windy_prance 114 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 According to the flashback in the Season 4 finale, Tirek and his brother came to Equestria during the time of Star Swirl the Bearded and got imprisoned soon after. Tirek knew about Celestia and Luna before being imprisoned but when did he know about Cadence? Cadence became an alicorn while he was away. ...That's a BIG plothole considering the point of Twilight holding all the alicorn power was because Tirek didn't know about any other alicorns existing since his confinement. In fact, you can change the events of the finale just from this detail alone. You could have had Twilight hold Celestia's power and Cadence hold Luna's power. The two princesses work together to harness the extra magic. Following a 2-on-1 battle against Tirek, the two alicorns give up their magic to save their friends. Before saving Discord, Twilight and Cadence reflects on a continuity nod to "Three's a Crowd" thus allowing Discord to realize his mistake and give Twilight her key. Any thoughts? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindShear 543 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 I think the other reason that they all gave their power to Twilight is because she is the element of magic, and therefore she was probably best suited to handling all of that magic power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy_prance 114 May 12, 2014 Author Share May 12, 2014 I think the other reason that they all gave their power to Twilight is because she is the element of magic, and therefore she was probably best suited to handling all of that magic power. Four alicorn magics in one pony is STILL a lot of power. It would have been a lot safer to split the burden. ...still doesn't change the plothole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 (edited) In fact, you can change the events of the finale just from this detail alone. You could have had Twilight hold Celestia's power and Cadence hold Luna's power. The two princesses work together to harness the extra magic. Following a 2-on-1 battle against Tirek, the two alicorns give up their magic to save their friends. Before saving Discord, Twilight and Cadence reflects on a continuity nod to "Three's a Crowd" thus allowing Discord to realize his mistake and give Twilight her key. The other part I won't quote, because that actually is a plothole. However, I'll let you in on a little secret about Twilight. I think they might drop this on us in Season 5 (I think there's a line of dialogue that implies this in the finale), but I'll tell you now. It isn't much of a spoiler. I'm pretty sure some people have already figured this out by now. Twilight is the only pony in the world, who can withstand having all that magic power inside of her at once, and it is precisely because she is the Element of Magic. If they tried giving all that magic to any other pony (even Celestia or Luna), it would either kill them outright or go out of control and possibly be even more dangerous than Tirek. If you remember, she was barely able to control that power. So imagine what would happen to a pony that ISN'T the Element of Magic. Yeah, it isn't pretty. Edited May 12, 2014 by SBaby 4 A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumen 106 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 The Crystal Empire has been around for a while until it was cursed by Sombra a thousand years ago. It would make sense to assume that there's still a crystal princess alicorn around. I don't know exactly where the time of Starswirl falls into the timeline though. 3 [indent=6][img]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5259/sweetiesignature2.png[/img][/indent][indent=11][color=#800080][font='trebuchet ms']And Sombra is the best villain.[/font][/color][/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immblueversion 331 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 According to the flashback in the Season 4 finale, Tirek and his brother came to Equestria during the time of Star Swirl the Bearded and got imprisoned soon after. Tirek knew about Celestia and Luna before being imprisoned but when did he know about Cadence? Cadence became an alicorn while he was away. ...That's a BIG plothole considering the point of Twilight holding all the alicorn power was because Tirek didn't know about any other alicorns existing since his confinement. In fact, you can change the events of the finale just from this detail alone. You could have had Twilight hold Celestia's power and Cadence hold Luna's power. The two princesses work together to harness the extra magic. Following a 2-on-1 battle against Tirek, the two alicorns give up their magic to save their friends. Before saving Discord, Twilight and Cadence reflects on a continuity nod to "Three's a Crowd" thus allowing Discord to realize his mistake and give Twilight her key. Any thoughts? Allow me to answer your question with another question: When did Tirek indicate he knew there were more than two princesses before he and Cadance shared any screentime together? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrifCannon 102 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 The Crystal Empire has been around for a while until it was cursed by Sombra a thousand years ago. It would make sense to assume that there's still a crystal princess alicorn around. I don't know exactly where the time of Starswirl falls into the timeline though. From what I can tell, Tirek visited equestria shortly after Discord's initial defeat, seeing as he knew who Discord was and what he is capable of. Starswirl was still alive and the Crystal Empire likely hadn't vanished yet, but may have already been under Sombra's control. Its never really established how long Sombra was in power before Celestia and Luna banished him. Also, if the crystal empire vanished for exactly 1000 years, it would conflict with Luna's banishment which was implied by the prophecy to have lasted exactly 1000 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kel_Grym 1,917 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 There are several possibilities to this supposed plot-hole. 1.Twiilight was the only possible candidate to hold the powers. 2.Celestia fibbed, cause she wanted to make a god killer out of Twilight to kick Tirek's ass. Goes with number #1. Or. um... Damn. I dunno. Probably just the first point. Best explanation. I don't see no plot-holes here. *Activate Denial Sequence* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adorkable 2,737 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 The Crystal Empire has been around for a while until it was cursed by Sombra a thousand years ago. It would make sense to assume that there's still a crystal princess alicorn around. I agree with this. I can't exactly explain my thoughts on the matter, but I feel it has something to do with the Crystal Empire how Tirek knew about Cadence, or better yet, a third alicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasQ 1,379 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 (edited) If you remember, she was barely able to control that power. So imagine what would happen to a pony that ISN'T the Element of Magic. Yeah, it isn't pretty. Hah.. I've just imagined what could happen if they were wrong about Twilight, and when pumping all their Magic into her she would just get overloaded and *POOOF!* exploded on their very eyes Ooops... *^_^'* Edited May 12, 2014 by SasQ 1 My best posts list Recent post: Language Exchange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDiscord 289 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 From what I can tell, Tirek visited equestria shortly after Discord's initial defeat, seeing as he knew who Discord was and what he is capable of. Starswirl was still alive and the Crystal Empire likely hadn't vanished yet, but may have already been under Sombra's control. Its never really established how long Sombra was in power before Celestia and Luna banished him. Also, if the crystal empire vanished for exactly 1000 years, it would conflict with Luna's banishment which was implied by the prophecy to have lasted exactly 1000 years. Who's to say that Princess Luna became Nightmare Moon shortly after Sombra's defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrifCannon 102 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 Who's to say that Princess Luna became Nightmare Moon shortly after Sombra's defeat. Not saying she didn't, in fact, I wouldn't be suprised if she did, the point I was making was that the Crystal Empire was gone longer than 1000 years, otherwise, it would have returned before Luna did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,873 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 Celestia wasn't trying to hide the knowledge of the other Princesses. Took me a bit to figure that out. From Celestia's perspective she didn't know Discord was holding out on Tirek. Discord likely told Tirek of Cadence, just not Twilight. When Celstia realized Tirek didn't know when he screamed "Where is your Magic?", then she would have clammed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwisp the Bard 2,354 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 He has been wandering around Equestria since season 2, so he could have easily have heard about Cadence. 3 My Art Thread, updated (almost) daily Tomorrow will take us away, far from home No one will ever know our names But the bard songs will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coffee Pony 1,390 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 (edited) He has been wandering around Equestria since season 2, so he could have easily have heard about Cadence. Pretty much this as Season 2 was when Cerberus escaped. News of the Royal Wedding of Shining Armor and Princess Cadence, the Changling Siege of Canterlot and the Reappearance of the Crystal Empire would have been very hard to miss as those are three instances where the existence of Cadence would've made itself well known to him. If anything the plot hole is how he went this long without knowing about the existence of Twilight. The coronation would have been big news like the three events listed above and he should have easily caught wind of it. Edited May 12, 2014 by The Coffee Man 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immblueversion 331 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 (edited) Pretty much this as Season 2 was when Cerberus escaped. News of the Royal Wedding of Shining Armor and Princess Cadence, the Changling Siege of Canterlot and the Reappearance of the Crystal Empire would have been very hard to miss as those are three instances where the existence of Cadence would've made itself well known to him. If anything the plot hole is how he went this long without knowing about the existence of Twilight. The coronation would have been big news like the three events listed above and he should have easily caught wind of it. And yet, he didn't even know Discord was free, or that there was a fourth princess. And seriously, there is nothing saying that he knew anything about Princess Cadance before he burst in through those doors to steal her magic. He was probably all, "Oh, hey, a third alicorn. Imma steal her magic too," in his head during that scene. Simple answer: When he first broke out of Tartarus, he stayed far away from civilization until he was strong enough to start sucking up unicorn magic and pose a serious threat. Edited May 12, 2014 by immblueversion 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwisp the Bard 2,354 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 Simple answer: When he first broke out of Tartarus, he stayed far away from civilization until he was strong enough to start sucking up unicorn magic and pose a serious threat. Simpler answer: We are overthinking this . 