Twilight's ungrateful attitude is a turn off?

[DeadAccount 4,604]

ok, fine. Let's have her sit around and wait for a problem to fall into her lap, moping all the while, and having her nose in all the books of her library, while life passes her by, and let's forget about her not learning from "Amending Fences", to go out on her own, without the map having to tell her, and solving a friendship problem, because she went out to grab the opportunity, herself. Further proof that Twi isn't learning from her actions.

This does not make sense. How could she not have learned from her actions? Didn't you see Twilight cry at the way she hurt Moondancer? She obviously learned something. And well, doesn't Twilight going out and making up for her mistakes without anyone telling her to (including the map) make her a better pony? She did this voluntarily and didn't just kick it behind her.

 

Just saying that she obviously cared enough to care. You don't see Twilight acting like she did in her past, blowing off her friends to go and study. And you're saying she didn't learn anything?

 

Another thing, if she were so ungrateful, how could she have shown in so many ways how much she appreciates her friends? Even go check the "Slice of Life" ending and that's one of those moments.

[-Octavia- 1,176]

Well yes. Amending Fences was a friendship problem she could solve because she knew it existed in the first place. Remember last time she tried finding a friendship problem to fix *cough* Lesson Zero *cough*? I'd say she has learned not to meddle in the affairs of others when they do not need fixing. If I screwed up that royally (pardon the pun), I wouldn't be in a rush to assume I know what problems need fixing and when they need to be fixed. Or how, for that matter: this isn't Divergent, where Twilight embodies all of the Elements of Harmony.

 

Now granted, this may have been a mistake on the part of the writers, but it seems they intended it to be a team effort, despite her being the only princess. Goes back to the moral of "you are all a part of me, and that is magical"...or something like that...I'm not great with the morals they try to convey sometimes. ^^;

Edited September 28, 2015 by Wubtavia

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I don't see how her wanting to be more active in fixing and spreading friendship makes her ungrateful

Sunbutt makes you a princess. You gripe an moan about wanting to do something, so Sunbutt sets you up with welcoming important diplomats, and building your public image. You contine to gripe and moan. You're given a castle and misions, and continue to gripe and moan.

That, my friend, is pure ungrateful attitude.

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

Sunbutt makes you a princess. You gripe an moan about wanting to do something, so Sunbutt sets you up with welcoming important diplomats, and building your public image. You contine to gripe and moan. You're given a castle and misions, and continue to gripe and moan.

That, my friend, is pure ungrateful attitude.

 

No that is a complete exaggeration. When Twilight became a Princess she didn't know what her job entailed and was wanted to know what her purpose was and she had to do. Yes, she was set up with welcoming diplomats but that was just it. She didn't get to attend to any of these meetings it was just "Smile and wave, good job, that's done, go home." and that was it. I don't blame her for wanting to do more, they basically had her doing nothing, there was no real purpose to her job back then.

Edited September 28, 2015 by The Coffee Pony

[Megas 27,942]

Sunbutt makes you a princess. You gripe an moan about wanting to do something, so Sunbutt sets you up with welcoming important diplomats, and building your public image. You contine to gripe and moan. You're given a castle and misions, and continue to gripe and moan.

That, my friend, is pure ungrateful attitude.

She doesn't like getting caught up in boring politics...so what? I still don't see how it makes her ungrateful. Sounds like your getting upset over the character wanting more excitement in her life, as well as getting needlessly upset over what are supposed to be goofy moments and funny quirks of a character

[MLPFanatic34 3,241]

I don't think Twilight's ungrateful at all, and being a princess isn't something she's used to or has a lot of experience and knowledge in, she's learning, but I do think she cherishes the friendships she has and tries to make up for the mistakes she's made.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,997]

This is where I am not sure about what this fandom wants anymore. First people fear that since she is a princess now, she is going to steal the limelight. Then she doesn't at all, then everyone says she is useless and doesn't do this and doesn't do that. What do people want anymore? That is what is a turn off to me, the fandom just not liking anything they do with her character now.

 

I am fine with this honestly. It is clear they are building up to something. I want Twilight to do more princess stuff, but as long as the show is still great, which it is, then I am okay with them giving her the backseat for now. I love Twilight as a princess, it is one of my favorite things in the show now, but I do understand that they need to have the time to let other characters advance too. 

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,163]

I honestly don't see how she is ungrateful; personally. Granted she could probably do with some perspective, but in the end she's just frustrated as I believe she still doesn't see her full purpose, and part of that is the issue with the Cutie Map itself. As a Princess she is expecting to a lot of work, but her it hasn't come to her expectations from season 4.

