searching Bangcolt Arena! (Fighting/Sol) -OOC- (Never closed)

[J.R. 3,183]

@@J.R., 

 

Bronislav recommended that I throw my OC into the mix

 

https://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/luster-r9582

 

Well...this is certainly interesting. A Robot version of Twilight? And I see you've detailed her strengths and weaknesses, correct?

[Denim&Venöm 19,046]

Well...this is certainly interesting. A Robot version of Twilight? And I see you've detailed her strengths and weaknesses, correct?

Appearance wise yes. Personality wise, she's more Twily's rebellious teenage daughter. And yeah, those strengths & weaknesses are more or less listed, unless I remember anything else down the line. 

[J.R. 3,183]

Appearance wise yes. Personality wise, she's more Twily's rebellious teenage daughter. And yeah, those strengths & weaknesses are more or less listed, unless I remember anything else down the line. 

 

I see. So she's from a universe in which ponies and humans coexist?

[Denim&Venöm 19,046]

More like they're aware of each other across dimensions, at least their governments are. Here the events of EQG are semi-cannon, and altered from the original. The worlds of Equis Earth and Terran Earth have been in top secret contact for nearly 30 years before the events of the show. Luster was built shortly after and has functioned for the past 12. Still it will be another few decades before both worlds are made publicly aware of the other. 

[J.R. 3,183]

More like they're aware of each other across dimensions, at least their governments are. Here the events of EQG are semi-cannon, and altered from the original. The worlds of Equis Earth and Terran Earth have been in top secret contact for nearly 30 years before the events of the show. Luster was built shortly after and has functioned for the past 12. Still it will be another few decades before both worlds are made publicly aware of the other. 

 

I see....well she looks very interesting to me, and pretty balanced.

[Denim&Venöm 19,046]

 

 

I see....well she looks very interesting to me, and pretty balanced.

 

Glad she has your approval. 

[J.R. 3,183]

Glad she has your approval. 

 

Yup, she's in by my count. XD

[Dust and Memories 557]

I see....well she looks very interesting to me, and pretty balanced.

"Balanced" if you're fighting her in a tank, maybe. The only thing I can see destroying Luster would be a long distraction followed by enough airship-delivered explosives to dig a new foundation for the Canterlot Castle.

 

Her anti-personnel weapons are insurmountable, and effectively mean that if you get within a half-mile of her (depending on whether her 20mm cannons may be fired on semi-automatic as sniper rifles) you're dead. Not to mention that she cannot be harmed whatsoever by magic this side of the Elements of Harmony. (repeated blasts from the EoH, I note)

 

Furthermore, even if one closes within melee range, her armor appears to be impervious to most if not all varieties of melee weapon I can think of off the top of my head, and I read something about Luster being able to channel a million volts through her exoskeleton. This effectively means that the only thing a pony would harm by delivering blows with a sword or other metallic melee weapon would be themselves, by conductivity.

 

Overall, Luster is balanced in no way whatsoever, and I personally would not consider combatting her without considerable air support or some other source of immense tactical power, such as a tactical orbital strike weapon, a Diarchy-class aeronaval dreadnought with its marine complement, or a task force of lighter airships.

[J.R. 3,183]

"Balanced" if you're fighting her in a tank, maybe. The only thing I can see destroying Luster would be a long distraction followed by enough airship-delivered explosives to dig a new foundation for the Canterlot Castle.

 

Her anti-personnel weapons are insurmountable, and effectively mean that if you get within a half-mile of her (depending on whether her 20mm cannons may be fired on semi-automatic as sniper rifles) you're dead. Not to mention that she cannot be harmed whatsoever by magic this side of the Elements of Harmony. (repeated blasts from the EoH, I note)

 

Furthermore, even if one closes within melee range, her armor appears to be impervious to most if not all varieties of melee weapon I can think of off the top of my head, and I read something about Luster being able to channel a million volts through her exoskeleton. This effectively means that the only thing a pony would harm by delivering blows with a sword or other metallic melee weapon would be themselves, by conductivity.

 

Overall, Luster is balanced in no way whatsoever, and I personally would not consider combatting her without considerable air support or some other source of immense tactical power, such as a tactical orbital strike weapon, a Diarchy-class aeronaval dreadnought with its marine complement, or a task force of lighter airships.

