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[ShadOBabe 18,997]

What's funny is I just finished my Alicorn OC (mary sue) This...kinda scares me/

 

Now, now... just because a character is an alicorn, doesn't make them a Mary Sue.

If you've made a good, interesting, thought out character, then it's a good, interesting, thought out character, regardless of wings and horn status. XD

[Snake 516]

She's so cute, I just really wish her horn and wings weren't so big. It looks really dorky in my opinion..
It's probably be explained like, "All born alicorns are like this and grow into them, blah blah" spout from Celestia.
AAAAAAA

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

She's so cute, I just really wish her horn and wings weren't so big. It looks really dorky in my opinion..

It's probably be explained like, "All born alicorns are like this and grow into them, blah blah" spout from Celestia.

AAAAAAA

 

Or she's just a little oddball!! And that would be FANTASTIC!! 

[brian577 120]

I have no problem with Flurry Heart being an alicorn considering the parents, I have a problem with her being a princess.  If there is one thing the show has been consistent about is that being a princess is something that is earned, it's not given by birth.

Edited January 29, 2016 by brian577

[Snake 516]

Or she's just a little oddball!! And that would be FANTASTIC!! 

Man, she just looks so weird! I love her hair though, I kinda wish she wasn't pink though, it was so expected.

I honestly hope they have a reason for her giant wings and horn, and not just "she's just special so rare"

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Man, she just looks so weird! I love her hair though, I kinda wish she wasn't pink though, it was so expected.

I honestly hope they have a reason for her giant wings and horn, and not just "she's just special so rare"

 

Why "special" or "rare"? Maybe she's just WEIRD!! <3

I hope they don't address it at all. Like, "Yeah, our baby's got freaky huge wings. What about it?"

Some human babies have really big ears. XD

 

And to be fair, she's mostly white. She just has a pink outline like Celestia.

[BalanceBrony 259]

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You make largely valid points, but there is one thing you missed. It's not necessarily, "just" headcanon. One thing that is guaranteed is that an Alicorn must have a special role in Equestria. Whether or not they can be born is up for debate- although it is confirmed Tia and Luna were born, in one of the books. It is true that it's headcanon that Alicorns must be made, not born- excluding those two. But it is a headcanon that allll of the writers had until Hasbro threw this freak at the writers.

 

I understand why people are upset because statements from the writers, the canon, and implications within the canon, all argue against born Alicorns (excluding the exceptions). It was headcanon, but it was headcanon with a lott of support. I was upset too.

 

Now, all of that being said, I would ask that all of the people who are upset about this, take another look at the trailer. Everyone there looks concerned. So, it seems like that this is bad news. The look on Tia and Luna's face implies that this is not supposed to happen. And that gives me hope. That also confirms the writers don't think this is normal either.

 

But if they just throw in another important, powerful being, with no catch, I will be upset. So will many. Because it contradicts what everyone thought (including writers) until Hasbro spoke from on high. If there is no catch to this filly, a minimum amount of screentime is ideal. i don't want another Fairly OddBaby.

[Merion 783]

Twilight and Cadence both had to earn that right but this baby gets a free pass with it. It could work, but it seems to diminish the concept a bit. 

 

*cough*MARYSUE*cough*

 

Seriously, tho. I think it's gonna be the Harry Potter type of thing... Flurry Heart's the chosen one, destined to do great things, blah blah, that kind of stuff. And personally, I wouldn't mind seeing her struggle to fulfilli her destiny. Actually, I want to see her suffer trying to meet everyone's great expectations. >v<

I loved the whole ascension-to-alicorn concept, but this new thing might be interesting as well (as long as the writers don't buck it up).

 

 

 

I will say this: While the wings are...massive, I give kudos for not using the soulless baby eyes that we have seen before. These are a lot cuter.