 

Granted I could be way off, but unlike the centuries old Royal Sisters and the settled Crystal Princess, Twilight still doesn't have much of a defined role outside of Friendship, and the Cutie Map has largely limited her interactions.

[BastementSparkle 20,334]

I don't really see it as ungrateful. She wants to go out there and do things. She wants to be a good princess, to help her kingdom and her subjects. Okay, sure. I'll agree that maybe she needs to take a bit more action into her own hooves, instead of waiting for Celestia or the map to tell her what to do. She's not used to this. She's probably still somewhat used to being a student, not a Princess. According to the show she hasn't even been a princess for a year yet, it probably is going to take some time for her to fully adjust.

 

 And being ungrateful for the castle? I don't think she was ungrateful for it. That thing just burst out of the ground right after her beloved home full of memories was literally blown up in front of her. It's reasonable she'd be a bit upset about it, not everyone wants a castle anyway. She got used to it once her friends added their touches to make it feel more like a home to her.

[Carl Poppa 464]

Meh I haven't noticed her seeming ungrateful.  Sure she should take some initiative to do something every so often, but I can understand why she'd be mostly staying in the castle waiting.  She's not perfect, and she's not used to this role she's given.  Besides, she's the princess of Friendship.  She kind of is supposed to be dealing with friendship related problems, and going out in search of those can lead to catastrophic results.

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

Well in my opinion, the reason why she keeps in the castle and not just venturing outside whenever she wants just because she's bored is because she has to. With a map that can distinguish when there is a friendship crisis she doesn't want to leave it unattended too long otherwise she would be there to act as the "Dispatcher" for her friends who are responsible to deal with the issue. She's the princess of friendship so she feels she has that primary responsibility to always make sure the map is attended and that her friends are sent to the proper location within a timely manner. So she puts her now royal duty before herself which requires dedication and discipline, granted she could be a little more loose with it since the cutie marks of those going flash and the map doesn't respond until the corresponding cutie marks are present.

 

As to her welcoming delegates, let's not forget she is an introvert. While introverts have a group of friends who we're comfortable with our group of friends but hate being the center of attention for ponies we don't know and that's what twilight was in that episode. Let alone she was never designated a greeter with Celestia she got roped into it because she hung out with Celestia wanting to talk to her but everypony would interrupt her so she mainly stayed hoping for that chance to talk to her teacher/idle.

[Lucario14 26]

I disagree. She's not disgraceful nor is her attitude a turn-off. I think this side of twilight is really cute. It shows that even though she's a princess, she can exhibit behaviour and have problems like that of every other pony, which makes her seem more likeable instead of people seeing her as distant or too regal.

 

Even Celestia said twice that the Canterlot parties were boring before she invited the mane 6 (S1e26) and when she invited discord (S5e7). If Celestia sometimes feels that way and is not ungrateful, I don't see why Twilight feeling this way should be seen as ungrateful. 

[mars 4,863]

I don't know about her being ungrateful, but I will admit that this last episode I was screaming: "THEN JUST GO TO MANEHATTEN IF YOU WANT TO GO SO BAD." which is exactly what I did when she complained about not being able to go to Griffonstone. Honestly, I understand that she's uncertain about her destiny, and I get shes trying to be a good leader.. But her continuous complaining about not being able to go do things is getting a bit annoying. I hope the writers are going somewhere with that, because otherwise it feels like just a way to include Twi in an episode she really shouldn't be in. :/

 

When she's meant to be in an episode, she's a dream- like in that otherwise really bad yak episode. But when all she's doing is moping around complaining about being bored and not being able to do this and that, it's tiresome.

[Holiday Agnaktor 1,436]

I perfectly understands why she isn't going on long journeys to Griffonstone, or Manehatten. 'Cuz what if her cutiemark lit up while she was there? That would be pretty bad. So she has to stay relatively close to her castle. (Like, not going abroad, or to the other side of the country unless she HAS to.)

 

One thing I can't understand, is that she's bored, and says that she's read all the books.

Read them again! I've read Harry Potter part one about 30 times now. :3 (Still doesn't bore me... :3 )

[Cleverclover 1,526]

And maybe Twilight wants to go out and do things but perhaps she is afraid of something bad happening while she's gone?

 

 

 

With a map that can distinguish when there is a friendship crisis she doesn't want to leave it unattended too long otherwise she would be there to act as the "Dispatcher" for her friends who are responsible to deal with the issue.

 

 

These are both terribly poor excuses. 

 

I'm sorry, but there's just no legitimate reasoning for Twilight to just mope around waiting for something to do instead of actually being proactive and finding ways to make a difference on her own, especially after the "I have no purpose as a princess" card has already been dealt and resolved. 

