When will America die out?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

You then either get gunned down by the rest of your unit, or thrown in gitmo were you get paraded around naked and get pictures taken of you wallowing in your own feces.

Game over private.

 

You have to know I was being metaphorical. Of course I would not shoot my CO if I was in the military. I did train at Valley Forge, by the by.

 

My rank was sergeant.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Steel Accord

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

You have to know I was being metaphorical. Of course I would not shoot my CO if I was in the military. I did train at Valley Forge, by the by.

>training at a junior college

ya blew it.

And besides, freedom is better than friendship, freedom, burgers, and the 4th of july!

[Steel Accord 6,660]

>training at a junior college

ya blew it.

And besides, freedom is better than friendship, freedom, burgers, and the 4th of july!

 

How did I blow it?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

I consider friendship necessary for freedom. You can't be free if you lack the empathy to understand what freedom means to others.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

How did I blow it?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

I consider friendship necessary for freedom. You can't be free if you lack the empathy to understand what freedom means to others.

If you think freedom needs anything other than freedom, then you aren't a real american!

[Steel Accord 6,660]

If you think freedom needs anything other than freedom, then you aren't a real american!

 

If . . . you are being serious.

 

Than I would contest:

 

[toonbat 28]

Eh.  I don't see any signs of it dying out anytime soon.  Sure, it may grow weaker, as other world powers have, but they didn't die, and I doubt the US will for a long time.  That also makes it impossible to know if it will break into two or more smaller countries, merge with another country to make a new one between the both of them, or if the whole concept of countries as we understand them today will simply be dropped in favor of some other social structure that replaces the current international model.  It's just too far into the future to guess, in my opinion.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

If . . . you are being serious.

 

Than I would contest:

 

Just what I thought, another commie that hates freedom.

[NomDeSpite 452]

 

 

-Russia may collapse due to its inability to maintain its geopolitical interests. This is due to the West spreading their influence to many former USSR states as a way to isolate Russia. In addition, Russia's declining population will also be quite problematic.

 

Russia's population is not declining. It was declining rapidly from 1991 to 2008 but has since 2008 has grown larger every year. Fertility rates in Russia have also increased significantly since bottoming out in 1999. Death rates peaked in 2003 and have declined noticably since then. All of this info comes from statistics posted at the Demographics Of Russia page on Wikipedia.

 

"The West" is not spreading their influence to the Former Soviet Union, which views Western Culture as irreverent, emasculated and addicted to pleasure, comfort and convenience. Maybe in the 1990s Russia looked more favorably on the West but not now.

[Total Lunar Eclipse 516]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got nuked. With all our interfering with other countries, especially after Obama's provocative comment towards the Russians, telling them how they should discontinue what they're doing or there will be consequences. He needs to stop acting like we're some all mighty national parental figure going to put big bad bully Russia in its place, because that's not our role.

 

To say nothing of the corruption in US government and the entire decline of American mentality. We're farming ourselves. Americans are cattle and they don't even know it. 

Edited May 13, 2014 by Solar-Wind

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,998]

Russia's population is not declining. It was declining rapidly from 1991 to 2008 but has since 2008 has grown larger every year. Fertility rates in Russia have also increased significantly since bottoming out in 1999. Death rates peaked in 2003 and have declined noticably since then. All of this info comes from statistics posted at the Demographics Of Russia page on Wikipedia.

 

"The West" is not spreading their influence to the Former Soviet Union, which views Western Culture as irreverent, emasculated and addicted to pleasure, comfort and convenience. Maybe in the 1990s Russia looked more favorably on the West but not now.

I guess I should have mentioned that the book was published in 2009. When I said the West spreading influence, I meant that it seems like many former states under Soviet control would consider the US a closer ally than Russia.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got nuked. With all our interfering with other countries, especially after Obama's provocative comment towards the Russians, telling them how they should discontinue what they're doing or there will be consequences. He needs to stop acting like we're some all mighty national parental figure going to put big bad bully Russia in its place, because that's not our role.

Obama is just doing what he's always done, say what's popular at the moment.

 

He truly doesn't think we should be the parental figure, Hell he doesn't even want us to be a super power.

 

We won't get nuked though. The Russians may be many things, but they are not stupid, no that's Obama's defining trait.

[Anneal 2,197]

I've read a book about what could possible happen in The Next 100 Years and its central message is that the 21st century is very likely to be the American century; the author makes a point that the USA is the same as what Europe used to be as a power except that the US is united and is adjacent to two oceans. I'll try to remember the points said particularly about the US but I most likely forgot many important details.

 

-Currently the USA is the clear dominant power of North America; its neighbours don't pose any serious threat.

 

-American naval forces are so powerful that all of the world's oceans are essential controlled by the Americans. One notable fact to mention is that half of the world's active aircraft carriers are American and building a naval power is extremely expensive and takes a very long time. The fact that most other major powers would have to cross an ocean to get to the US would make it very difficult to invade them.

