Keeping MLP innocent.

[11111111111111111111 146]

  Now this is something I have thought about a lot and it makes me really sad. The main reason MLP is so awesome, to me anyway, is that at its core it is sweet and innocent. It is a G rated show about friendship, rainbows and unicorns. It is the perfect escape from the real world because it IS so innocent. Yes now and then there may be reference to something not G rated (for example when spike falls into the punch bowl and somepony says "somepony spiked the punch") and of course there is violence (however cartoonish it may be) But compared to the real world it is a haven. 

 

  The number one reason Bronies say they enjoy the show is because it offers an escape from the real world. One of the main reasons we all like this show is because it is innocent. If it was just as violent, sexual, and crude as so many other "things" out there. Then this fandome would not exists as we know it. It would not be the revolutionary movement that it is today.

 

  So now I finally come to my point. I it makes me so sad to see pony related things out there that shatter that image of innocence. I understand that this stuff will always exist, ponies will do what they want and I have no intention of stopping them. I am not trying to kill anyponies creativity or hurt anyponies feelings But it ruins the image of innocence and destroys that perfect escape. 

 

  Now not all crosovers are bad. I understand ponies making fan art like Rainbow Dash with a sword or Two ponies kissing. But these are ok because, while you would not see this on the show, They are inherently innocent. Seeing a sword is not bad, yes a sword is made to kill, but as long as Rainbow dash is threatening somepony with it or as long as the sword is not covered in blood or something like that. its fine. And kissing is totally G rated, people kiss all the time. 

 

And I'm not saying we need everything in the world to be innocent. I am not some super psycho person that feels like we should "baby proof" the world. But when the reason I fall in love with something is because it is innocent, I just don't like things that ruin that image. I like to keep MLP innocent. 

 

Now There is no malice behind this post, I love all ponies and don't think the ponies who do this are bad. I am not saying it should not exist ethier. I am just saying i am not a huge fan. I do believe people should be able to do what ever they wan't with MLP and I don't dislike the people who make stuff like this, as long as they are good people. I just was wondering if anybody else felt the same way. Not trying to hate just trying to find people who feel the same way. 

Edited June 4, 2014 by Gladius
Removed inappropriate content

[ShadowPirateX 600]

Would you look at that! Another "I don't like mature fan content" rant!

Edited June 3, 2014 by ShadowPirateX

[Flash Fire 386]

I don't see the need honestly. For instance, I wouldn'tlet my kids read Fallout: Equestria, but I enjoyed it immensely. Some things out there are a bit hard-core, but you'll find the same stuff from all sorts of cartoons if you look. 

[11111111111111111111 146]

Would you look at that! Another "I don't like mature fan content" rant!

Have there been a lot of these lately? 

[Spinelspike 78]

I agree that it is the show's core innocence that allows it to be universally likeable and accessible, and also, like you said, G rated content from the fan community is inevitable. I agree that it is a shame that stuff like that exists, but we don't have to view it. Sometimes I understand that things such as the image you used as an example can sometimes worm their way onto our message boards when we don't really want it, and for that, I do think that we need to be stricter on where we allow images and creative works like that to be shown. They should exist certainly, because a lot of work and dedication can be shown to be put into them, and as odd as may be, there are a large number of people who like that sort of thing, and they are entitled to, but they need to find their own space to put it all together, and allow the rest of us to appreciate the show for the innocent haven it is.

That being said, I will admit that I have actually enjoyed the odd fan-fiction here and there, even when it contains some, well "hardcore" content at times, but honestly, I don't actually mind that so long as the writer makes it seem natural and still purely innocent at heart in that it is happening because it feels genuine and natural for the characters, not because it exists for the sake of it existing. Now here, I am really only specifying fics that take place in the future, where all the characters have grown up a bit, so naturally, a more adult and mature atmosphere is appropriate, and for that I think it's fine, so long as the heart of the show's innocence is still identifiable somewhere, and for the few fics I've read, I'd say it is still there. I don't mind it because I could imagine those scenarios taking place had the show ever received a slightly more adult sequel series (certainly never going to happen I know, but the consistency of innocence and character present still makes it tangible all the same)

But in terms of sexualising and objectifying aspects of the show in it's original context...well, yes, I think that is weird, and going a bit far in terms of degrading the amount of innocence that made the show so enjoyable in the first place. But I also accept the fact that there are those who enjoy it, and they should be allowed to make and appreciate it.