 

I meant balanced as far as the weaknesses she has, bro. XD

She's not insanely OP is my point.

[Dust and Memories 557]

I meant balanced as far as the weaknesses she has, bro. XDShe's not insanely OP is my point.

I don't mean to start an argument, but allow me to quote the only section which deals with Luster's weaknesses.

"Unfortunately despite all her technological abilities, Luster herself is incapable of using magic. Strip away both her shadow crystal & slipnir armor, and she is vulnerable to basic spells. Even a massive enough blast of magic from say, the princesses, will overwhelm her if one of her key anti-magic defenses are compromised. Add to that the facts that she is quick to anger, gets overwhelmed by the thrill of battle and of besting her opponent to an obsessive degree, that she'll disregard her primary mission, just to finish any who oppose her. And her stubborn pride won't allow her to retreat, so she'll fight to the bitter end of a hopeless struggle, instead of retreating, learning from her encounter and striking at a more strategic time."

 

Translation:

"Despite being basically worth an entire army at this point in Bangcolt's timeline, Luster herself is incapable of using magic, which doesn't matter since she can still kill things from half a mile away and you can't do anything to her damage-wise. Get rid of everything which makes her OP, which is impossible since she is immune to magic and more or less all weaponry this side of anti-tank guns, and she won't be OP. If you're a unicorn. Otherwise, you're screwed either way. Furthermore, if you get in a fight with her, she won't stop until she's ground your puny bones into the dirt, scorched the dirt to ashes, and then riddled the ashes with bullets. Even if you manage to escape, she's going to find you and kill you anyway once she gets you alone and without whatever you used to get away last time."

[J.R. 3,183]

I don't mean to start an argument, but allow me to quote the only section which deals with Luster's weaknesses.

"Unfortunately despite all her technological abilities, Luster herself is incapable of using magic. Strip away both her shadow crystal & slipnir armor, and she is vulnerable to basic spells. Even a massive enough blast of magic from say, the princesses, will overwhelm her if one of her key anti-magic defenses are compromised. Add to that the facts that she is quick to anger, gets overwhelmed by the thrill of battle and of besting her opponent to an obsessive degree, that she'll disregard her primary mission, just to finish any who oppose her. And her stubborn pride won't allow her to retreat, so she'll fight to the bitter end of a hopeless struggle, instead of retreating, learning from her encounter and striking at a more strategic time."

 

Translation:

"Despite being basically worth an entire army at this point in Bangcolt's timeline, Luster herself is incapable of using magic, which doesn't matter since she can still kill things from half a mile away and you can't do anything to her damage-wise. Get rid of everything which makes her OP, which is impossible since she is immune to magic and more or less all weaponry this side of anti-tank guns, and she won't be OP. If you're a unicorn. Otherwise, you're screwed either way. Furthermore, if you get in a fight with her, she won't stop until she's ground your puny bones into the dirt, scorched the dirt to ashes, and then riddled the ashes with bullets. Even if you manage to escape, she's going to find you and kill you anyway once she gets you alone and without whatever you used to get away last time."

 

Then again--OP OCs are allowed as clearly stated in the rules, only against other OP OCs.

[Literally Snails 2,307]

Then again--OP OCs are allowed as clearly stated in the rules, only against other OP OCs.

And to be fair, Tricis is technically OP, its just that she's going to die in a few months at the most and doesn't fight. My problem with robo twilight is that it's a robo twilight .3.

[J.R. 3,183]

That would limit her options to pretty much Armored Lektra and the high tier bosses. I feel Denim might need to tone it down a bit or make a Base Mode that's relatively tame, and some kind of powered up form or one where a sort of limiter is removed. Also it's not stated, but Luster is unable to land mortal blows on ponies. Not that it matters here since we have perfected magical revival, but I just felt like it should be mentioned.

 

That is up to Denim if he wishes to keep her the same or make changes.

[Denim&Venöm 19,046]

@@J.R., 

 

If my observations are correct, ponies can still do damage to her. Her shadow crystal is immune to magic but not conventional attacks. Ordinary bullets will be able to chip and crack that. And ponies in general seem like a pretty powerful bunch.  Even unicorns can physically carry several ton boulders with ease (Return of harmony),  with that kind of strength, they could render Luster's shadow armor useless, shattering it like glass. Not to mention that the armor was created by dark magic and therefore can be tampered with by dark magic, either in removing or manipulating it, or even causing the crystals to grow while it's on her. 

