general Do you think women should shave?

[Phanact 333]

You're here! Seems like my title caught your attention. Now...

 

I've thought about this for a long time now and finally I have to ask you, out of pure curiousity: What do you guys think when a woman has hairy legs/armpits? Also, what do you think when a man has hairy legs/armpits?

 

If you have time, please answer both questions. More interesting that way. A motivation to why you think what you think would be even more appreciated!

 

Let's drop this bomb, BOOM!

 

I think both genders should shave their more disgusting nether-regions, both men and women. Shaving your legs is so freeing, and its better for everybody that your genitals are shaved, and armpits just are easier to maintain when shaved. I think both genders should do it regularly, personally.

[UserNotFound 964]

I shave my legs because I don't like the feel of them with hair, especially when im getting ready to sleep. I love how they feel when they are silky smooth hence why I do it, however it is a chore for me and I tend to skip shaving through the winter months as I don't usually wear shorts or short pyjamas so it bothers me less... I will shave every so often though just to keep it in check

 

And as for my underarms... As often as possible!!!

 

As for men, some hair is fairly attractive but my biggest issue is a hairy back (probably stemming from one time at a pool when I had to stand behind a guy with gorilla like back hair for the entire time I was lining up for a slide!)

 

However I think if you're fickle enough to not want to be with someone because of the hair on their body then you deserve someone as fickle as you... A relationship should be more meaningful than that

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,178]

I honestly don't care what a women chooses to do with her body hair, just do not expect me to be attracted to and/or date a women who does not shave at least her legs and pits. I am a good boy and shave my terrible neck beard and sleazy Pedo stacsh.

I shave my legs because I don't like the feel of them with hair, especially when im getting ready to sleep. I love how they feel when they are silky smooth hence why I do it, however it is a chore for me and I tend to skip shaving through the winter months as I don't usually wear shorts or short pyjamas so it bothers me less... I will shave every so often though just to keep it in check

And as for my underarms... As often as possible!!!

As for men, some hair is fairly attractive but my biggest issue is a hairy back (probably stemming from one time at a pool when I had to stand behind a guy with gorilla like back hair for the entire time I was lining up for a slide!)

However I think if you're fickle enough to not want to be with someone because of the hair on their body then you deserve someone as fickle as you... A relationship should be more meaningful than that

Love starts at attraction. Think of it like this...... You get a cable company based on their reputation and fair price ... But you stay with them because they value you as a customer, and do a good job.

 

People are attracted to certain physical characteristics, and this is what draws 2 people together. (This is our primal instant to to find a favorable mate in order to pass on our genes)........ What KEEPS people together in a healthy relationship is mutual respect, having shared values, and making eachother happy.

 

It's not being "fickle".... It's being human.

[Envy 6,380]

I honestly don't care what a women chooses to do with her body hair, just do not expect me to be attracted to and/or date a women who does not shave at least her legs and pits. I am a good boy and shave my terrible neck beard and sleazy Pedo stacsh.

You shave your facial hair, but expect women to do more. Sorry, maybe I'm being too harsh here, but it really sounded like you were trying to play it off as only fair, but in reality you're expecting more of women than you are yourself.

 

Love starts at attraction. Think of it like this...... You get a cable company based on their reputation and fair price ... But you stay with them because they value you as a customer, and do a good job.

 

People are attracted to certain physical characteristics, and this is what draws 2 people together. (This is our primal instant to to find a favorable mate in order to pass on our genes)........ What KEEPS people together in a healthy relationship is mutual respect, having shared values, and making eachother happy.

 

It's not being "fickle".... It's being human.

Speak for yourself. I've never had love that came out of physical attraction. Instead for me physical attraction developed after I became attracted to their personality.

[darkwingmare 1,324]

You shave your facial hair, but expect women to do more. Sorry, maybe I'm being too harsh here, but it really sounded like you were trying to play it off as only fair, but in reality you're expecting more of women than you are yourself.

 

Speak for yourself. I've never had love that came out of physical attraction. Instead for me physical attraction developed after I became attracted to their personality.

