cider float 2,538 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 So by coincidence they are banning the Confederate Flag right before Independence Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Lightning 784 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 The US government is banning the confederate flag? When did this happen? You better believe I've got chill up my sleeve!My Hypno-Fluttershy Journal Click Here to chat with my friends and I on IRC! All nice ponies welcome! NEW! MLP FIM TableTop RPG game system! WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars 4,862 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 Hello @cider float! It'd be very helpful to host a discussion if you had sources on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 5,330 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 I think we should all hang gay flags out on Independence Day and get all gay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envy 6,169 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 And nothing of value was lost. 8 Everything needs more woodwind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma 768 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 Source please? Like a news source? Deductive Reasoning Inductive Reasoning Abductive Reasoning Logical Fallacies & Cognitive Biases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Wolf 291 July 2, 2015 Share July 2, 2015 Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcyHaze 594 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 I had this great idea... Wave the US flag around instead! 2 I hope some people get the joke ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Hadron 372 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 http://m.snopes.com/obama-bans-confederate-flag/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/daytona-wont-ban-confederate-flags-this-weekend/ Come on guys, do some fact checking and source digging before making bold claims. Took me 10 seconds flat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxsie (Inactive) 1,343 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 (edited) Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. They didn't have to ban the flag; if this story is true (which I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it is at this point). This is nothing more than censorship spurred on by nonsensical emotionalism and political correctness. The confederate flag didn't kill nine people. It's a flag -- a rectangular piece of cloth. It can not stir in someone's heart the thought to murder people. It's the evilness of people hearts that cause them to do such heinous things. As much as people don't like it, that flag is a part of our history as a country. Matter of fact, it was once the flag of the whole nation. And by banning it, people are trying to wipe away and change history; this is wrong. People should have the right to fly the confederate flag if they so choose. This ban (if it's true) would be a breach of people constitutional rights. Edited July 3, 2015 by RainbowJaxs16 5 My Johari Window Japanese Word of the Day Today's Kanji (by Tsukuyomi-MLP) Ask Me Anything Sig made by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Hadron 372 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 @, echoing my thoughts. Also, even though a lot of news websites say that the flag represents rascism, that is false. I kind of expected that the news websites would be siding against the confederate flag, given the current political trends. While I don't have the time or the motivation to write up an argument for my point, I believe that research material is at everyone's fingertips. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearbox10mm 794 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 They didn't have to ban the flag; if this story is true (which I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it is at this point). This is nothing more than censorship spurred on by nonsensical emotionalism and political correctness. The confederate flag didn't kill nine people. It's a flag -- a rectangular piece of cloth. It can not stir in someone's heart the thought to murder people. It's the evilness of people hearts that cause them to do such heinous things. As much as people don't like it, that flag is a part of our history as a country. Matter of fact, it was once the flag of the whole nation. And by banning it, people are trying to wipe away and change history; this is wrong. People should have the right to fly the confederate flag if they so choose. This ban (if it's true) would be a breach of people constitutional rights. I believe Ridley was being facetious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxsie (Inactive) 1,343 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 I believe Ridley was being facetious. If he was, it was a little hard tell. An emoticon would've been quite helpful. 2 My Johari Window Japanese Word of the Day Today's Kanji (by Tsukuyomi-MLP) Ask Me Anything Sig made by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 such BS. What do we gain by imposing this censorship on others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mand'alor Dash 2,224 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 And nothing of value was lost. What should they replace it with in history class? Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. Yep, came off its stand and fell right on 'em. When will we learn the dangers of making such heavy flags!? http://m.snopes.com/obama-bans-confederate-flag/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/daytona-wont-ban-confederate-flags-this-weekend/ Come on guys, do some fact checking and source digging before making bold claims. Took me 10 seconds flat. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand sanity. Long overdue, but better late than never. 2 Amoral cynic with a bitchin' vocabulary. Check out A Century of Song if you like music from before this millennium. Sig by ~Cider Barrel~ (design), Skaren (left vector), and ~Rhodarein (right vector). Avatar by ~Scootaloo (design) and Skaren (vector). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coffee Pony 1,390 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 What should they replace it with in history class? I'm not exactly an expert in American History (I'm a Canadian) but wasn't that just a battle flag for certain states. I was under the impression that these three were the official flags of the CSA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mand'alor Dash 2,224 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 (edited) I'm not exactly an expert in American History (I'm a Canadian) but wasn't that just a battle flag for certain states. I was under the impression that these three were the official flags of the CSA. Wasn't expecting a serious answer to that question, and I stand by my point that the flag has historical significance, but... Yes, actually. Touche. EDIT: Actually, even the battle flag was slightly different. It was a square version, as opposed to the rectangular one that the Duke boys put on their car. Edited July 3, 2015 by Mand'alor Dash 1 Amoral cynic with a bitchin' vocabulary. Check out A Century of Song if you like music from before this millennium. Sig by ~Cider Barrel~ (design), Skaren (left vector), and ~Rhodarein (right vector). Avatar by ~Scootaloo (design) and Skaren (vector). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotoriousSMALL 1,984 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. A flag killed nine people!?!??! Lel, phrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyNamedEarl 1,332 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 Nobody seemed to care for 150 or so years until now in today's PC era. Creator of MLP Ruined Vines and Recorder Sh*t Equestria's Biggest Hip-Hop Nerd Everyday is Leg Day! Follow me on Twitter: @EarlBrony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailsIsNotAlone 3,695 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. Completely, absolutely, dead wrong. A person killed nine other people in that church. He did it because he was a hateful bigot who chose to destroy others' lives rather than make something of his own. The Confederate flag, like any other flag, like any other symbol, is subjective. It represents different ideas to different people. Far more wrongs have been committed, and more innocent blood shed, under the flag of a united America than that of a rebel faction that existed for four years. And yet, no one is saying we should ban the current American flag because of the South Carolina shooting and the hate it represents. Why? Simple. Because the Confederate flag is an easy target. Some people simply pin all the disgraces and abuses of slavery and its legacy on that one symbol because it's easier to comprehend...and easier to destroy. They can't simply get rid of the ingrained potential for primal hatred in the still-evolving human mind, so they conjure up a scapegoat. I can see politicians and social justice warriors everywhere trampling each other to jump on that bandwagon: "let's just ban the Confederate flag!" Politicians love it because it can be done within an electoral term (as long as they can sidestep that pesky First Amendment), and people who still believe everything they were told in community college love it because they don't know any better. But we all should know better. It's no solution at all. It's a band-aid. The flag isn't the real problem and it never was. Americans will never learn from our tragedies if we don't face them. And to do that, we must stop falling for politically correct charades and grapple with what's beneath the surface instead. 6 "Human beings fascinate me Being just the way they are..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coffee Pony 1,390 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 (edited) Well, they kinda have to ban it. It killed nine people in that church. Yeah...THE FLAG killed people. No it wasn't some extremist that killed them, it was a flag that gained super-intelligence and killed its victims by wrapping itself around nine-people. Wasn't expecting a serious answer to that question, and I stand by my point that the flag has historical significance, but... Yes, actually. Touche. EDIT: Actually, even the battle flag was slightly different. It was a square version, as opposed to the rectangular one that the Duke boys put on their car. I will also say that it is a shame that they are banning the flag and even censoring a TV show because the left is way too oversensitive. (Before anyone calls me a nutty conservative, I don't like the right either.) To the censorship side, yes, nine people died, it was a tragedy, it should never have happened and it's a time for mourning. However with that said, this is an over the top knee-jerk reaction. You can say "oh boo hoo, a TV show is being censored, well nine people died." all you like but let me tell you something. You're saying we're disrespectful towards the dead because we want to preserve a piece of history and preserve the right to own a piece of cloth. And you think you're not? You are taking advantage of their deaths to push your agenda to censor history and violate the first amendment to a degree where people can't even watch a TV show because "OH! it has a Confederate Flag on the top of a car! Too offensive, get rid of it!" When you take advantage of the dead, you yourself are being disrespectful towards the dead, and I do not tolerate that. If anyone is outraged by this censorship, I urge you to protest in this fashion. They want to censor the Confederate Flag as most people know it? Fine, just pick up the Stars and Bars instead. No one said anything about banning that flag. Edited July 3, 2015 by The Coffee Pony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Wolf 291 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 The concept of sarcasm is lost on some of you, isn't it? Of course the rebel flag didn't kill those people. The murders are just being used as an excuse for a vocal minority to attack what they erroneously view as a symbol of racism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coffee Pony 1,390 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 The concept of sarcasm is lost on some of you, isn't it? Of course the rebel flag didn't kill those people. The murders are just being used as an excuse for a vocal minority to attack what they erroneously view as a symbol of racism. To be fair, sarcasm does not translate well on text. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 I'm German. I suppose I could start sporting the swastika and claim that it's a symbol of historical significance to me. Completely ignoring the associations that most people make with it (and rightly so). It is a borrowed symbol, after all; it just happened to be adopted by one of the most disgusting people to ever walk the planet. Hmm... Reminds me of how the Confederate flag has been flown by these a-holes: Instead of complaining about political correctness, you could just, Idunno, get with the times. I don't even have to give a shit about the flag's history; its present ain't too pretty either. 3 "It uses the faculty of what you call imagination. But that does not mean making things up. It is a form of seeing." - from "The Amber Spyglass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envy 6,169 July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 What should they replace it with in history class? Perhaps I don't really even understand what 'banning' means in this topic? I'm not for banning it to such an extent that it can't even show up in a history textbook (I've never even heard of such a notion being proposed). I have no wish to mess with that... But the flag flying in the South (or anywhere) on government property I can not support. I think it's a pretty terrible symbol for many, many reasons... But I'm not necessarily for "banning" it. Hey, if someone starts flying that flag, it's an easy way me to know to stay waaaaayyyy far away from them. Everything needs more woodwind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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