Did Chrysalis' plan actually succeed?

[Vulcan 3,254]

I just watched the taking x too seriously series by FOB equestria,

when I came upon an episode talking about the possible tactical mastery of Chrysalis,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y6CYHDKciY&list=PLZYrAVxR2TjomGa_q3TPTJTScQR9OvG4-&index=14

 

If you haven't watched it, it goes on to say that Chrysalis actually planned everything ,

from twilight noticing she wasn't the real cadence to twily's freakout ,

so twilight would kill the real cadence in the caves,

all to possibly render the elements of harmony useless.

however since this didn't work out cadence escaped and Chrysalis' plan failed

but what if it didn't? 

 

I noticed something at the ending of the movie ,

Cadence used her love to create a barrier that propelled all changelings away from canterlot,

and Canterlot was saved,

but what if that's what chrysalis wanted to happen all along?

since the changelings fed on love,

taking over canterlot would have instead produced fear,

maybe chrysalis wanted cadence to escape and use her magic to fuel shining armor's barrier 

so that the love infused spell would not only expel the changelings

but  also feed them.

afterall who better to consume love from, than the princess of love.

 

 

[Silver Stream. 708]

I only agree with half of this. I did enjoy Chrysalis, but I wouldn't put her in the category of being a "mastermind" 

 

I do think that she purposely led Twilight to find Cadence so that they can kill each other that way both are out of her way. But I doubt that was her plan from the very beginning. Chrysalis was caught.....and that wasn't part of her plan because of how genuinely irritated she seemed when Twilight called her out. She was basically nasty to everybody but they were too wrapped up in the wedding to even notice. Twilight noticed because she didn't really approve of the wedding in the first place. 

 

The fact that Shining Armor didn't notice how different the fake Cadence was from the real Cadence bothered me and makes me doubt their love even now.....if you're truly in love with someone, you should know them well enough they wouldn't act like that even if "wedding stress" is a factor. Cadence was obviously very sweet when she planned the wedding afterwards, and she's too genuinely nice for her to turn to a total b*tch from stress. She's a Princess, I'm pretty sure she can handle a wedding. 

 

Anyway, Chrysalis was caught but I do approve how fast she bounced back. And that's one good strength with her....how she's able to bounce back from a minor slip up on her part. 

 

The Cadence's love barrier can only go so far before disintegrating. I'm pretty sure no alicorn magic can withhold a barrier so far away. It was more like a wave as well....not a solid barrier created to last long enough for the changlings to absorb it. Besides, how is it their food source is also a repellent? It just wouldn't make sense to me. I think love is what strengthened her power to create a barrier but not exactly "a love barrier" meaning it was literally it's substance. 

 

And even if all of this still doesn't count out his theory, then lean on to how Chrysalis was executed throughout the episodes. Her every reaction and expression. She had a good plan, but it backfired, but she bounced back and had another, but that backfired too....she wasn't even prepared for how strong she'd be when going against Celestia. She was too flawed in my opinion for her to be a great mastermind behind every single thing that happened 

Edited October 23, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[colt .45 259]

 

The fact that Shining Armor didn't notice how different the fake Cadence was from the real Cadence bothered me and makes me doubt their love even now.....if you're truly in love with someone, you should know them well enough they wouldn't act like that even if "wedding stress" is a factor. Cadence was obviously very sweet when she planned the wedding afterwards, and she's too genuinely nice for her to turn to a total b*tch from stress.

 

 

Shining Armor is a Royal Guard. It seems he should have better observation skills than to not notice the change(long) in Cadence s behavior.

 

For the benefit of the doubt, let's assume he did notice. Maybe he's used to Cadence being a bitch.

My ex girlfriend was a raging bitch in private, but everyone thought she was so sweet. They only saw that side of her. When I broke up with her, everyone was like "why?", and I told them what a ~see you next tuesday ~ she was, they didn't believe me.

 

TL/DR bitches be crazy! ...even alicorn princess, and you never know until after you get with them.

 

 

P.S. maybe that's why Shining Cry's at weddings.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

If you haven't watched it, it goes on to say that Chrysalis actually planned everything ,

from twilight noticing she wasn't the real cadence to twily's freakout ,

so twilight would kill the real cadence in the caves,

all to possibly render the elements of harmony useless.

 

That makes no sense. Why not just kill both of them? Much easier lol. That plan is hella convoluted and certainly not the work of an evil mastermind.

[Vulcan 3,254]

That makes no sense. Why not just kill both of them? Much easier lol. That plan is hella convoluted and certainly not the work of an evil mastermind.

 

Killing twilight would have been difficult and may fail, by making twilight kill cadence by thinking that she was the fake one, it would leave twilight in a powerless state, her guilt and anger may even stop inhibit her ability to use the elements of harmony , allowing chrysalis to do as she pleases.

[J. Brony 313]

The fact that Shining Armor didn't notice how different the fake Cadence was from the real Cadence bothered me and makes me doubt their love even now.....if you're truly in love with someone, you should know them well enough they wouldn't act like that even if "wedding stress" is a factor. Cadence was obviously very sweet when she planned the wedding afterwards, and she's too genuinely nice for her to turn to a total b*tch from stress. She's a Princess, I'm pretty sure she can handle a wedding. 