1 My Art Thread, updated (almost) daily Tomorrow will take us away, far from home No one will ever know our names But the bard songs will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvadel 1,393 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 History is very very sketchy. Anything the diarchs want to hide from the populace or make legend happened "about a thousand years ago" which is an alicorn term for "really you have no reason to know when it happened or how it happened." Silvadel, the Pegasus of Insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasQ 1,379 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 And seriously, there is nothing saying that he knew anything about Princess Cadance before he burst in through those doors to steal her magic. He was probably all, "Oh, hey, a third alicorn. Imma steal her magic too," in his head during that scene. But then Cadence would be as good a carrier for hiding their Magic as Twilight, unless there's something more we don't know yet which differs them. It could be even wiser to split the Magic between these two (Cadence and Twilight), and let them spread out, so that if Tirek found one of them, there's still hope that he hasn't get the other one. 1 My best posts list Recent post: Language Exchange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastel 7,630 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 (edited) The Crystal Empire has been around for a while until it was cursed by Sombra a thousand years ago. It would make sense to assume that there's still a crystal princess alicorn around. That's what I think too. Tirek assumed there were 3 princesses in Equestria, one in The Crystal Empire. Plus some said he was free for a little while before acting, so... Edited May 12, 2014 by Blobulle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy_prance 114 May 12, 2014 Author Share May 12, 2014 Twilight is the only pony in the world, who can withstand having all that magic power inside of her at once, and it is precisely because she is the Element of Magic. If they tried giving all that magic to any other pony (even Celestia or Luna), it would either kill them outright or go out of control and possibly be even more dangerous than Tirek. Still doesn't explain why Cadence stayed behind with Celestia and Luna. In fact, you could have it where just Luna and Celestia gave their power to Twilight and Cadence went into hiding with her as a magic mentor. Once Tirek comes, you can have Cadence say "Even Celestia's and Luna's magic within you might not be enough...here take mine as well. I'll go distract him! RUN TWILIGHT!" If Celestia was hinging on this plan so much, it would have made sense to at least send a teacher with Twilight to help her learn to control the magic. Also we could had that "Three's a Crowd" continuity nod I mention as well if Tirek brings Cadence with him along with Twilight's friends/Discord. He has been wandering around Equestria since season 2, so he could have easily have heard about Cadence. Then he should have heard about Discord too as well as Twilight being a princess. This is still a plothole. GIANT PLOTHOLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReverseFaller 2,484 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 I was wondering this as well. He probably figured it out since he was out and around for a little while before he started stealing magic to become all powerful. Credit for the signature goes to Kyoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cedar 1,408 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 Tirek supposedly escaped during season 2, and Cadance has been a lot more high-profile a princess than Twilight has been, so he may have heard about her that way.I'm not even convinced Tirek knew of Celestia and Luna before escaping. StarSwirl the Bearded, as near as I can tell, existed before Celestia did, if Hearth's Warming Eve is to be believed. (not going by the comics on this one). Roleplaying OC: Red Cedar - Cast Character: Applejack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy_prance 114 May 12, 2014 Author Share May 12, 2014 I'm not even convinced Tirek knew of Celestia and Luna before escaping. StarSwirl the Bearded, as near as I can tell, existed before Celestia did, if Hearth's Warming Eve is to be believed. (not going by the comics on this one). Tirek's brother knew about Celestia and Luna so it make sense that he knew about those two alicorns. It's Cadence and Twilight that make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forlong 1,726 May 12, 2014 Share May 12, 2014 I can think of two possibilities. Cadence was alive when Tirek tried to take over and was somehow time displaced, like the Crystal Empire. He heard talk of her while he was hiding in the shadows. Check out my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5qXAcUzrizEHvorGalU5jg?feature=watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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