 

I think they had to make them so massive to highlight the fact that they are supposed to be an anomaly. If she had tiny wings like the Cake foal, she'd have to roll to her belly in that introduction scene... And that's too much effort animation-wise (and a waste of screen time). There was an easier way to present her freakishness and they just went with it. 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,437]

*cough*MARYSUE*cough*

 

Seriously, tho. I think it's gonna be the Harry Potter type of thing... Flurry Heart's the chosen one, destined to do great things, blah blah, that kind of stuff. And personally, I wouldn't mind seeing her struggle to fulfilli her destiny. Actually, I want to see her suffer trying to meet everyone's great expectations. >v<

I loved the whole ascension-to-alicorn concept, but this new thing might be interesting as well (as long as the writers don't buck it up).

This is one of the reasons why I am staying optimistic despite my disdain to the overall concept of her being an Alicorn-born. There are many possibilities present, like aunty Twilight teaching her princessy friendship stuff and the cuteness of such a thing would be squee levels of amazing. So while I have my feelings of 'that doesn't make sense', I am trying to stay positive about it overall, by thinking of these cute scenarios. Plus, I am still happy that she is coming into the show either way I suppose. Often I worry too much over things, this time I shall be an optimist. XD 

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

ALL HAIL OUR NEW FREAKY MAGIC FEATHER BABY!! 

 

LOL!! At this rate our new little bundle here is going to bump up to my 2nd favorite Princess.

Princess Celestia and then Princess McFlurry here. 

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

I have to say; I'm loving the design of the baby here. Granted all judgement will wait for when it premieres, but as it stand, she's adorable. 

[Guest]

 

 

You make largely valid points, but there is one thing you missed. It's not necessarily, "just" headcanon. One thing that is guaranteed is that an Alicorn must have a special role in Equestria.

 

 

That much is truth, but the significance of that role is not set in stone.

 

 

 

Whether or not they can be born is up for debate- although it is confirmed Tia and Luna were born, in one of the books.

 

Agreed, though how canon the books are is left up to question.

 

 

 

It is true that it's headcanon that Alicorns must be made, not born- excluding those two. But it is a headcanon that allll of the writers had until Hasbro threw this freak at the writers.

 

Essentially what I am saying is head canon should be treated as temporary. When people get too set in their head canon they start to deny the legitimate canon and will look for any reason to do so even if that reasoning isn't sound.

 

 

 

I understand why people are upset because statements from the writers, the canon, and implications within the canon, all argue against born Alicorns (excluding the exceptions). It was headcanon, but it was headcanon with a lott of support. I was upset too.

 

But here's the problem: we have not been given an explanation for this Alicorn yet. So to say it breaks head canon or goes against what people understand is preemptive. For all we know there could be a new explanation that comes about that makes logical sense. We can't really assert if it's a bad or good decision or if it makes sense or doesn't just yet.

 

 

 

Now, all of that being said, I would ask that all of the people who are upset about this, take another look at the trailer. Everyone there looks concerned. So, it seems like that this is bad news. The look on Tia and Luna's face implies that this is not supposed to happen. And that gives me hope. That also confirms the writers don't think this is normal either.

 

See when you say "gives me hope" I get the impression that you are wanting your headcanon not to be damaged rather than you are hopeful that they will provide a reasonable explanation.

 

 

 

But if they just throw in another important, powerful being, with no catch, I will be upset. So will many. Because it contradicts what everyone thought (including writers) until Hasbro spoke from on high. If there is no catch to this filly, a minimum amount of screentime is ideal. i don't want another Fairly OddBaby.

 

But isn't it partially our own fault for assuming how things were and getting so stuck in our ways that we are so belligerent that we'll deny what the actual creators want? I mean it's their show, not ours, so whether or not we agree with their decision should only be based upon the quality of the decision and making sense not because we wanted something different which I feel a lot of people are doing sometimes. Instead of being upset because a decision is legitimately a bad decision, they are upset because their head canon now is broken.

[BalanceBrony 259]

*cough*MARYSUE*cough*

 

Seriously, tho. I think it's gonna be the Harry Potter type of thing... Flurry Heart's the chosen one, destined to do great things, blah blah, that kind of stuff. And personally, I wouldn't mind seeing her struggle to fulfilli her destiny. Actually, I want to see her suffer trying to meet everyone's great expectations. >v<

I loved the whole ascension-to-alicorn concept, but this new thing might be interesting as well (as long as the writers don't buck it up).