 

I've always assumed that Shining Armor was partially under Chrysalis' mind control throughout the episode.  Wasn't that what she was doing when she cast that spell on him that was supposed to "heal" him?  I though that her mind control was beginning to wear off and she was just reinforcing it.  It never stated this but it's what made the most sense to me.  But it wasn't until Chrysalis' true form was reveal that she did the total brain-scramble on poor Shiny Butt.  Maybe her mind control has different levels of influence?

 

 

 

The Cadence's love barrier can only go so far before disintegrating. I'm pretty sure no alicorn magic can withhold a barrier so far away. It was more like a wave as well....not a solid barrier created to last long enough for the changlings to absorb it. Besides, how is it their food source is also a repellent? It just wouldn't make sense to me. I think love is what strengthened her power to create a barrier but not exactly "a love barrier" meaning it was literally it's substance.

 

I thought that it was Shining Armor's barrier that launched the Changelings out of Canterlot.  I could be wrong though.  Cadance did have one of her own in the Crystal Empire.  I wonder what the differences between them are.

[Silver Stream. 708]

I've always assumed that Shining Armor was partially under Chrysalis' mind control throughout the episode. Wasn't that what she was doing when she cast that spell on him that was supposed to "heal" him? I though that her mind control was beginning to wear off and she was just reinforcing it. It never stated this but it's what made the most sense to me. But it wasn't until Chrysalis' true form was reveal that she did the total brain-scramble on poor Shiny Butt. Maybe her mind control has different levels of influence?

 

 

I thought that it was Shining Armor's barrier that launched the Changelings out of Canterlot. I could be wrong though. Cadance did have one of her own in the Crystal Empire. I wonder what the differences between them are.

That's one theory. Though if that was the case, it would have been better to make that sort of thing clear. In one scene, he did seem to have the ability to think for himself despite her weakening him with her magic.

 

And from what I understand, the barrier was created by the both of them. More like their love charged one up to kick the changlings out

[Trottermare Galamane 12,005]

I always thought Chrysalis may be behind the return of the crystal empire as the Crystal heart would be a nigh unlimited source of power (as it's return seemed a mystery even to Celestia). All she needed to do is remain hidden until then and the attack may have been a backup plan. 

 

Just a thought

[Lucky Shot 232]

Cadence used her love to create a barrier that propelled all changelings away from canterlot,

and Canterlot was saved,

but what if that's what chrysalis wanted to happen all along?

since the changelings fed on love,

taking over canterlot would have instead produced fear,

... and that's where your theory messes up. The ponies under changeling enthrallment wouldn't have been giving them fear any more than Shining Armor was giving fear to Chrysalis.

 

All of them would have been held in a constant mesmer by a changeling disguised as a lover, a friend, a family member, or some other arrangement that would allow changelings to use them as batteries for emotions.

 

Also, Cadance's barrier didn't feed changelings who eat love any more than Twilight's spirit bomb fed Tirek who eats magic.

[Castle Bleck 19,327]

I only agree with half of this. I did enjoy Chrysalis, but I wouldn't put her in the category of being a "mastermind" 

 

I do think that she purposely led Twilight to find Cadence so that they can kill each other that way both are out of her way. But I doubt that was her plan from the very beginning. Chrysalis was caught.....and that wasn't part of her plan because of how genuinely irritated she seemed when Twilight called her out. She was basically nasty to everybody but they were too wrapped up in the wedding to even notice. Twilight noticed because she didn't really approve of the wedding in the first place. 

 

The fact that Shining Armor didn't notice how different the fake Cadence was from the real Cadence bothered me and makes me doubt their love even now.....if you're truly in love with someone, you should know them well enough they wouldn't act like that even if "wedding stress" is a factor. Cadence was obviously very sweet when she planned the wedding afterwards, and she's too genuinely nice for her to turn to a total b*tch from stress. She's a Princess, I'm pretty sure she can handle a wedding. 

 

Anyway, Chrysalis was caught but I do approve how fast she bounced back. And that's one good strength with her....how she's able to bounce back from a minor slip up on her part. 

 

The Cadence's love barrier can only go so far before disintegrating. I'm pretty sure no alicorn magic can withhold a barrier so far away. It was more like a wave as well....not a solid barrier created to last long enough for the changlings to absorb it. Besides, how is it their food source is also a repellent? It just wouldn't make sense to me. I think love is what strengthened her power to create a barrier but not exactly "a love barrier" meaning it was literally it's substance. 

 

And even if all of this still doesn't count out his theory, then lean on to how Chrysalis was executed throughout the episodes. Her every reaction and expression. She had a good plan, but it backfired, but she bounced back and had another, but that backfired too....she wasn't even prepared for how strong she'd be when going against Celestia. She was too flawed in my opinion for her to be a great mastermind behind every single thing that happened 

 

Sombra, on the other hand, was officially the first "mastermind" in FIM:

 

Celestia and Luna sealed him? He took the Empire with him to make their victory meaningless.