Greatly written! You wrote precisely what I wanted to write, thank you for that. I'm so happy to see another person who actually shares my point of view on this matter and were able to speak up before I did.   Physical attraction developed after I became attracted to my partner's personality, too. Going after looks first is just a very blind way to start relationships with people by.

 

 

Now for my opinion, no, women should definitely not shave if they don't want to. Women, including myself, has a hard time to not shave because everyone thinks it's "gross" or "unattractive" on girls. This is only because of media. I do shave, I started shaving when I was young, because already back then, people started telling me to shave. My mom, as the only other grown up woman in my life back then, told me that "you'll regret shaving your body this early in life because your hair will grow faster and get thicker. You'll have to shave more the older you get". I was scared, very scared when I first shaved. I almost couldn't do it, but I forced myself because that was "normal" to do and if you didn't do it, you'd be bullied and called "hairy". That still goes, and I think it's truly discriminating to say that "I prefer shaved", when it truly shouldn't matter.

If most of you state that "Girls do what they what they want, but I prefer when they shave" is probably the most stupid thing to say ever, so many double morals in that statement. If you prefer shaved body parts on your girl/man, they will obviously still have a big pressure to shave, which they shouldn't have. So stop saying that, please. You're not making yourself seem any better than you are.

 

If you love a person, it shouldn't matter if they shave or not. It's up to them, and whether they shave or not should not have anything to do with how attractive they are to you or not. If you love them as the person they are, they should be attractive enough for you anyway.

 

Of course, this goes for men too, but men usually don't have the same kind of pressure to shave as girls do. That's why I'm addressing girls most in this post. 

Edited April 27, 2016 by darkwingmare

[Guest]

 

 

You shave your facial hair, but expect women to do more. Sorry, maybe I'm being too harsh here, but it really sounded like you were trying to play it off as only fair, but in reality you're expecting more of women than you are yourself.

 

Not true at all. He's saying women don't like someone on him, just as much as he doesn't like something on them. Women are not OBLIGATED to have sex with him, so therefore they are not OBLIGATED to shave if that is not their goal. I think it's 100% fair that I set the standards for what I will allow to be put atop of my penis thank you, and I think every man has that right. He blatantly said if they want to be with him. We all have that right. Otherwise I could say you're shallow for not accepting every sexual advance thrown your way.

 

As someone who gets offered sexual advances a LOT, I have turned down girls/guys for MANY reasons and they can complain all they like: I am not obligated to fornicate any of them and you can not make me feel like a bad person for that.

 

 

 

Speak for yourself. I've never had love that came out of physical attraction. Instead for me physical attraction developed after I became attracted to their personality.

 

"Exceptions to the rule do not throw the rule away." 

 

 

This is only because of media.

 

False. I simply prefer the feeling of smooth legs. Not everyone is brainwashed by the media. From the moment I was attracted to girls I don't even recall any media telling me that smooth legs were good.

 

 

 

That still goes, and I think it's truly discriminating to say that "I prefer shaved", when it truly shouldn't matter.

 

That is not even remotely discrimination. Someone saying they don't want to have sex with you or that they are not attracted to you is NOT discrimination. It's their given right to deny your genitals for ANY reason they want. What's disgusting is this aura of entitlement. Thinking that you shouldn't have to do ANYTHING to impress a man, and a man should just be obligated to sleep with you regardless of how you look.

 

How many "ugly" men have you been chasing lately?

 

 

 

If most of you state that "Girls do what they what they want, but I prefer when they shave" is probably the most stupid thing to say ever, so many double morals in that statement. If you prefer shaved body parts on your girl/man, they will obviously still have a big pressure to shave, which they shouldn't have. So stop saying that, please. You're not making yourself seem any better than you are.

 

No.

 

I will not, because it is my right to say what I prefer to put my penis in. I have standards for that, and I am not about to lower them because you can't meet someone else's standards. Please stop insisting that men are bad people because they have a preference, as I am sure you have many and don't just throw yourself at any guy who offers. I don't need to make myself seem any "better" because what I prefer is none of your business anyways. I don't need to justify my sexual preferences to you or  anyone.