 

Her other layer of defense, the Slipnir, isn't covering her whole body. Only vital sections. There are gaps due to how rare the material is, and how difficult it is to forge and manipulate. Titanium & carbon fiber are strong, but they don't do squat against magic. Hard enough blows to specific sections will damage her circuitry. 

[Literally Snails 2,307]

She's not Robo Twilight though. It's only looks wise. The personality and what she can do is entirely different.

then why take the likeness of a character? Why not... anything else?

[Fractured 2,684]

then why take the likeness of a character? Why not... anything else?

Going to have to ask you to refrain from biasing other OC's here. A lot of OC's here may have origins or things about them that some may consider strange or bizarre, from a show perspective or otherwise, but that's not what the entry process is meant to judge, and thus isn't a valid reason for dismissing them, or, here at least, calling them out. My own verdict will come shortly, as soon as I jump off of mobile.

[J.R. 3,183]

@@J.R., 

 

If my observations are correct, ponies can still do damage to her. Her shadow crystal is immune to magic but not conventional attacks. Ordinary bullets will be able to chip and crack that. And ponies in general seem like a pretty powerful bunch.  Even unicorns can physically carry several ton boulders with ease (Return of harmony),  with that kind of strength, they could render Luster's shadow armor useless, shattering it like glass. Not to mention that the armor was created by dark magic and therefore can be tampered with by dark magic, either in removing or manipulating it, or even causing the crystals to grow while it's on her. 

 

Her other layer of defense, the Slipnir, isn't covering her whole body. Only vital sections. There are gaps due to how rare the material is, and how difficult it is to forge and manipulate. Titanium & carbon fiber are strong, but they don't do squat against magic. Hard enough blows to specific sections will damage her circuitry. 

 

So she isn't as OP as one may think?

[Denim&Venöm 19,046]

 

 

So she isn't as OP as one may think?

 

 

Nope. It would be an uphill battle, but they could still win. Also note that while Slipnir does negate magic, it's only magic that comes in contact with it. Parts of her unequipped with it are still vulnerable. If she didn't have any of that protection, an ordinary unicorn would carry her around like a child. Even some top level Pegasai like Dash or Spitfire could out quick her. Asw for her armor, It'll only take 63,000 psi to get through that titanium armor of hers. She maybe an anti-alicorn weapon, but she is still built on mostly human mechanics & resources.   

[J.R. 3,183]

 

 

Nope. It would be an uphill battle, but they could still win. Also note that while Slipnir does negate magic, it's only magic that comes in contact with it. Parts of her unequipped with it are still vulnerable. If she didn't have any of that protection, an ordinary unicorn would carry her around like a child. Even some top level Pegasai like Dash or Spitfire could out quick her. Asw for her armor, It'll only take 63,000 psi to get through that titanium armor of hers. She maybe an anti-alicorn weapon, but she is still built on mostly human mechanics & resources.   

 

 

I see. Does anyone take issue with this?

[Fractured 2,684]

Okay... in regards to Luster. Just going to take this from a purely technical basis:

 

Average unicorn: 9/10's loss. Given an equal distance ratio (say twenty feet), defensively, they wouldn't be able to cope with every form of munition being fired at them, of which i'm assuming multiple can be fired, though it doesn't matter, considering that said weapons are anti-magic in function, preventing any attempts to block or shield them. Offensively, the shadow crystal would prevent any spells that couldn't somehow surmount it; these would be AOE spells, which are few, and may not have the ability to penetrate to the vital parts anyways, and heaven and hell-class spells, which very few unicorns would be capable of, possess serious drawbacks, and require ample amounts of time and concentration. Something that wouldn't be afforded them, thanks to the all of the munitions being sent their way, and their construction. And this is if Luster decides not to close distance immediately at mach three, and disassemble them close range. 