 

-China may collapse in the relative near future due to its flawed economic system that causes many Chinese businesses to fail due to the practice of investing more into people due to connections instead of their business practices. In addition there will be internal struggles between the rich coastal China and poor mainland China.

 

-Russia may collapse due to its inability to maintain its geopolitical interests. This is due to the West spreading their influence to many former USSR states as a way to isolate Russia. In addition, Russia's declining population will also be quite problematic.

 

-USA will emerge as the world's lone superpower.

 

-Population growth will be significantly slower particularly in developed nations, With the baby boomers in retirement, there won't be enough people to be put to work. Therefore many developed nations will encourage immigration. In the case of the US, they will encourage Mexicans to immigrate.

 

-Other major powers will emerge that, as a group, could challenge the US; mentioned in the book are Poland, Turkey and Japan which are all nations that used to be very powerful. However, the challengers will fail against the US; I don't remember the details as to why though.

 

-Nearing the end of the 21st century, the US will not be far ahead as the dominant power of North America; I forgot many details but I think basically Mexico's economy would have grown quite a bit throughout the century and would eventually be a challenger to the US. This would be the first time in a long time where the US would have a challenger within the same continent. Much of Southern US have  a dominant Mexican population. Many of them don't consider themselves to be in a separate country but more so in an extension of Mexico. With a much higher Mexican population in Southern US due to the American immigration policies that was followed throughout the century, the American government may have a much more difficult time maintaining control of these regions. The author doesn't mention how the crisis could end.

 

Just saying, everything seems to work ideally in the US's favor...

 

 

Not necessarily. The Mongols overran China militarily, but then became the Yuan Dynasty, and except for a few minor bureaucracy changes, nothing was altered. China didn't die, even though it was utterly annihilated by the Mongols in battle. 

 

Same with Spain. It was ruled by Muslims for over half a millennium, yet almost immediately regained its original Christian culture and essence after the Reconquista by Leon and Castille 

 

...Except for the fact that China was now run by Mongols and not Chinese ethnic groups, and Spain was run by Muslims and not Spainards. That's still technically change and death in a way. You can try to revert it back to it's "original" government, but you can't completely replicate it due to the constantly changing world.

[Khaoios 1,970]

I highly doubt it will happen in our lifetime, but its gotta happen sometime. Just look at the Roman Empire.

 

Damn you beat me to it, .

 

OT: Like Hovershy said, highly doubt it will fall in our lifetime, but as they say, "Once an Empire Rises, it will eventually Fall".   As an American, by the time my country reaches its point, we'll most likely be off this planet, settling somewhere else. 

[DATA EXPUNGED 324]

Americans are too greedy. The reason we dont produce as much here is because people in less developed nations are willing to work for less. So large companies close down the factories here so that they can get cheaper labour.

[Guest]

America will die when China decides it will.

[CosmicHooves 2,705]

Americans are too greedy.

Could you please give your reasons for classifying all Americans as greedy.

Edited May 13, 2014 by SC00TS

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[Ribbonfree 2,383]

I believe that the world has globalized to the point where it's no longer really pertinent to consider empires in the classic sense of the world. Too many first world and rising third world countries are dependent on one another to the point where any major war would economically and socially wound both sides before a single bullet was even fired. Politics is just that, politics, but at the end of the day I think what we've got now as world powers are here to stay. At most there might be consolidation, ala the EU.

[Kel_Grym 1,917]

Within the next 15 years we are probably going to see some major economic destabilization. Within the next 50 years it's possible we may see some serious reorganization. Like states breaking off from the union kind of reorganization.

 

I don't think that our country will just disappear, but it will have some dramatic changes.

 

Within the next 100 years, we may see some kind of second revolution.

 

But that's just guess work based on my nebulous understanding of all the crap that's been going on and the projections of others.

Edited May 13, 2014 by KelGrym

[SasQ 1,379]

What makes this worse, though, is that you ask such a horribly negative and dark question

I don't see it to be horribly negative and dark. Let me explain:

 

Te end of the United States is not necessarily the end of the Nations which take part in it. United States is a federation of in some way separate countries (states), which can go on on their own even if the political structure called United States ceases to exist. This process happened once in the history (recall Secession), and it is very probable that it will repeat (there are some states which already work towards secession, such as Texas).

 

I see nothing wrong in it. The State is not the People. It is a virtual entity. It came out of thin air, and it can disappear into thin air as well. And if the State doesn't support its citizens, people have full right to dissolve such State. It is even stated in the Declaration of Independence of the United States, if you forget about it I'll quote if for ya:

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights; that among these, are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

United States of America has been programmed to end someday from the very beginning by the Forefathers (make some calculations around the seals on the back side of one dollar bill and you'll even find the exact dates).

 

I lived when the Soviet Union has been dissolving on my very eyes. And all the countried which were once part of it, are now going well alone. Now there's European Union doing the same mistake again (history likes to repeat, as they say ), and I predict it will dissolve soon, too. So why United States should be facing any different fate?