 

 

I think they had to make them so massive to highlight the fact that they are supposed to be an anomaly. If she had tiny wings like the Cake foal, she'd have to roll to her belly in that introduction scene... And that's too much effort animation-wise (and a waste of screen time). There was an easier way to present her freakishness and they just went with it. 

I am wholly against the idea of a concept that's been done a million times, with the hero being a character who shouldn't exist. Even in this very scene, they all look concerned. She is an anomaly. And Abomination. Should not be. Being a born Alicorn isn't a thing, otherwise Tia and Luna would rejoice! They wouldn't be somber and forlorn.

 

This is one of the reasons why I am staying optimistic despite my disdain to the overall concept of her being an Alicorn-born. There are many possibilities present, like aunty Twilight teaching her princessy friendship stuff and the cuteness of such a thing would be squee levels of amazing. So while I have my feelings of 'that doesn't make sense', I am trying to stay positive about it overall, by thinking of these cute scenarios. Plus, I am still happy that she is coming into the show either way I suppose. Often I worry too much over things, this time I shall be an optimist. XD

Possibilities that involve shoehorning another royal entity in something that is already a Quadrumvirate. And adding another pony with a special destiny that affects everyone. It's contrived. I REALLLY want them to go the route of "There should not be born Alicorns! And just look at her! She does not look right!" OR "This should not have happened... this means something terrible is going to happen."

 

But either way, the characters look like there is something amiss, and I am glad.

 

That much is truth, but the significance of that role is not set in stone.

 

 

 

 

Agreed, though how canon the books are is left up to question.

 

 

 

 

Essentially what I am saying is head canon should be treated as temporary. When people get too set in their head canon they start to deny the legitimate canon and will look for any reason to do so even if that reasoning isn't sound.

 

 

 

 

But here's the problem: we have not been given an explanation for this Alicorn yet. So to say it breaks head canon or goes against what people understand is preemptive. For all we know there could be a new explanation that comes about that makes logical sense. We can't really assert if it's a bad or good decision or if it makes sense or doesn't just yet.

 

 

 

 

See when you say "gives me hope" I get the impression that you are wanting your headcanon not to be damaged rather than you are hopeful that they will provide a reasonable explanation.

 

 

 

 

But isn't it partially our own fault for assuming how things were and getting so stuck in our ways that we are so belligerent that we'll deny what the actual creators want? I mean it's their show, not ours, so whether or not we agree with their decision should only be based upon the quality of the decision and making sense not because we wanted something different which I feel a lot of people are doing sometimes. Instead of being upset because a decision is legitimately a bad decision, they are upset because their head canon now is broken.

Except, the writers said this would not be the case. In this scenario, it's Hasbro dictating on high, and the writers trying to deal with it.

 

And yes it gives me hope, that the canon is not going to be destroyed. The writers are the canon. And they would not have done this without hasbro. As for other explanations, there are possibilities: She has a birth defect, she is only a pegacorn and not an Alicorn, etc. But there is no explanation for Alicornness besides great importance. And adding a new SUPER important character when there is plenty of potential already, is also robbing from other stories.

 

EDIT:

BTW, the writer of the books, GM Barrow, is now an official show writer.

Edited January 29, 2016 by BalanceBrony

[Gamer_KM 90]

Now, now... just because a character is an alicorn, doesn't make them a Mary Sue.

If you've made a good, interesting, thought out character, then it's a good, interesting, thought out character, regardless of wings and horn status. XD

No....I named her Mary Sue, and tried to make here one (it's a chalange I do for most fandoms I make ocs for) https://mlpforums.com/topic/146074-my-oc-mary-sue/

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

No....I named her Mary Sue, and tried to make here one (it's a chalange I do for most fandoms I make ocs for) https://mlpforums.com/topic/146074-my-oc-mary-sue/

 

HAHAHA!! I gotcha.

I actually considered that right after I posted that.

I have some friends who do things like that as well.

[Dark Qiviut 22,393]

I am wholly against the idea of a concept that's been done a million times, with the hero being a character who shouldn't exist. Even in this very scene, they all look concerned. She is an anomaly. And Abomination. Should not be. Being a born Alicorn isn't a thing, otherwise Tia and Luna would rejoice! They wouldn't be somber and forlorn.