 

Like I mentioned, there are numerous things she could be doing with her princess status. Numerous things. Why was she even made a princess in the first place if she has no desire to be proactive at all? If she still really feels that her role is that useless, I guess there's no need for a "Princess of Friendship" is there? 

Edited September 30, 2015 by Cleverclover

[King Sejong 859]

   Try serving in the military, ungrateful attitudes were all we got, from servicemen to civilian alike, yet I didn't enlist to get attention from others, but to feel proud, and to make my family and friends proud of me, so that is how I see Twilight Sparkle. You don't have to get a herbal acknowledgement all the time, you do something for a close friend, or when they do something for you, you just have to have the self esteem to feel that your efforts were appreciated, we express emotions differently as we age and mature, plus there are times to express that gratitude, whether it is Twilight Sparkle or another pony.  

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I perfectly understands why she isn't going on long journeys to Griffonstone, or Manehatten. 'Cuz what if her cutiemark lit up while she was there? That would be pretty bad. So she has to stay relatively close to her castle. (Like, not going abroad, or to the other side of the country unless she HAS to.)

 

One thing I can't understand, is that she's bored, and says that she's read all the books.

Read them again! I've read Harry Potter part one about 30 times now. :3 (Still doesn't bore me... :3 )

because it's not like she's able to teleport long distances or anything, right? Must've been a fluke, when she did it in "Dragon Quest".....

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

These are both terribly poor excuses.

 

I'm sorry, but there's just no legitimate reasoning for Twilight to just mope around waiting for something to do instead of actually being proactive and finding ways to make a difference on her own, especially after the "I have no purpose as a princess" card has already been dealt and resolved.

 

Like I mentioned, there are numerous things she could be doing with her princess status. Numerous things. Why was she even made a princess in the first place if she has no desire to be proactive at all? If she still really feels that her role is that useless, I guess there's no need for a "Princess of Friendship" is there?

Honestly is sounds like you're far against "princess" twilight. But it could also be from the Inherent image she has seen of previous princesses such as Celestia and Luna, as well as Cadence. None of them really leave their castle from what we've seen before. So she has had a subconscious understanding that as a princess she should always remain in her castle or nearby so she is where everyone knows where she is. What if there is an emergency she is needed for but she's out at Sweet Apple Acres so no pony can find her until the issue has progressed too far.

 

As well as to the creator stand point they could of also set twilight as very bored and almost seeming like she doesn't like her new role, as a lesson to kids. Since some kids at a young age want to be a princess or someone that has power, so they portray Twilight in such a way so kids realize power isn't all its cracked up to be.

 

In my overall opinion Twilight hasn't come across as off putting because there are several factors to explain her behavior. Because there are no books on how to be a princess and with Celestia acknowledging Twilight's potential, Twilight possibly feels as well if she asks for help or advice on being a Princess that Celestia might have a diminished outlook on her. So there's another is fear of earning disapproval from her mentor, so being an OCD academic, is one of the last things she wants to do.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

These are both terribly poor excuses.

 

I'm sorry, but there's just no legitimate reasoning for Twilight to just mope around waiting for something to do instead of actually being proactive and finding ways to make a difference on her own, especially after the "I have no purpose as a princess" card has already been dealt and resolved.

 

Like I mentioned, there are numerous things she could be doing with her princess status. Numerous things. Why was she even made a princess in the first place if she has no desire to be proactive at all? If she still really feels that her role is that useless, I guess there's no need for a "Princess of Friendship" is there?

 

THANK YOU!

GAH! GAWD! I just can't...I'm at a loss for words. It pisses me off, and just makes me dislike her character so much more. The lines she sang in season 4- "I wanna have a purpose. Wanna do All THAT I CAN. I want to make a contribution. I want to be a part of the plan" and *Siiiiiiiiiiigh*, come season 5, she has her crown, her wings, her castle, and she's sitting on her ass whining about how BORED she is, and wahhh, she never gets to go anywhere she wants to go.

 

Omg.

 

But what did Sunbutt say in her lines of that song? "Your destiny's uncetain. And that's sometimes hard to take, but it will become much clearer with every new choice you make"

 

Word of the day: YOU

 

YOU make.

 

Not the choices the tree or the map makes. The choices Twilight herself makes. And she's not making any, by choosing to sit on her butt and wait for decisions to get made FOR her.

 

It's exasperating, given all the supposed progress she's supposed to have made, when the fact of the matter is, she's barely made any.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Holiday Agnaktor 1,436]

THANK YOU!