 

 

 

If you love a person, it shouldn't matter if they shave or not.

 

If a person loves you, then they try to impress you. My wife loves me and thus shaves her legs  because she knows I like it. I can't imagine living in a relationship where the other person just doesn't give a shit about you enough to even try to impress you. All I know is that relationship would not last for very long for me because I go out of my way to impress my wife, and I expect the same back.

 

 

 

It's up to them, and whether they shave or not should not have anything to do with how attractive they are to you or not. If you love them as the person they are, they should be attractive enough for you anyway.

 

 

It's not about love, it's about attraction. I can love someone but not be attracted to them.

[Envy 6,380]

Greatly written! You wrote precisely what I wanted to write, thank you for that. I'm so happy to see another person who actually shares my point of view on this matter and were able to speak up before I did.   Physical attraction developed after I became attracted to my partner's personality, too. Going after looks first is just a very blind way to start relationships with people by.

 

I like to think that's really the only way to go about it. I had one relationship built that way and it was the most amazing thing ever.

 

Too bad it couldn't last. D: I'm hoping to find someone new like that.

 

Not true at all. He's saying women don't like someone on him, just as much as he doesn't like something on them. Women are not OBLIGATED to have sex with him, so therefore they are not OBLIGATED to shave if that is not their goal. I think it's 100% fair that I set the standards for what I will allow to be put atop of my penis thank you, and I think every man has that right. He blatantly said if they want to be with him. We all have that right. Otherwise I could say you're shallow for not accepting every sexual advance thrown your way.

 

As someone who gets offered sexual advances a LOT, I have turned down girls/guys for MANY reasons and they can complain all they like: I am not obligated to fornicate any of them and you can not make me feel like a bad person for that.

No. He wrote that specifically in a way that it was like "Well, I'm such a good boy because I shave my beard and mustache, so I fully expect you to shave your legs and armpits". Yes it was about attraction, BUT he talked as if these were somehow equivalent expectations, when they really aren't, because what about him? Does have to shave those, too? I'm pretty sure that if he ran into a woman that grew facial hair, he'd expect her to shave that, too. It's not equivalent.

 

"Exceptions to the rule do not throw the rule away."

I really have thought for quite some time this is what love is. But... it's possible that's why I've been single for seven years, I guess. I don't blind date, and I don't date based on appearances. I figured love was supposed to be something more special than that.

Seeing as I've recently experienced this amazing deep form of love with a second person recently, I don't want it to happen any other way.

[Guest]

 

 

No. He wrote that specifically in a way that it was like "Well, I'm such a good boy because I shave my beard and mustache, so I fully expect you to shave your legs and armpits". Yes it was about attraction, BUT he talked as if these were somehow equivalent expectations, when they really aren't, because what about him? Does have to shave those, too? I'm pretty sure that if he ran into a woman that grew facial hair, he'd expect her to shave that, too. It's not equivalent.

 

That's not what he said at all, you're putting words in his mouth. It is equivalent expectations anyways, because girls don't just throw themselves at us guys because of our personalities alone. Women have expectations and standards too.

 

 

 

I really have thought for quite some time this is what love is. But... it's possible that's why I've been single for seven years, I guess. I don't blind date, and I don't date based on appearances. I figured love was supposed to be something more special than that. Seeing as I've recently experienced this amazing deep form of love with a second person recently, I don't want it to happen any other way.

 

Good for you...? Doesn't change how the rest of us live.

 

I'm sorry but women have standards and expectations too. We guys get turned down for tons of tiny reasons as well. You act like women are just unfairly denied men all the time based upon petty reasons, when if men are turned down for the same reasons and we complain about it, we're ridiculed and treated like we need to stop complaining when we get shot down for the STUPIDEST of reasons. I was once shot down for not offering to PAY for a dinner.

