clearly. Is it so hard to see why this can be a bit jarring? The connotations are all too clear... Or they should be. Terms that refer to groups of people with mixed-gender should be neutral. Not "masculine neutral" (which is not neutral at all and should never be accepted as such.), but neutral neutral. 1 Everything needs more woodwind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Luigi 2,065 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 Great change to a still not so great site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Dragon 264 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 This is great! When I finally get to join FB, I'll be able to express who I am! http://youtube.com/user/AuroraKnuxhttp://visigoth101.deviantart.comhttp://auroraknux.tumblr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Fire 386 February 16, 2014 Author Share February 16, 2014 This is great! When I finally get to join FB, I'll be able to express who I am! What do you mean, get to? Is there a reason you aren't already a member? My oc - http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/flash-fire-r5698 "Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand. I don't care. I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. Take me out, to the black. Tell my ma I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moved to Elsewhere 11,331 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 Well I'm glad they have more options for people like the transgender people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek0zoid 1,468 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 There are alot of transgenders on this Earth, and I'm glad Zuckerburg realized that and told his employees to make changes. Hopefully this'll put the (remaining) transgender FB users at ease. Signature made by: Rainbow Skywalker My little YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/GeekySteven (Game (Mostly) and Pony Reviews) (Yes, I'm actually active) My Johari Window thingymabob :http://kevan.org/johari?name=StevenEarthPony ASK ME A QUESTION OR TWO!:http://mlpforums.com/topic/85648-ask-steven-anything-you-want-he-loves-answering-your-questions/#entry2228380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsunin 41 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 (edited) 1. Well, some people outside of the gender binary try to create some some, like ze and hir. But I personally find those to be weird. I'll flat out say, if I'm not revealing my gender, I want to be referred to as "they", "them". I really don't care if it's not completely grammatical accurate. Those words are natural to us all, and they also are natural altogether... Not singling out anybody as different when you refer to them in such a way. Personally, I think English ought to have words like ze and hir. I don't know exactly how you get things to change, but I just don't think their is a good catch-all. There are many time when it just doesn't feel right, or it's just plain confusing using a plural pronoun to refer to one person when I could also be referring to multiple. Every word feels weird for a while, but once it's in your lexicon it will feel natural, pretty much always. Although speaking of other languages, those that have gender neutral pronouns often just plain don't use gendered pronouns at all. Chinese, at least, has three pronouns, I, you, they (singular). Ta can be used to refer to anything in the third person, though in written form there is a separate character for he, she, they, it (object), and it (animal). For all pronouns adding men turns them plural (e.g. wo men (I plural) is we). In my opinion this method of handling pronouns is just plain better than English. You might not expect it but it makes absolutely 0 difference to the amount of clarification necessary, while making awkward situations (with animals, or androgenous-looking or unmet people) almost nonexistent. There's also less processing time while you figure out which is the appropriate pronoun for a given thing. Edited February 16, 2014 by Kitsunin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Dragon 264 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 What do you mean, get to? Is there a reason you aren't already a member? Eh, relatives and stuffz. Hard to explain. http://youtube.com/user/AuroraKnuxhttp://visigoth101.deviantart.comhttp://auroraknux.tumblr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shine 166 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 1. Well, some people outside of the gender binary try to create some some, like ze and hir. But I personally find those to be weird. I'll flat out say, if I'm not revealing my gender, I want to be referred to as "they", "them". I really don't care if it's not completely grammatical accurate. Those words are natural to us all, and they also are natural altogether... Not singling out anybody as different when you refer to them in such a way. 2. Is it really so confusing why? Why should masculine pronouns take precedence over female pronouns? And why not just have a gender-neutral pronoun (that doesn't have insulting connotations like "it") to begin with? Thankfully I don't see this much in the English language, but when I took Spanish and saw that when referring to groups of mixed-gender people you were always supposed to use male-gendered terms, it certainly did peeve me. I don't really know Spanish and am aware that nonbiological terms are referred to in gendered manners, but in that specific context it can't be shook off for me. Masculinity takes precedence over femininity? Masculine is "neutral"? Oh gee, I wonder why? History and even very much still the modern day tell us all why so darn clearly. Is it so hard to see why this can be a bit jarring? The connotations are all too clear... Or they should be. Terms that refer to groups of people with mixed-gender should be neutral. Not "masculine neutral" (which is not neutral at all and should never be accepted as such.), but neutral neutral. Yes, exactly! That's why I believe that there should be neutral pronouns. The only reason I use the masculine-neutral "he" when referring to any unknown person in general is because being grammatically correct is part of my persona, and I care so passionately for the grammar that I refuse to make a mistake for the sake of convenience. Of course, then again... what if I just made up a neutral pronoun to replace the "he"? I could probably get away with it, too. I'm known for being a creator. I just need to think of a word that sounds natural and then go with it. cx You are a ghost, driving a meat-coated skeleton made out of stardust. What have you got to be afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notdog1996 315 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 It's nice, but it's not available in my language. Not that I would use it because i don't feel the need to specify that I'm trans on my profile (I'm a boy, simple as that), but it would be nice to have it in other languages soon. INTJ Introvert(56%) iNtuitive(12%) Thinking(75%) Judging(1%) You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%) You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%) You have distinctive preference of Thinking over Feeling (75%) You have marginal or no preference of Judging over Perceiving (1%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Pommel 669 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 I tried to write, "Fuck you" as a gender, but it wouldn't allow me. Anyways, this is a step forward, but not complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomk 20,663 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 Yeah I saw that. I tried to change mine to "alien." Apparently, your gender can't be alien. I'm pretty mad because I'm from a planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse and there is no male or female or trans or anything like that.We only have blaark and hærgenblaark. I refuse to let go until you're impressed. I refuse to let go until I'm depressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Pommel 669 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 (edited) It's kind of obvious why they give you select terms to choose with your gender, and there are quite a lot of terms to choose from. They did it so people wouldn't fill in anything stupid or even hateful, but it's still something they need to work on. Edited February 16, 2014 by Coco Pommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtlesForSale 128 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 That will cheer people up! I think this should be on every site these days. Go away Pikachu, you aren't an Eevee evolution :okiedokielokie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Floaty 1,334 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 Yeah I saw that. I tried to change mine to "alien." Apparently, your gender can't be alien. I'm pretty mad because I'm from a planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse and there is no male or female or trans or anything like that.We only have blaark and hærgenblaark. I suppose they don't give you the option of picking zhen, chan, shen, or thaan? I hope Mark Zuckerberg is pleased with himself and his anti-Andorian bigotry. 1 Signature created by Champion RD92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReverseFaller 2,483 February 16, 2014 Share February 16, 2014 I'm glad they added more options and all, but according to the internet there are about 58 different options. I didn't know there could be many options. Credit for the signature goes to Kyoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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