GAH! GAWD! I just can't...I'm at a loss for words. It pisses me off, and just makes me dislike her character so much more. The lines she sang in season 4- "I wanna have a purpose. Wanna do All THAT I CAN. I want to make a contribution. I want to be a part of the plan" and *Siiiiiiiiiiigh*, come season 5, she has her crown, her wings, her castle, and she's sitting on her ass whining about how BORED she is, and wahhh, she never gets to go anywhere she wants to go.

She wants to make a contribution, not go on a nice vacation. :/

She wants to help solve 'em problems, but she isn't sent to solve said problems, so she hasn't really got any options.

Not the choices the tree or the map makes. The choices Twilight herself makes. And she's not making any, by choosing to sit on her butt and wait for decisions to get made FOR her.

It isn't like she can decide that there is some friendship problem somewhere in the country, (or outside of it,) and choose to go solve said problem. That's because she isn't psychic.

 

Nope. No psychic Twily for us... :/

Would be cool though.

 

Honestly is sounds like you're far against "princess" twilight. But it could also be from the Inherent image she has seen of previous princesses such as Celestia and Luna, as well as Cadence. None of them really leave their castle from what we've seen before. So she has had a subconscious understanding that as a princess she should always remain in her castle or nearby so she is where everyone knows where she is. What if there is an emergency she is needed for but she's out at Sweet Apple Acres so no pony can find her until the issue has progressed too far.

 

As well as to the creator stand point they could of also set twilight as very bored and almost seeming like she doesn't like her new role, as a lesson to kids. Since some kids at a young age want to be a princess or someone that has power, so they portray Twilight in such a way so kids realize power isn't all its cracked up to be.

 

In my overall opinion Twilight hasn't come across as off putting because there are several factors to explain her behavior. Because there are no books on how to be a princess and with Celestia acknowledging Twilight's potential, Twilight possibly feels as well if she asks for help or advice on being a Princess that Celestia might have a diminished outlook on her. So there's another is fear of earning disapproval from her mentor, so being an OCD academic, is one of the last things she wants to do.

Yeah, and this.

 

*leans back and sips some tea*

'S some good arguments.

*sips some more*

Ouch, that's hot.

*blows tea for a bit*

Yeah, especially the first paragraph.

What if there is an emergency she is needed for but she's out at Sweet Apple Acres so no pony can find her until the issue has progressed too far.

Eeyup.

Good arguments.

*sips more tea*

Edited September 30, 2015 by Midnight Frost

[ManaMinori 4,146]

She wants to make a contribution, not go on a nice vacation. :/

She wants to help solve 'em problems, but she isn't sent to solve said problems, so she hasn't really got any options.

 

It isn't like she can decide that there is some friendship problem somewhere in the country, (or outside of it,) and choose to go solve said problem. That's because she isn't psychic.

 

Nope. No psychic Twily for us... :/

Would be cool though.

did she or did she not solve a problem, going out on her own, in "Amending Fences"? Was she told by the map to leave and go to Canterlot? No, she wasn't. Did she contribute and DO something positive, because she decided to, rather than the map deciding to? Yes she did.

 

Did the map give her permission to leave the table and get out of the castle, in "Castle Sweet Castle", so her friends could surprise her and make her castle feel more like a home? No, it did not. Did something positve come from Twi getting out of there, without being told to by the map? Yes, it did.

 

You don't have to be psychic to go looking, and being proactive to see who might be in need of a friend, or help with a problem. Just a stroll around Ponyville , and a "hi, how ya doing?" And seeing how that person responds, could show there's a problem weighing on them that Twi could try and help with

Edited September 30, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

I think it's funny how a year ago, everyone would complain Twilight has no character flaws. Now, we're complaining that she has a character flaw.

 

Oh, come on you guys.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

I think it's funny how a year ago, everyone would complain Twilight has no character flaws. Now, we're complaining that she has a character flaw.

 

Oh, come on you guys.

I've never complained about her lack of flaws. She's had flaws since day 1

https://mlpforums.com/topic/137782-do-twilights-short-sighted-magical-solutions-worry-anyone-else/

That being just one of them.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[DeadAccount 4,604]

I've never complained about her lack of flaws. She's had flaws since day 1https://mlpforums.com/topic/137782-do-twilights-short-sighted-magical-solutions-worry-anyone-else/

That being just one of them.

I am going to be leaving this thread as I have found that you have a thing against Twilight and this is not worth my time. Good day to you.

[Holiday Agnaktor 1,436]

I am going to be leaving this thread as I have found that you have a thing against Twilight and this is not worth my time. Good day to you.

Yeah, same here. :/

So have a nice day. :3