 

Fortunately I don't take getting shot down as the end of the world, I realize there are other people with different tastes and I get back up and pursue said people. I don't sit there whining over people who didn't like me. It's the same principle as "being nice" to a girl and she turns you down: just because you were nice to someone doesn't mean they have to be attracted to you or offer you to come to pound town. It's a bit entitled to act like men are bad people because they prefer shaved legs. If you don't like it, find a man who doesn't care. It's VERY VERY VERY simple. Instead though, you're sitting here complaining about men whom you probably don't even want sexually that they wouldn't want YOU because of your unshaved legs.

 

Illogical. Pointless. And most importantly: entitled. Expecting men to change their preferences because why? I can guarantee if I said that I was okay with unshaved legs that ANYONE here who is posing a problem with me thinking women should shave their legs to be with me is going to suddenly go "OH NOW I WANT YOU! NOW WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER!" So why do you care so much in the first place about the sexual preferences of men whom you probably don't even have any intention of dating whatsoever?

 

This is the same level of whining as people who complain about "friendzoning". Boo hoo, a guy didn't like you because you didn't shave your legs, he's not obligated to and he certainly doesn't need to change what he likes because of you.

 

The ONLY thing I think is unwarranted is people making fun of you for unshaved legs. That is unfair and bad, but it's the only thing I think is bad. Men having a preference is not bad.

[Stanpai 25]

I think anyone should do what they feel comfy with  

[Envy 6,380]

That's not what he said at all, you're putting words in his mouth. It is equivalent expectations anyways, because girls don't just throw themselves at us guys because of our personalities alone. Women have expectations and standards too.

 

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I'm looking at this from a wider angle than you are, I suppose. I'm looking at it from the perspective of societal expectations and how they play into these 'innocent' attractions.

 

It's really hard not to, my friend. We're expected to be hairless, men are not. Men having beards and mustaches is not comparable to a woman growing out her leg hair in this culture. One is seen as a turn on/turn off, while the other is seen as a taboo altogether. God forbid a woman even dare to have any facial hair that might grown on her in addition to that.

 

These expectations are not equal, and it's very hard to see straight-up turn-offs toward women who grow out leg hair as completely unrelated. As I stated in my first post in this topic, it is natural for both sexes for leg hair to grow. It's societal expectations that dictate which should shave and which should not. If we could really separate ourselves from this expectation as a culture, than maybe we could see it as innocuous turn on/turn off, but that's not the reality.

[Guest]

 

 

I'm looking at this from a wider angle than you are, I suppose. I'm looking at it from the perspective of societal expectations and how they play into these 'innocent' attractions.

 

No, you're turning an inch into a mile to justify your outrage at something that you otherwise have no justifiable reason to be outraged about. The guy was merely saying that he has to put an effort in to impress women, and they should do the same. It's fair. You're not discriminated because men don't want you. They have the right to turn your down sexually for ANY reason and there should never be anything in place to stop them from doing so because sex is not a right. You do not have the "right" to force someone to have sex with you, so they have the right to turn you down for ANY REASON THEY SEE FIT.

 

This isn't societal expectations because there are plenty of men who do not care if your legs are shaved or not and almost every guy here flat out said if a girl isn't dating him, he has no problem with her doing what she wants.

 

 

 

It's really hard not to, my friend. We're expected to be hairless, men are not. Men having beards and mustaches is not comparable to a woman growing out her leg hair in this culture. One is seen as a turn on/turn off, while the other is seen as a taboo altogether. God forbid a woman even dare to have any facial hair that might grown on her in addition to that.

 

I'm sorry but us guys get held to unrealistic standards too. We're expected to be in shape, have high paying jobs and pay for everything. There is no fat acceptance for men, making fun of fat men is still perfectly acceptable and making fun of fat women is "bad" and "destroying self esteem". We get turned down for petty reasons too.

 

The solution is to find someone else not complain that all men have preferences. Guess what: men get turned down for being hairy too. Many women find hairy men gross. It's a PREFERENCE.