Nobody that we saw thought of this, but you make a great point here. Everyone in the preview does look concerned. As if this shouldn't happen. Hopefully, the writers don't ignore it.

[Guest]

 

 

Except, the writers said this would not be the case. In this scenario, it's Hasbro dictating on high, and the writers trying to deal with it.

 

As it is with many things. I'm sure the writers will find a way to make it work.

 

Either way, if people don't like the decision I'd rather they just stop watching the show that they don't agree with the direction it's taken rather than complain about it when we all know Hasbro is never going to change their decision based upon people not liking it or their headcanon. That is what I never understood: people who to this day disagree and loathe Twilight Alicorn and insist the quality of the show has declined since her appearance and yet... They're still here. Still watching new episodes and still complaining about everything that they disapprove of.

 

I honestly hope if the explanation they give is a crappy one and people don't like it that they legitimately stop watching the show instead of making more and more blogs and posts about how they hate everything about the direction the show has taken and why they should go back (which they won't) and yet they still actively watch it.

 

I am hoping that after Alicorn Twilight that people learned Hasbro does not go back on decisions, so if you don't like the direction the show has taken, I am sincerely hoping you either learn to let it go, or stop watching. If this was any other show where the creators showed a history of going back on decisions based upon fan back lash then I'd say keep on trying, but it's clear that after Vinyl's eye color fiasco, Alicorn Twilight, Cadance showing there was more than 2 Alicorns in existence, and Equestria Girls that Hasbro does NOT go back on decisions based upon brony back lash. I mean hell I still see people talk about how much they loathe Equestria Girls, and have loathed them since the first film and yet they still watched the third film knowing they would loathe it as well and proceeded to post crappy reviews of it, and I am almost certain the same people will watch the fourth film, in full knowledge it'll be much of the same.

 

My question is: why?

 

I honestly wish people would stop complaining about the direction of the show and just stop watching if they hate where it's heading. We have people here who still insist the show hasn't been good since season 2 and yet they are still watching. I think it stems from people expecting more out of this show than they should and then defending that mentality with every ludicrous argument that they can. The truth is that people probably like complaining, so the simple solution of just not watching when it sucks so bad is not even registering to many.

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Nobody that we saw thought of this, but you make a great point here. Everyone in the preview does look concerned. As if this shouldn't happen. Hopefully, the writers don't ignore it.

 

I'm I missing something? They just all look tired to me.

New babies will do that to you.

[Dark Qiviut 22,393]

I'm I missing something? They just all look tired to me.

New babies will do that to you.

I think Balance is saying this because everyone including FH's parents acted like something's wrong with her. Even Twilight looked worried. But if it's mere exhaustion, then I apologize.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,437]

I'm I missing something? They just all look tired to me.

New babies will do that to you.

I think it is more along the lines that they were surprised to see she was an Alicorn. Which is interesting, because that was my first reaction when seeing the image, then I watched the trailer thing itself and the characters all seem really surprised about it. This does make me wonder some things and makes my mind go into thinking mode. 

[BalanceBrony 259]

As it is with many things. I'm sure the writers will find a way to make it work.

 

Either way, if people don't like the decision I'd rather they just stop watching the show that they don't agree with the direction it's taken rather than complain about it when we all know Hasbro is never going to change their decision based upon people not liking it or their headcanon. That is what I never understood: people who to this day disagree and loathe Twilight Alicorn and insist the quality of the show has declined since her appearance and yet... They're still here. Still watching new episodes and still complaining about everything that they disapprove of.

 

I honestly hope if the explanation they give is a crappy one and people don't like it that they legitimately stop watching the show instead of making more and more blogs and posts about how they hate everything about the direction the show has taken and why they should go back (which they won't) and yet they still actively watch it.