 

Average pegasus: 9.5/10's loss. Perhaps a top tier pegasus such as Rainbow Dash would be able to do some damage with a vacuum cut (the only option should they not wish to get toasted on contact), but that's a moot point, since they would most likely find themselves shredded by the amunition being thrown their way. Even on the off-chance they didn't, however, they'd still have no options. Strafing runs would be the only effective technique, which would rapidly lose effectiveness due to auto-adapting, which would basically count down the runs until the user's patterns were predicted, and they were gunned down. And not to talk about close quarters; light speed processes, radar, and information on all martial arts forms essentially make HTH fighting suicide, even for the experienced. And that's excluding if, with nanosecond reactions, Luster doesn't just decide to forego the physical beating, and just channel one million volts into whatever's touching her, the instant it made contact.

 

Average Earth pony: 9.9/10 loss. And that's being nice, and assuming that her reaction speed is actually just equal to her flying speed (mach three), and not her processing speed, which would possibly allow one very surly pony to, after barely surviving the bullets, get a single shot in, and smash hard enough to disable Luster, before they were diced and seared into equal pieces by the stake/ plasma torch combination. But, of course, that leaves the same problem as the pegasi; even that wouldn't work, considering c processes, nanosecond reactions, and access to all martial arts skills (Which, I should mention, by the same token, would allow her to counter all martial arts moves, thanks to tactical auto-adapting. Flailing would be a more useful strategy, on the whole).

 

In short, this OC, for our purposes, is OP. I have no trouble with accepting her as is, since there's actually a well defined personality here, and everything else seems to be in order, but that's something that is, without very substantial argument, undeniable. Edits aren't necessary, but they may ensure, at the least, that some ponies would want to challenge her, though SOL is of course always open to anyone.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Fractured

[P-Jay 1,987]

and this is where 2.0 pokes his head in. XD

[That One Techpriest You Used To Know 2,286]

It'll only take 63,000 psi to get through that titanium armor of hers.

 

Allow me to laugh a little here. ONLY 63,000 psi? A croc's bite is 7,000 psi. According to Wikipedia for comparisons, a specially made water jet cutter designed for industrial use is 40,000 psi- 100,000 psi.

 

Anyways, with all the armament that Robot Twily has, there's no way anyone will be able to get close enough to start bashing away at her armor without being punched full of holes. I agree fully with Fractured and Snails on this, there's no way that this is acceptable with this much firepower in such a small frame. Plus, with the ability to lift 20,000 pounds, can fly at Mach 3... it's spelled 'ferrous' by the way, not farris...

 

 

In her head, she has data on all recorded martial arts styles, all historical information on battlefield tactics, all recorded info on melee weapon techniques and one on one confrontations from both worlds. A combined 6000 years worth of combat history is stored in her memory banks. And all that info and all activity around her can be processed & calculated at near light speed, adjustments made between nanoseconds, Luster learning & predicting various scenarios in her head battle.

 

Not to mention her sensor arrays, which allow her hearing to be highly sensitive. Various inferred, ultraviolet, thermal, x-ray, radar & sonar sensors to scan her surroundings. Her radar alone can cover a 3500 mile radius. It doesn't help that she can expertly hack into any other electronic or computerized systems and use their surveillance as well. A constantly upgrading program, Luster is able to learn, adapt and evolve.

So if she wasn't an angsty teenager, she'd basically be War General Alpha, complete with near light speed computational powers.

 I fail to see how this is balanced in any way. She also requires no updates, no downtime, and has a radar that covers a 3500 mile radius, complete with the full suite of detection devices. Infrared, by the way, not inferred (inferred means to have made a guess based on intuition.) I mean, literally the only way I see her maybe possibly losing is against my OC Agririon, and the only reason is because he's a spirit and can choose not to give off anything that would allow her to see him coming, thus allowing him to sneak up behind her and cleave her in two- that is, if she doesn't decide that, at being unable to locate him easily, to just completely go ballistic and level the entire arena with her cannons and then a huge spray of bullets, which he won't be able to avoid. Oh, yeah, and she's probably likely to do that because she's 'angsty'. Also, if, after the one blow she doesn't get instantly disabled, he then dies from massive electrical trauma after she lands but a single blow to his actual body- which should be pretty easy since she's a master of all 'recorded martial arts styles.'