So yes, I agree, the show's innocence is one of it's greatest aspects, and I'd like it to be maintained in fanwork, with exceptions being placed in a specified and confined space for only those who enjoy it, or being more appropriate when created in believable 'what if' contexts that do differ from that of the shows, and can still contain that aspect of innocence somewhere within it's core. But other more adult content certainly shouldn't be completely objected it to, because a lot of it can be genuinely well made and enjoyable, and we are entitled to ignore it if we want to.

[Steve 290]

i agree, the greatest quality of mlp is its innocence

 

however, the title of this topic is "keeping mlp innocent" even though youve gone on to say that the fandom creates things that disrupts the innocents with things like ask molestia and that no one can stop things like this from being created.

 

were you just trying to get this off your chest? because i dont understand the point of this thread. many people complain about this stuff and theres nothing that can be done about it.

[The Crimson Cross 7,532]

I myself am not such a fan of this kind of stuff. One of reasons I like MLP, is because it's so colourful and upbeat! 

I believe that it's not for me, but if other people seem to enjoy it, that's fine by me!

I tend to just avoid that kind of thing at my own discretion.

[11111111111111111111 146]

i agree, the greatest quality of mlp is its innocence

 

however, the title of this topic is "keeping mlp innocent" even though youve gone on to say that the fandom creates things that disrupts the innocents with things like ask molestia and that no one can stop things like this from being created.

 

were you just trying to get this off your chest? because i dont understand the point of this thread. many people complain about this stuff and theres nothing that can be done about it.

I guess I just wanted to get it off my chest and see if anybody else felt the same way.   and I agree, people should be able to do what ever they want with MLP, I just don't like it. I guess I came off to harshly sorry. 

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

Limiting the creative output of the fandom in any way would be extremely harmful to the fandom as a whole - production of fan made stuff would slow down quite a bit, and people who like that sort of stuff as well as people who don't but think limiting the way the fandom works and setting boundaries on creativity is total bullshit would be up in arms about it as well, and really, I wouldn't blame them. People have a right to enjoy the fandom however they please. Limiting that sort of thing would create more drama than needed.

 

As for the "But what about the children?" argument I've seen brought up, if you allow your children to stumble across that sort of stuff while they're on the internet when they're unable to handle the sort of scenery being painted by the fan works in question, than that's on you for being an irresponsible parent and not supervising your young child's activities on the internet, because this kind of thing is all over the internet, not just in the brony fandom Unless they're 12 or 13 or so, they really shouldn't be on the internet unsupervised, unless they have proven they can handle that sort of thing, which is a small percentage of children.

 

So, yeahh - you can't pin this on the fandom

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

*tries not to rant about subjectivism on human cultural innocence*

 

But as for "adult" content, it is always going to exist. Always. Just as children are always going to try to get into the cookie jar when you tell them no. It is going to happen, the best you can do if you do not like it is mitigate it. Keeping it off forums that allow minors, and making sure that your kids do not go on adult content websites.

While the show may be innocent, it was made by humanity, and humanity is far from innocent. So anything made by humanity is inevitably going to be made to interact with the other aspects of its culture, society, and emotions.

[11111111111111111111 146]

Limiting the creative output of the fandom in any way would be extremely harmful to the fandom as a whole - production of fan made stuff would slow down quite a bit, and people who like that sort of stuff as well as people who don't but think limiting the way the fandom works and setting boundaries on creativity is total bullshit would be up in arms about it as well, and really, I wouldn't blame them. People have a right to enjoy the fandom however they please. Limiting that sort of thing would create more drama than needed.