 

I am hoping that after Alicorn Twilight that people learned Hasbro does not go back on decisions, so if you don't like the direction the show has taken, I am sincerely hoping you either learn to let it go, or stop watching. If this was any other show where the creators showed a history of going back on decisions based upon fan back lash then I'd say keep on trying, but it's clear that after Vinyl's eye color fiasco, Alicorn Twilight, Cadance showing there was more than 2 Alicorns in existence, and Equestria Girls that Hasbro does NOT go back on decisions based upon brony back lash. I mean hell I still see people talk about how much they loathe Equestria Girls, and have loathed them since the first film and yet they still watched the third film knowing they would loathe it as well and proceeded to post crappy reviews of it, and I am almost certain the same people will watch the fourth film, in full knowledge it'll be much of the same.

 

My question is: why?

 

I honestly wish people would stop complaining about the direction of the show and just stop watching if they hate where it's heading. We have people here who still insist the show hasn't been good since season 2 and yet they are still watching. I think it stems from people expecting more out of this show than they should and then defending that mentality with every ludicrous argument that they can. The truth is that people probably like complaining, so the simple solution of just not watching when it sucks so bad is not even registering to many.

Well, based on the teaser, it seems to imply that, in-universe, this isn't supposed to happen. That's why I held back my feelings until the review. After watching it a second time, I noticed that all of them, including the Celestial Sisters, looked very concerned. That combined with her unnatural proportions make me think the writers are going to have her be an abomination in-world . And to me that shows the writers did think of how bronies wouldn't like this. And to make it more tasteful to us, they did make her an unnatural birth. The imply something is wrong. If that's the route they take, then it should be fine.

 

And why? Because people care about this show. And it least in my case, story was one of the reasons I really kept coming back. Everything before this implied born Alicorns aren't a thing. Including the canon books and statements from the writers. Other Alicorns were all stated as animation errors. So, if everything said otherwise, and I care about story, yeah it's kinda a big deal. I won't break things, but there was a noted feeling of disappointment at all the lore being contradicted- until I saw that the characters are treating this like it's a bad thing.

 

I'm I missing something? They just all look tired to me.

New babies will do that to you.

Look at Celestia and Luna. They look concerned. Cadence is tired, but Tia and Luna have their heads down and eyes closed. That seems like concern, not tiredness. My guess is after the birth, Shining and Cadence saw that the Princess was all whacked out, and called the sisters, and they were incredibly concerned by it.

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

 

 

Look at Celestia and Luna. They look concerned. Cadence is tired, but Tia and Luna have their heads down and eyes closed.

 

They're "bowing" to Twilight. They've been doing that off and on since she ascended.

But that's how I'm reading it.

[Gamer_KM 90]

 

 

They're "bowing" to Twilight. They've been doing that off and on since she ascended.

This is it, they  have open eyes and stuff when they enter, and bow as she comes close. 

[Dark Qiviut 22,393]

I think it is more along the lines that they were surprised to see she was an Alicorn. Which is interesting, because that was my first reaction when seeing the image, then I watched the trailer thing itself and the characters all seem really surprised about it. This does make me wonder some things and makes my mind go into thinking mode.

 

Someone else in this thread referenced FH's wings popping out like Dumbo's ears unfolding from behind his head. In that film, Dumbo's ears were scrutinized by other elephants and mercilessly bullied for "looking like a freak." I wonder if we'll get something similar, only by not having some jackass insult her.

[Guest]

 

 

And why? Because people care about this show. And it least in my case, story was one of the reasons I really kept coming back.

 

Yes, but I have noticed some people have felt the show has been subpar since season 3 and yet... They are still here to complain about stuff in season 6. Don't you think after 3 years of Hasbro proving they are NEVER going to go back on decisions that involve pushing toy sales that they never will regardless of how much complaining bronies may or may not do? Alicorn Twilight, Cadance being an Alicorn, Equestria Girls, they all stayed.

 

My issue is that we DO have some people who have been doing nothing but go on about how the show has not been very good since season 2 and yet... They're still here as if holding onto this magical belief that suddenly everything they don't like about the newer episodes will just be undone at some point and the show will go back to like it was during season 2 undoing everything they didn't like. Like it begs the question of why they keep watching. I have seen people who have literally given every episode after season 2's finale low scores and yet they keep watching. After 2 seasons of supposedly "low quality" you'd think people would realize that things are not going to go back.

 

Like I remember people legitimately thinking that Season 5 was going to end with Twilight becoming a unicorn again and when it didn't happen they were upset.