 

Shining and Cadance blocked him? He depowered Shining and waited for Cadance to exhaust herself.

 

Twilight and Spike looked for the Heart? He erased all records of it and hid it behind a bunch of traps that required very specific criteria to pass.

 

They still found it? His final trap used giant versions of the same crystals that depowered Shining to both physically and magically lock them in there.

 

He only lost because he was a slow Mighty Glacier that simply couldn't react to the wife-throwing thing in time.

Edited November 12, 2015 by A.V.

[MLPFanatic34 3,234]

While I do love Queen Chrysalis she wasn't the most successful mastermind when it came to her overall plan.

[Vulcan 3,254]

... and that's where your theory messes up. The ponies under changeling enthrallment wouldn't have been giving them fear any more than Shining Armor was giving fear to Chrysalis.

 

All of them would have been held in a constant mesmer by a changeling disguised as a lover, a friend, a family member, or some other arrangement that would allow changelings to use them as batteries for emotions.

 

Also, Cadance's barrier didn't feed changelings who eat love any more than Twilight's spirit bomb fed Tirek who eats magic.

 

>Perhaps the love produced through the Changlings' illusions

is a mere fraction of the amount and quality of love produced between ponies.

 

 

>Actually , I've always wondered why Tirek could not simply absorb the spirit bomb. 

perhaps he doesn't so much absorb magic so much as it's source.

On a side note: Depending on how you view the canonicity(not sure if that's a word)

of the comics , this theory has already been debunked in one of the recent issues.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Vulcan

[Lucky Shot 232]

>Perhaps the love produced through the Changlings' illusions

is a mere fraction of the amount and quality of love produced between ponies.

 

If that was true, then Chrysalis would not have been able to overpower Celestia and the Elements of Harmony by redirecting Shining's love for Cadance. The reason that it became more powerful with the real Cadance was because the real Cadance was reciprocating (later we see it's also because she is generally very talented with magic.)

 

>Actually , I've always wondered why Tirek could not simply absorb the spirit bomb. 

 

Katamari rules: Tirek can only (forcibly) absorb magic within a certain proportion of his own power.

 

Tirek was clearly unable to just go around absorbing anyone's magic at first. He escaped from Tartarus a few seasons ago, but only recently became "powerful enough" to absorb unicorn magic, let alone earth pony or pegasus magic. In addition, he was unable to forcibly take the magics carried by Twilight and had to extort her into voluntarily surrendering them. This indicates that Tirek can only forcibly absorb a given magic once he already has a sufficiently strong magic proportionate to it, similarly to Katamari Damacy or Agar.io.

 

The Rainbow of Light was thus simply too powerful for him to absorb.

Edited November 12, 2015 by Lucky Shot

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Her plan was doomed the moment she sent Twilight to the crystal caves. If she really wanted to succeed, she shouldn't have given Twilight an advantage of being near Cadence. A plan that would work.

 

-Chrysalis doesn't trap Twilight. Instead Twilight engages Chrysalis in a duel. Twilight is too weak at this point in the series, Chrysalis pounds her into submission. 

 

-Twilight is brainwashed and mind controlled. Chrysalis replaces her with a drone to avoid suspicion. Chrysalis orders her soldier to keep Twilight's friends occupied. 

 

The wedding is a success. No interruptions.

 

- Chrysalis returns to the crystal caves to mentally torture Cadence.

" Your husband and sister in law..... Are mine now.... You have failed!" 

 

-Cadence is devoured and drained by the Queen herself. Cadence possibly dies.

 

-Chrysalis thinks it's best to transport food slowly to the hive. Chrysalis will still impersonate Cadence and pretend to be a princess. Harness all the love they can in secret.

 

-The Mane 5 eventually find out Twilight is missing. The drone couldn't fool them entirely.

 

- Celestia and Luna find out as well.

 

-Chrysalis has all the power she needs to 100% take Canterlot. Celestia and Luna are defeated. The only non alicorns who stood a chance, were Rainbow Dash and Apple Jack. Instead of them being captured and taken to the hive, they escape and flee Canterlot.

 

-No elements of harmony.

 

-Discord is trapped.

 

*complete plan.

Edited November 12, 2015 by TheMarkz0ne

[cmarston1 5,959]

No I do not think so.

Outside of feeding the changelings I can't even really think of any goal or motivation Chrysalis even had.

She invaded Canterlot, but I don't really think she is an actual evil genius or anything.

Chrysalis is an entertaining villain, but I wouldn't say that she had the best thought out evil plan.

Edited November 12, 2015 by cmarston1

[Swifty 249]

Hasn't she already won after she captured Cadance? Cadance is basically a living love factory. She apparently can fill up others with love like that one couple. She is so easy to blackmail, why throw her in the dungeon? Even the opposite treatment would be more useful.

When Chrysalis ever returns she should be after Cadance again lol

Edited November 14, 2015 by Swifty