 

As for the "But what about the children?" argument I've seen brought up, if you allow your children to stumble across that sort of stuff while they're on the internet when they're unable to handle the sort of scenery being painted by the fan works in question, than that's on you for being an irresponsible parent and not supervising your young child's activities on the internet, because this kind of thing is all over the internet, not just in the brony fandom Unless they're 12 or 13 or so, they really shouldn't be on the internet unsupervised, unless they have proven they can handle that sort of thing, which is a small percentage of children.

 

So, yeahh - you can't pin this on the fandom

Ya again I am not trying to hate on ponies creativity. I want everypony to be able to do what they want. There is no malice in this post if It came off that way I am sorry. I just was wondering if other people feel the same way.

[Steve 290]

I guess I just wanted to get it off my chest and see if anybody else felt the same way.   and I agree, people should be able to do what ever they want with MLP, I just don't like it. I guess I came off to harshly sorry. 

oh no you dont have to be sorry, if anything i should be sorry. i think i unintentionally tried to make you look stupid

 

but what bothers me is just when people complain about stuff like this. every fandom has this stuff. just as well, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Guest]

MLP's innocence is one of the main reasons I love this show. Consequently I too am not a fan of the mature fan art which accompanies it. I have no problem with people expressing their fandom and creativity in however they feel it best, but this sort of stuff is just not for me personally. I just try to avoid it and let it be. Different strokes and all....

Edited June 3, 2014 by Guest

[MarcelineA 126]

I agree... and this is why I hate when people keep comparing this show to my other favorite show (which I'm not gonna mention since people here LOVE to bash that show) They are VERY different shows and even though they're both cartoons one of them is purposely less innocent which it's why I keep saying they are DIFFERENT not only that but their humor is different too due to either innocence or lack of innocence (in the other show's case) and they have a different plot as well, just very different but I still love both shows I just don't mind if the other show is not as innocent because it never was that innocent in the first place so idc what people do with it but when it comes to this show it's a bit irritating since most of us want to keep it's innocence... ps. I also find very funny they criticize the other show's art when both shows actually have simple art ._. (another reason why I'm not a huge fan of anime, the art is a bit complicated sometimes except maybe Pokemon... and I like simple art just like MLP and the other show I like) Again they are VERY different shows but I get ya I really do I'm also pro to keeping this show's innocence XD it's fun to watch something that is ACTUALLY funny that is also innocent, it reminds us how fun our childhood used to be and teaches us that there's no age limit to fully enjoy a show like this one.

[Steve 290]

I agree... and this is why I hate when people keep comparing this show to my other favorite show (which I'm not gonna mention since people here LOVE to bash that show) They are VERY different shows and even though they're both cartoons one of them is purposely less innocent which it's why I keep saying they are DIFFERENT not only that but their humor is different too due to either innocence or lack of innocence (in the other show's case) and they have a different plot as well, just very different but I still love both shows I just don't mind if the other show is not as innocent because it never was that innocent in the first place so idc what people do with it but when it comes to this show it's a bit irritating since most of us want to keep it's innocence... ps. I also find very funny they criticize the other show's art when both shows actually have simple art ._. (another reason why I'm not a huge fan of anime, the art is a bit complicated sometimes except maybe Pokemon... and I like simple art just like MLP and the other show I like) Again they are VERY different shows but I get ya I really do I'm also pro to keeping this show's innocence XD it's fun to watch something that is ACTUALLY funny that is also innocent, it reminds us how fun our childhood used to be and teaches us that there's no age limit to fully enjoy a show like this one.

now i really wanna know what that other show is

 

pls tell

[Espurr 449]

Nothing nor any human being has ever stayed innocent forever. It will always get corrupted no matter what. There is also no going back. However much we try, once the darkness has taken over it's too late. You may slow it down, but the purity's gone.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,298]