 

 

 

These expectations are not equal

 

If a man pays the bill it's "expected", if he wants to split it, he's cheap.

If a woman stares at a man's crotch it's flirting, but if a man stares at a woman's breasts it's creepy.

If a man isn't in shape it's okay to deny him. If you deny a woman for not being in shape it's "fat shaming".

 

I'm sorry but the expectations put on us guys are ridiculous. We're expected to be rich, in shape, perfect gentlemen and NOW apparently expected to NOT have expectations of OUR OWN. I've once been told I was trash because I didn't want to pay a girl's phone bill.

 

I'm sorry but I'm in shape. I work out. I eat right. I shave. I groom. I take care of myself and I want someone who will do the same for themselves for me. When you don't like other people's standards you don't tell everyone they need to change them.

 

 

 

and it's very hard to see straight-up turn-offs toward women who grow out leg hair as completely unrelated.

 

I have actually never SEEN a woman being turned down for a little leg hair. Unless the issue is extreme, I have never had any of my friends tell me they turned down a girl for having too much leg hair. I am convinced that people exaggerate how much people get turned down for it. Most of us guys will excuse a little leg hair if we've been dating you for a while, because we understand. I am convinced that only extreme cases get turned down.

 

I have never seen it happen in my days and I have definitely been with some girls with a little leg hair and I didn't just stop the moment their pants came off and be like "Actually, you know what? No thanks."

 

And I am pretty confident that it hasn't happened to you as often as you'd like people to believe.

 

 

 

It's societal expectations that dictate which should shave and which should not. If we could really separate ourselves from this expectation as a culture, than maybe we could see it as innocuous turn on/turn off, but that's not the reality.

 

Do you know why most men like shaved legs? We like the EFFORT. We like when a woman puts in EFFORT to impress us. That's the expectation: for a woman to put in effort. We like to know that a woman is not just rolling out of bed thinking she is entitled to us sleeping with her/dating her. We like to know that a woman cares about how she makes us look in public because it shows they care about us.

 

That's the expectation: that someone gives a damn. I'm sorry but we're not turned on by someone who roles out of bed and just thinks that we will accept any old thing they throw at us, especially if we put the effort in to look good. I don't buy $27 shirts to go out and be seen with street trash in a dirty undershirt with unshaved legs and unshowered. 

[Concerned Bystander 2,905]

People have preferences.  Having a preference is not 'oppression!'.  Literally nobody is being forced to shave anything that they don't want to shave (unless you're in the military, in which case you have to shave, but only if you're male).

[FlitterFlutter 1,595]

 

 

If you had/have a girlfriend.... If she stopped shaving because she found it more suiting and comfortable FOR HER. Would you tell her to shave, for your sake? Or would you love her for who she is like you hopefully did to begin with and let her be hairy all she wants?

People have done the same with men. I have seen many people say "i prefer hairy guys." People are allowed to have preferences on what they like and don't like. It is not a double standard. 

 

 

Literally nobody is being forced to shave anything that they don't want to shave

I can't agree with that. There are many jobs that say you can't have facial hair, or say women must save legs EtC. Take for example modeling jobs, or food service, something like that.

[Guest]

 

 

I can't agree with that. There are many jobs that say you can't have facial hair, or say women must save legs EtC. Take for example modeling jobs, or food service, something like that.

 

 

That's not exactly the same though. Those jobs have special requirements due to the nature of the job.

[Concerned Bystander 2,905]

I can't agree with that. There are many jobs that say you can't have facial hair, or say women must save legs EtC. Take for example modeling jobs, or food service, something like that.

 

That's easy enough, if you don't want to shave your legs, then don't model for a company that would demand you do.  Just the same as a man who's beard means more to him than being in the military, should not join the military.

 

As for food service jobs, I have seen plenty of men with beards working in that field, as long as they wear beard nets (yes, those are a thing), exactly the same as pretty much anyone who isn't bald, should be wearing a hair net when preparing food.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[FlitterFlutter 1,595]

That's not exactly the same though. Those jobs have special requirements due to the nature of the job.

