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Equestria Girls is part of FIM's show lore. It is however kept seperate from the show's events as one thing the show, eqg, and comics are in their self contained part of FIM where it is all canon but neither of them have to make a direct reference to each other. This is done to ensure that anyone who disagrees with a comics or eqg story won't have to be concerned about it being referenced or shown in the show. The only rule they share is that the show's canon holds priority over all contradictions. Read the part where he says 'according to Hasbro'. This isn't some vague guess, ambigious answer, or an attempt to misdirect the viewer on what major event is going to happen on the show, this was something a major comic book artist was told by DHX's very bosses for the show's production and other assets. Thus it can be attributed to that DHX also recognizes the comics as canon but is under no obligation to pay heed of their stories on their show. I don't mind you saying that Lauren is no longer working on FIM. However, it's point was for me to show that the creator herself envisioned Nightmare Moon as a seperate entity from Luna. Because the show had made no attempts to discredit and the comics had in fact been granted to explain Nightmare Moon and remove the mystery of it in the Nightmare Rarity arc, her word is still a valid claim to use. Again, you're missing the explanation that the show and comics along with other media sources officially licensed by Hasbro operate in their own self contained parts to the same verse in FIM with the only rule being that any contradictions made against the show's lore will have the tv program's own take override it. As I've stated, I've spoken with my evidences for my case that clearly support my belief that the comics are canon and are a seperate part of FIM's lore that the show is spearheading the narration of the series.

Whether you want to continue to refuse accepting, the comics are canon to FIM and this has been vouched by word of god from Andy Price who clearly stated to be the case. Just because the show makes no mention of a comic's story doesn't mean it didn't happened in FIM's lore as Hasbro clearly put the comics as 'b canon' to the show's 'a canon.'

Do I have to use this of what the show pulled from the comics to validate my claim: The green pony with a heart and the blue pony with a bat and pencil cutie mark are Katie Cook and Andy Price's pony oc's respectively. The same two ponies appear here in Princess Spike. This is a definite wink to the MLP comics from DHX in their show. Other than that, I have shown plenty of evidences to showcase my point that the comics are part of FIM's lore and story, enough to justify my belief that my case is the correct one here.

No as I'm pretty sure that is the case, especially when you see the question asked: https://mlpforums.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-28184-0-49205200-1453968417_thumb.png Have you heard of the Star Wars EU was before george sold it to Disney and had it retconned? The EU was considered 'canon b'. Meaning so long as it doesn't contradict 'canon a', in this case being the star wars movies and a few select chosen stuff via George's approval like the force unleashed, it was canon and treated as part of what happened in the star wars verse. If the presented information does contradict, only the part that goes in conflict with canon a story will be retconned and the tale will be allowed to proceed only if it can sustain itself without that part. And if Canon b adds something to lore that canon a is ambigious on and does not definitly contradict it, than it is part of canon lore. That's what the comics and other source materials outside the show are, canon b stuff to the show's canon a. Thus until we see direct and without question proof that nightmare moon is not a seperate being to Luna, it is canon to the show and FIM.

In such cases, on fiction debate battles, the equivalency rule goes into effect. Meaning that if a character has a similar ability to his opponent's own ability but they operate within their own universe's rule, than their abilities will be allowed to operate within the battle ground as if it were in their own verse. An example is say a character from WH 40k, Kharn the betrayer, has the collar of khorne that allows him complete immunity to warp powers, wh 40k's equivalent to star wars force or magic in general. If he were to face say vader, than the collar of khorne will be allowed to treat the force as if it were the warp, meaning kharn will be completely immune to any direct force attacks from vader.

Sorry, but according to this tweet. Hasbro considers the comics canon unless the show directly contradicts it. Also from the Nightmare Moon Villain wiki article: and even from word of god from Lauren Faust to further support it: Thus all of them pretty much indicate several things: A. Nightmare Moon is a separate entity from Luna as Nightmare Forces. She at best may have been shaped by Luna's jealousy and bitterness, but it is clear she is her own persona and does not need Luna anymore. B. The comics are canon whether we like it or not. Only the show directly contradicting this can offset it. C. Even Lauren Faust herself confirms that Nightmare Moon is a separate entity from Luna.

Kind of hilarious in hindsight really. Celestia fans such as I were complaining how mistreated Celestia is in the show to which the program has given good portrayals to Luna while in the comics, many astute Luna fans are probably upset at how Celestia seems to be growing in power over Luna to the point even NMM couldn't beat Celestia with a dream attack, heavy help, and plan to weaken her.

Damn, never knew Celestia's mental defense is that strong. Really puts a clear seperate field and level of power between the two.

You must have all the brohoofs I can give.

The comics answer this in the Nightmare forces actually being a complete seperate entity from Luna. Latest in the timeline has Nightmare forces losing possession of Rarity and getting blasted by the elements of harmony for it.

To add with A.V, the journal of the two sisters pretty much stated Celestia knew more magic than Luna and was even near on par with starswirl. Also, the book noted Celestia loved to fly so it even implied Celestia is also the better flyer too. Finally, the comics pretty much state NMM is a seperate being from her and the power boost gives is pretty massive as a normal unicorn in Rarity being possessed by NMM was able to beat a depowered Luna up easily.

If this is Legends Vader, we're bringing in all the oped force powers and stuff that includes FTL pre cog and massive hypersonic movement speeds, telekinitic strength to bring down star destroyers, and loads of other crap that would make it unfair for Twilight at all. Without Legends, Twilight actually stands a decent chance if not wins due to being given prep time in the 2nd scenario. Facing against Legends Vader, even with prep, Twilight loses.

Is Force Unleashed still canon? I know the EU and stuff got retconned and from what I've heard, when the culling began, only the movies and the Clone War cgi series remained.

Aye which I consider a sort of mind control spell for her. Good point with Vader's range with his telekinetic attack. That's a major advantage for him with his attack range. I wonder her breaking Discord's hold on her friends in Return of Harmony can count as a feat of resistance against telekinesis.

So here are the list of powers I could think of for Twilight at the moment: Twilight Sparkle: Flight (both using wings or telekinisis) Magic energy laser blasts Telekinisis Dark Magic Teleportation (including Telefrag and can cast teleportation spell upon the opponent) Spatial manipulation (Floortilting) Mind Control (Want Me, Need it and Reforming Spell) Magic Barrier Age manipulation (If what Twilight says is true that only the highest leveled unicorn can pull it off, it's a possibility that she can do an Age Spell now that she's an Alicorn) Speed: Power scaling from Rainbow Dash being able to dodge multiple lightning strikes, a pony she has caught mid flight with her magic, her reaction speed should be at least a lightning timer. Her flight speed is likely around hypersonic at least. Destructive Capacity: Likely building+ as a Unicorn Twilight was able to lift a watertower full of cow's milk and a burst of her magic was able to lift her whole library tree home up from the ground. As an Alicorn, she should be above that. Lifting Strength: Building+ with telekinisis Striking Strength: about the same as Lifting strength. Durability: Building+ Intelligence: Highly booksmart intelligent. Has shown against Trixie with Alicorn Amulet that she is very pro efficient with prep time given to her. This is probably not correct or so, but these are the abilities and stats I believe Twilight should have from my recollection from the show. If there's anything to add or contradict my info, please correct me as such.

Twilight had the powers of all the Alicorn magic in her and she technically didn't beat him, she just stalemated him. It took her and her friends being bestowed by the Tree of Harmony with Rainbow Power to beat him.

One big thing to note here in this mu is that the force users and feats from the EU have been rendered non canon so the force just got a hell of a lot weaker than what they were before.