I can separate the mature fan works from the show proper.  In fact, I've authored one lol.  And though I don't necessarily expect / want Pinkie Pie to tackle RD in a more-than-friendly way in the actual show, I'm free to imagine just about whatever I want happening between the two.  Neither my fantasies nor fan works in general have any direct influence on the "innocence" of MLP:FIM.  And SERIOUSLY PEOPLES: the internet is not a fitting playground for a young child.  I'd go so far as to say that internet access should somehow be disabled whilst a...  Wait a sec...  Why is a young child even permitted on your expensive, magic internet-using machine in the first place?  Don't they have toys?  Coloring books?  An...  Imagination???  Pop in an MLP DVD for them to watch; they don't have to seek it out online my GOSH.  I wouldn't let some sticky-fingered little kid touch my computer anyhow!  Lolz.

[Dark Qiviut 22,215]

As far as the show is concerned, one of its biggest qualities is definitely innocence, and that's one of season one's strengths. Beyond the strengths and flaws of the characters, there's a bearer of innocence in each of them. Atmospherically, some of FIM's most popular songs are so happy to a fault, it makes the audience happy. Winter Wrap Up, At the Gala, and The Smile Song are so joyous and uplifting.

 

But as far as "keeping FIM innocent" is concerned, @@ghostfacekiller39 is completely on point. Friendship Is Magic's fan creations don't have to be innocent whatsoever. There are many who love the show's innocence, yet also desire to deconstruct its innocence with saucy, pornographic, and/or gory work. Bronies love to create whatever they feel like, from innocent art and stories to stuff that wouldn't make it pass the censors here, and there's no way you can stop them.

 

Also, anyone who thinks fan content ruins FIM's innocence is deluding themselves. Fanwork doesn't ruin its innocence. Only Friendship Is Magic can ruin its innocence.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Dark Qiviut

[roguesoul 85]

To answer your question if I agree, than I'm kinda on the fence about it. Yes some stuff (coughMolestiacough) can stray pretty far from innocent. But the fact that something as pure as Equestria and be twisted as it has in works such as "Cupcakes" or "Rainbow Factory" is almost inspiring. I'm not arguing for it, but not all the darkness created in these works is bad, its almost beautiful as long as it still retains some of that innocence. 

[cuteycindyhoney 13,285]

As the author of a ten part story I can not link to here, I'm all for the fandom exploring the series in all sorts of ways.

[Zhortac 1,473]

Oh this again.

 

Can we stop trying to super hero the internet? Everyone has different tastes, and EVERYTHING is subject to them. That's how ALL fandoms work. If you don't like a part of it, just stay away from it. For example: I can't stand the hardcore fans of Gundam, who could tell you every spec of every suit in any part of the show..but I ignore them, mostly because of how douchey they can get.

 

If you can't accept a part of the fandom, then you're better off not interacting with ANY part.

[Archer Dash 163]

Pffft, we can't even keep Kirby innocent.  Don't ask the impossible, ye shall not receive.

[Virgil 685]

 

 

If you can't accept a part of the fandom, then you're better off not interacting with ANY part.

So if there is a part of fandom I have an objection to for whatever reason, I can't enjoy the rest then? A brony can simply be defined as, someone who likes MLP and up, after all. I've not once suggested treating anyone badly based on what they like out of respect ( If anyone here can find a post of mine indicating otherwise, I will apologize and retract said post and this one ) ; but it is a two way street, and both this sites rule ( No NSFW posting on this site ), and convention rules reflect this. Both for the sake of younger fans and older fans that have objections to such materials.

 

So to follow the logic of your statement means that to be a fan and enjoy talking with other fans, I have to embrace everything about a fandom regardless of any moral convictions I may have. 

[11111111111111111111 146]

Pffft, we can't even keep Kirby innocent.  Don't ask the impossible, ye shall not receive.

I am not asking to keep it innocent. I am saying I like it innocent. 

[Rainb0wdashie 60]

> So now I finally come to my point. I it makes me so sad to see pony related things out there that shatter that image of innocence.

 

Then don't look at them. 

 

/thread