 

Forgive me for being kinda forceful and strict here, but... nngh. I don't like obviously overpowered characters, and then people sticking up for said obviously overpowered characters mindlessly without any sort of good argument to follow that up on other than having yet another weakness that doesn't matter. Yeah, you can chip her armor up and get her eventually, or strike her very few weak points. She'll just be either ripping you and that steel wall your hiding behind for cover a new one and fly around at Mach 3 speeds evading literally everything that requires aim and that can hurt her. Yeah, she tends to disregard the mission to endlessly pile dakka on people to let none survive. In a 1v1 or 2v2 arena situation, your mission is endless dakka. Yeah, she's angsty. She's also a robot who, if she realizes her emotions are interfering, can literally shut off that part of her processor temporarily.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that our OCs are everything from everyone. Just because she's not overpowered in your universe that you play her in doesn't mean that she's not overpowered here.

 

You see our issue, right? Please tell me you see our issue.

 

@@bronislav84, @@J.R.,

 

I fail to see how you two would think that this is balanced positively in any way, shape or form. Not trying to shame you or anything, but just genuinely curious- how do you see she's balanced? Give me some conversation, please, I'm starved for entertainment.

[That One Techpriest You Used To Know 2,286]

 

 

We have all agreed in terms of fighting ability she's OP

 

Oh, forgive me. The last post I saw of yours was defending it, I'd figured based on the conversation with Snails you'd talk to me if I started naysaying.

 

[Kronos the Revenant 1,971]

Nah. It's something that only applies to those who haven't gotten in yet, and only on rare occasions. Once you're in, you have nothing to worry about. 

Oh, okay, So I just have to wait for Damien & Tem to finish tryouts and THEN we can rumble?

[J.R. 3,183]

 

Allow me to laugh a little here. ONLY 63,000 psi? A croc's bite is 7,000 psi. According to Wikipedia for comparisons, a specially made water jet cutter designed for industrial use is 40,000 psi- 100,000 psi.

 

Anyways, with all the armament that Robot Twily has, there's no way anyone will be able to get close enough to start bashing away at her armor without being punched full of holes. I agree fully with Fractured and Snails on this, there's no way that this is acceptable with this much firepower in such a small frame. Plus, with the ability to lift 20,000 pounds, can fly at Mach 3... it's spelled 'ferrous' by the way, not farris...

 

So if she wasn't an angsty teenager, she'd basically be War General Alpha, complete with near light speed computational powers.

I fail to see how this is balanced in any way. She also requires no updates, no downtime, and has a radar that covers a 3500 mile radius, complete with the full suite of detection devices. Infrared, by the way, not inferred (inferred means to have made a guess based on intuition.) I mean, literally the only way I see her maybe possibly losing is against my OC Agririon, and the only reason is because he's a spirit and can choose not to give off anything that would allow her to see him coming, thus allowing him to sneak up behind her and cleave her in two- that is, if she doesn't decide that, at being unable to locate him easily, to just completely go ballistic and level the entire arena with her cannons and then a huge spray of bullets, which he won't be able to avoid. Oh, yeah, and she's probably likely to do that because she's 'angsty'. Also, if, after the one blow she doesn't get instantly disabled, he then dies from massive electrical trauma after she lands but a single blow to his actual body- which should be pretty easy since she's a master of all 'recorded martial arts styles.'

 

Forgive me for being kinda forceful and strict here, but... nngh. I don't like obviously overpowered characters, and then people sticking up for said obviously overpowered characters mindlessly without any sort of good argument to follow that up on other than having yet another weakness that doesn't matter. Yeah, you can chip her armor up and get her eventually, or strike her very few weak points. She'll just be either ripping you and that steel wall your hiding behind for cover a new one and fly around at Mach 3 speeds evading literally everything that requires aim and that can hurt her. Yeah, she tends to disregard the mission to endlessly pile dakka on people to let none survive. In a 1v1 or 2v2 arena situation, your mission is endless dakka. Yeah, she's angsty. She's also a robot who, if she realizes her emotions are interfering, can literally shut off that part of her processor temporarily.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that our OCs are everything from everyone. Just because she's not overpowered in your universe that you play her in doesn't mean that she's not overpowered here.

 

You see our issue, right? Please tell me you see our issue.

 

@@bronislav84, @@J.R.,

 

I fail to see how you two would think that this is balanced positively in any way, shape or form. Not trying to shame you or anything, but just genuinely curious- how do you see she's balanced? Give me some conversation, please, I'm starved for entertainment.

I was just saying balanced as far as an OP OC goes, but I was clearly wrong apparently.