Grogar for the Season 5 finale

[twilightsparkle3562 145]

I mean think about it.  We had Tirek, now its Grogar's turn.  I was watching Return of Tambeleon yesterday and he would make a good fit for FIM.

[EquestriaGuy 1,074]

That's pretty much exactly why it wouldn't be. They're aren't just going to keep reusing past bad guys. Also, if they simply kept borrowing past villains, instead of creating their own, the arcs could become limited due to predefinitions of who the villain was in a past gen.

[Pastel 7,630]

2 G1 villains in a row seems to much, I'd prefer a new villain.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Blobulle

[Arctofire 227]

Whilst agreeing with Blobulle, there are a couple of other reasons why I feel this wouldn't work.

 

For starters, I think that they missed the mark completely when revamping Tirek into G4, and I don't want a repeat of that. There's also the concern of the fact that King Sombra was made as a kind of modern version/homage to Grogar. These characters are so similar that I don't think they could exist in the same universe, and if they did, it would just be unoriginal. Why create 2 almost identical characters when you could have someone creative and new?

 

Grogar was also not the lightning spark that Tirek was in my opinion? He has an awesome concept, but King Sombra took most of that and made him a darker character as well as an awesome homage to Sauron from Lord of the Rings. Grogar was very comical and cartoony in reality and I don't think Bray would quite work in this day and age.

 

I think G1 just needs to be left alone now, because I personally was not happy with the amount of often unnecessary changes they made to Tirek.

Edited February 24, 2015 by Arctofire

[Drunkfrank 1,125]

2 G1 villains in a row seems to much, I'd prefer a new villain.

You are getting a new villain for the premiere.

 

 

OT: If we are doing past villains I would much rather it be a return from one of the gen 4 villains. Mostly Sombra as I feel like he was the greatest villain besides Tirek.

Edited February 23, 2015 by ryanmahaffe

[Jangocoolguy 433]

As much as I want Grogar to be the biggest bad the Mane 6 have EVER faced, they should save it for later.

 

Besides, what are the odds?

 

Having Tirek back was nothing short of a miracle in my eyes, so what are the chances of lightning striking twice???

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

I would rather see more original villains, then reusing villains that already appeared, or where part of an earlier gen.

 

Nothing against Tirek, he was cool and all, but i don't want this to become a thing.

[sweetolebob18 728]

There is a fan fic History Repeats by SaddlesoapOpera that has an older Megan (w PTSD) being called back to EQ to try to deal w Grogar & the new & improved Smooze.  It's excellent.  According to that, the Smooze was defeated by the Flutter Ponies & there ain't none no more.

 

I used to work nights & watch the G1 & G2 ponies on TV before going to bed, but it's been 20-25 years & ICR if that's right or not.

 

I'm too shiftless & inept to look it up, but Tambeleon seems to ring a bell.  Aren't they the ones that kidnapped Unicorns when they winked? (All the G1 unicorns could T port short distances)

[Ianpiersonjdavis 513]

I agree, since I think that's the only way they would be able to top Tirek as a villain in terms of how much of a threat he was.

[Sobana 100]

Grogar used the unicorn's magic against them to trap them and then used them to capture the rest. I think he was the only villian to successfully capture all the ponies at once. On an interesting side note he was the only one capable of escaping his prison after a short six hundred years.

 

I would like to see him but as mentioned he was pretty close to how Sombra was.

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

Do we really have to reuse old villains all the time? I mean Tirek was cool and all, but reusing old villains seems kind of lazy to me.

 

I would rather see new and interesting villains, where we can look back on and say "Dude, that was an awesome villain."

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

I'd like to see maybe one or two more villains from G1 used; though Grogar has been my #1 wish for quite some time. Original villains are fine, but there is nothing wrong with bringing a villain back from a previous era.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

I'd like to see a ponified Somnambula personally, but I too would rather see original villains than have G1 villains rehashed all the time. I think it's cool if they do it once on a rare occasion, but that's it. Of course that doesn't mean that the concept of certain villains can't be used as part of the inspiration for new villains, even if it ends up being mixed in with original traits. There's no need to have to think of reusing ideas from the past in such literal terms.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

Oh God Yes. Please, PLEASE let it happen...

[Buck Testa 5,505]

I think they pretty much hinted to this in the comics actually 

Why else have a GOAT eating the season 5 script. 

 

I for one welcome Grogar as the Season 5 mega Villain. Hopefully they don't just make him a Tirek 2.0 and Instead have him be Crafty and resourceful and something you can't just blow away with a rainbow. He's to cool for a typical ending 

 

Edited February 24, 2015 by Buck Testa

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

Grogar would be awesome. And so would The Smooze.

[Jammo 986]

While I like new villains in this universe I kind of feel they need to do more with the villains they have. I want another Chrysalis story before Grogar, unless Grogar can do something interesting that verifies his existence.

[ArcheoPony 76]

I'd personally want to see just about every G1 villain revamped to some capacity for G4. But I wasn't fond of how Tirek was handled, so I have little faith McCarthy would do any of them justice.

Edited February 27, 2015 by ArcheoPony

[Shanks 10,816]

For starters, I think that they missed the mark completely when revamping Tirek into G4, and I don't want a repeat of that. There's also the concern of the fact that King Sombra was made as a kind of modern version/homage to Grogar.

The same could just as easily be said about Nightmare Moon actually, Nightmare Moon was inspired by Tirek. Tirek wanted to bring about the "night that never ends" with his rainbow of darkness which sounds a lot like Nightmare Moons goal of "eternal night". They had to make enough changes to Tirek to where he wouldn't seem or be perceived as a Nightmare Moon clone and will likely have to make certain ones to Grogar for the same reason due to the similarity you pointed out to Grogar. I still think the revamp was successful though and think one with Grogar could work if they do it right.

[Arctofire 227]

The same could just as easily be said about Nightmare Moon actually, Nightmare Moon was inspired by Tirek. Tirek wanted to bring about the "night that never ends" with his rainbow of darkness which sounds a lot like Nightmare Moons goal of "eternal night". They had to make enough changes to Tirek to where he wouldn't seem or be perceived as a Nightmare Moon clone and will likely have to make certain ones to Grogar for the same reason due to the similarity you pointed out to Grogar. I still think the revamp was successful though and think one with Grogar could work if they do it right.

 

Well, that may be, but you've got to understand that Nightmare Moon only wanted to bring eternal night, there was nothing about turning ponies into dragons, and they changed that with Tirek for no reason. 

 

I think that Grogar's a bit of a stretch. Just revamping old G1 villains would get really boring after a while, and I would prefer someone new as the revamp before in my opinion failed. Also, the reason why they brought Tirek back was because it was 30th anniversary of MLP on television, so they thought they'd pay a homage. Grogar is not needed.

Edited February 27, 2015 by Arctofire