That is my point if they want the job they are forced to shave (or not shave). So when he says no one is being forced to shave, that is simply not correct.

 

 

s for food service jobs, I have seen plenty of men with beards working in that field, as long as they wear beard nets (yes, those are a thing), exactly the same as pretty much anyone who isn't bald, should be wearing a hair net when preparing food.

I used to work at Subway, and they said that men could not have facial hair longer then X inches, I don't remember exactly what it was. I am not disagreeing with you just pointing it out.

[Concerned Bystander 2,905]

I used to work at Subway, and they said that men could not have facial hair longer then X inches, I don't remember exactly what it was. I am not disagreeing with you just pointing it out.

 

That may be a difference in local legislation, which is fair enough, where I live (the UK), such a stipulation would be illegal, as long as the hair is suitably prevented from entering the food then you can have your hair (or beard) as long as you wish.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Guest]

That is my point if they want the job they are forced to shave (or not shave). So when he says no one is being forced to shave, that is simply not correct.

He means in general terms. Your examples are such specific scenarios that they affect such a minor amount of people that they aren't exactly forcing even a small percent of the female population to shave their legs. That's the same as saying we haven't ruled out an alien mind control device that forces all women to shave their legs. Sure it could happen, but the chances are so small it's not even worth humoring in the argument because it's such a minor effect that it more than likely won't affect a majority of people.

[FlitterFlutter 1,595]

He means in general terms. Your examples are such specific scenarios that they affect such a minor amount of people that they aren't exactly forcing even a small percent of the female population to shave their legs. That's the same as saying we haven't ruled out an alien mind control device that forces all women to shave their legs. Sure it could happen, but the chances are so small it's not even worth humoring in the argument because it's such a minor effect that it more than likely won't affect a majority of people.

I don't care if it is one person when you use the term No one. That suggest zero, okay I am not disagreeing with you I agree that people should be able to do whatever the hell they want. I understand that not many people are being forced to do anything, However it does happen and that is all i am saying. I think you are trying to suggest that I am saying something that I am not.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,178]

You shave your facial hair, but expect women to do more. Sorry, maybe I'm being too harsh here, but it really sounded like you were trying to play it off as only fair, but in reality you're expecting more of women than you are yourself.

 

Speak for yourself. I've never had love that came out of physical attraction. Instead for me physical attraction developed after I became attracted to their personality.

 

HAHAHAHA!!!.....No I do not expect a women to do more to attract  me. That was simply one of my standards for myself. I expect a women to expect me to

1: Be a manly man

2:Be tough

3: Hold on to every word she says

4: Have a heart of gold

 and soo so much more. Its pretty ridiculous what a guy must do to attract a women..... while most guys just want someone who looks halfway decent.

 

Personality is as just as much of a façade as physical appearance, so I don't know exactly what point you are trying to make..... I would still consider that a physical attraction.

Edited April 28, 2016 by Shepard of Fire

[ISleepNow 20]

Only if they need to.. (moustaches on girls make me throw up) 

[The Leafeon Pinkeh 3,603]

everyone needs to shave their armpits oh my gosh please why isn't this a law?  Hello? Future president, and rulers everywhere, can we make this a law? 

 

> im a girl also i have my rights to input

[cuteycindyhoney 13,336]

I like to feel neat. Legs and pits regularly, and sometimes...Never mind that!

[Guest]

I don't care if it is one person when you use the term No one. That suggest zero, okay I am not disagreeing with you I agree that people should be able to do whatever the hell they want. I understand that not many people are being forced to do anything, However it does happen and that is all i am saying. I think you are trying to suggest that I am saying something that I am not.

 

My issue is more that you're arguing semantics than anything else...

[FlitterFlutter 1,595]

My issue is more that you're arguing semantics than anything else...

You almost have to though, if you don't understand the meaning of a word or phrase then what is the point?

 

However like I said, I understand it is a figure of speech. Perhaps I should of just let it slide and said nothing.