Edited May 13, 2014 by SasQ

[Atteez 10]

Uh...

 

I think only time can determine. I personally don't think the US itself will just die out all of a sudden. There are a lot of people of different backgrounds that date back to the 18^th century, and they lived here for a long time. They would move out or within the country trying to look for more benefits to their life and well being, working much like blood pumping through the body. I don't think this will stop anytime soon, since a lot of people are always on the move.

 

If it was anything that would at least bring America to a grinding halt or just back up the normal way of life, it would be some stupid fault by the government for the economy, not really by the people. There's a huge amount of debt in the country as it is, $170 trillion, and more is just being blown right out the window.

 

Let's envision some hypothetical future event. The government could one day set the taxes to a rate that could be simply atrocious if they fail to create enough currency without generating inflation, which is impossible (In this scenario, let's just say 100% taxes on the upper, middle, and lower classes. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I don't see why this couldn't happen. Maybe a greedy overlord or diehard tryhard for the economy would take over as president one day). They try to lower the debt a bit. Some time after these standards are set, people could start being confused and angry as to why this is happening. In a moment like this, it's pay and have very limited commodities, or give up the building you run/live in and lose about everything.

 

The businesses wouldn't have anybody buying anything anymore, so the small businesses would start laying off workers for budget cuts, but no one would be buying anything anymore, so they decide to shut down. The bigger businesses controlling those smaller businesses would do anything they can to maintain the process of keeping production up with the small amount of workers they now have, but it's no use since, once again, no one is buying their stuff, and therefore no funding is going through, and it's useless to build things without funds. They shut down. Same goes for farms. They aren't funded for growing plants anymore, so why should they grow stuff for people who aren't going to buy anything?

 

So after everything has been foreclosed and discontinued, the government could try to reconsider the decision and lower the taxes once more and try to take it easy with all this money, although it's futile since many would lose their jobs. Even trading is useless. They couldn't think of anything but producing more currency with the risk of inflation. They are running out of ideas. Some time later, it is too late. America is suffering another Great Depression. 

 

The people have had enough of being forced out of their homes, waiting in bread lines and sleeping in shacks. With enough time, they start to take up arms, using anything they could find, and march right to DC to riot. Policemen that still have jobs try to control everything, but they fail. The people want their jobs back, money to buy their favorite things and consumer goods. The government finally succumbs to this and collapses because of the choice they made.

 

What happens from that point on depends on what the people or the remainder of the government do. I won't think about that too much.

 

And I spoke of politics.....sorry.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Atteez

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

Now you might be thinking "What a radical and absurd question."

I'm serious though.

Everything is going to come to an end.

That's just life.

 

When do you think America will die out?

How would it collapse as a country?

Could it happen in this life time?

Vagueness is magic...

What do you even mean by "dying out"?

If this is about how America would collapse, that should have been the title instead.

 

Assuming you're talking about collapse, it's already under way as the standard of living for the majority of the population decrease. Socially, America is becoming more and more unhealthy as rates of violence, obesity, imprisonment, infant mortality, illiteracy and life expectancy continue to worsen and it's only going to get worse and worse.

 

Unless we're talking about something truly catastrophic like a thermo-nuclear explosion, one does not go from a healthy individual to a pile of bones in an instant. Most people get sick and sicker before they finally die. Such is happening to 'Murrika right now. If it would mean the end of western imperialism then much of the 3rd world would breathe a HUGE sigh of relief.

[Dr. Vojislav Seselj 691]

Why? Because waging war against those who have been our friends is not freedom.

LOL. Two words. Serbia '99.

 

America's economy will asplode soon. Mark my words.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

LOL. Two words. Serbia '99.

 

America's economy will asplode soon. Mark my words.

 

It doesn't matter if it does, mark mine.

 

Hell maybe we could use a little balkanization!

[Total Lunar Eclipse 516]

America will die when China decides it will.

 

When outsiders no longer feed the pig, it may be the best thing that could happen to us. More local manufacturing, more jobs, better economy. The fact we buy everything from China is a problem. Same with farming. We need to become less sensitive and more aware of what we consume. Animals need to not be bred, raised, and slaughtered in large commercial farms and instead grown locally. No more laws preventing people from raising their own food, too. The humane societies need to get their noses out of agriculture and people need to stop voting for new legislation that makes agriculture more and more difficult. It's causing the very thing their trying to prevent (animal cruelty, because guess what, they're pushing all the farming business to intensive commercial farms) and destroying our country's food supply. 

There's currently a silent war against agriculture led by humane societies and pet organizations who's hidden agenda go unnoticed through their propaganda. They blatantly target perfectly humane local farmers and manage to pass new laws that prevent people from growing their own food, one of many little things that threatens to take away our freedoms and basic needs to survive. 

And in the case of agriculture, sadly, the problem is in the voters and detachment from where our food comes from.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Solar-Wind