Surie Polomare is a true sociopath

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

After all she has done, I don't see her reforming unless they feature her in some scenario where she begs Rarity for a job at one of her boutique chains. Surie stole and lied to Rarity, you'd figure after her knowing Rarity had a hand in saving Equestria.....Any gratitude? 

[BastementSparkle 20,334]

I don't think that's enough evidence she's a Sociopath. I mean, Discord and Starlight, Trixie and Gilda, Sunset and Diamond, all of them were pretty horrible at one point. Before they were either reformed by Friendship or Friendship laser beams anyway. She's only been in one episode, and she didn't do anything completely irredeemable there, though she was certainly cruel.

 

 That said, she doesn't need a reformation. I personally like a lot of the show's reformations, but not every single villain or antagonist needs one.

[Castle Bleck 19,440]

The closest thing to a 100% sociopath is Chrysalis.

 

Especially in the comics, where -- despite having been banished, imprisoned, etc. more than once -- she still refuses to learn her lesson like Discord, Trixie, Sunset, Gilda, Diamond, Starlight, etc.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

Yes Suri Polomare is truly beyond redemption. I mean she stole some fabric and was smug about it, truly the height of villainy.  Now if she had brainwashed dozens of ponies, assaulted a princess and made time her bitch all because she couldn't write letters to her BF and felt really sorry about doing all of it, then she would be perfectly fine to be redeemed. After all how you act is far worse than the actions you've caused. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

The closest thing to a 100% sociopath is Chrysalis.

 

Especially in the comics, where -- despite having been banished, imprisoned, etc. more than once -- she still refuses to learn her lesson like Discord, Trixie, Sunset, Gilda, Diamond, Starlight, etc.

The lesson is merely "Bring more guns/spears to the fight"

After all, she's won more than a fair number of times simply via force, like how her swarm invaded and devoured the populace of timbucktui.

 

 

Yes Suri Polomare is truly beyond redemption. I mean she stole some fabric and was smug about it, truly the height of villainy.  Now if she had brainwashed dozens of ponies, assaulted a princess and made time her bitch all because she couldn't write letters to her BF and felt really sorry about doing all of it, then she would be perfectly fine to be redeemed. After all how you act is far worse than the actions you've caused. 

XD

Its true

[cmarston1 5,962]

If someone like Starlight Glimmer can be redeemed and becoming instant besties with the mane 6 after violating several human rights, starting an actual a cult, brainwashing others, forcing her ideology onto others, and planning to do the same to the rest of equestria, as well as actively screw up the fabric of time and space out of pure spite, than I am pretty sure at this point that literally anyone can be redeemed in this show.

And that includes Suri, even if I really don't want to see anymore villain reformations from this show. 

Edited April 22, 2016 by cmarston1

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

Other villains go far worse than she does. Tirek stole energy, went on a destructive rampage across Equestria, manipulated others into betrayal, and didn't stop until everything was destroyed. Why? Just 'cuz.

 

Suri has much more method behind her madness, and it comes down to one simple fact: it's business. She sees the industry she's in as a very cutthroat field and her amoral business ethics dictate that nothing is too low for her. She's not above breaking established codes and rules to gain money and using underhanded psychological tactics to down her competition. We can see the only reason she's in the business is for fame and prestige rather than the love for it. She's pretty much the same as the age-old caricature of the cold, unfeeling businessman who drives his workers like slaves and rolls in the profits.

 

So, yes she's a cold, unfeeling character, but far from the biggest one on the show. A return for her would be interesting to say the least. It would be nice to see how she's been doing since Coco bailed on her.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,305]

Suri isn't exactly villain tier.  At worst, I'd say she's douche bag tier (a very popular tier in the human world).  But, however you slice it, she was essential to "Rarity Takes Manehattan"; she pretty much created the entire conflict.  I don't think she's beyond reformation, but I'm not exactly fraught with excitement over the possibility.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Other villains go far worse than she does. Tirek stole energy, went on a destructive rampage across Equestria, manipulated others into betrayal, and didn't stop until everything was destroyed. Why? Just 'cuz.

 

Suri has much more method behind her madness, and it comes down to one simple fact: it's business. She sees the industry she's in as a very cutthroat field and her amoral business ethics dictate that nothing is too low for her. She's not above breaking established codes and rules to gain money and using underhanded psychological tactics to down her competition. We can see the only reason she's in the business is for fame and prestige rather than the love for it. She's pretty much the same as the age-old caricature of the cold, unfeeling businessman who drives his workers like slaves and rolls in the profits.

 

So, yes she's a cold, unfeeling character, but far from the biggest one on the show. A return for her would be interesting to say the least. It would be nice to see how she's been doing since Coco bailed on her.

Rarity should have told Celestia.. Celestia sentences Surie to the dungeons.

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

Rarity should have told Celestia.. Celestia sentences Surie to the dungeons.

I don't think the dungeons would be appropriate, but if Equestria was like America, Suri could expect a lengthy prison term for criminal copyright infringement and grand larceny (with reference to the trophy), but if and only if Rarity could provide proof that she created the dresses before Suri did. Suri copied them in what seemed like less than 24 hours and before she showed them in public, which would make it hard for her to prove if she didn't take any pictures.

Edited April 22, 2016 by Wind Chaser

[NeonCobalt 256]

Yes Suri Polomare is truly beyond redemption. I mean she stole some fabric and was smug about it, truly the height of villainy.  Now if she had brainwashed dozens of ponies, assaulted a princess and made time her bitch all because she couldn't write letters to her BF and felt really sorry about doing all of it, then she would be perfectly fine to be redeemed. After all how you act is far worse than the actions you've caused.

 

As much as I like Starlight, I believe you just won the Internet. Congratulations!

[Megas 28,081]

Suri may not be a love/magic-sucking/reality-warping demon, she may not have enslaved entire towns, put others in danger, or try to destroy time itself, but she has one thing those others don't: the personal touch. The fact that there are many like in real life is what makes her so unlikable, yet such a great antagonist. She may not be a tyrant or a literal monster, but she's awful in her own special way. There's many in real life that are irredeemable, even if their actions aren't truly awful, and I think Suri could reflect that. I don't want Suri redeemed and honestly she's better that way

[Justin_Case001 4,930]

Suri?  For some reason, I was remembering it as Siri Polomare.  The IPony, I guess....

 

Y'know, I don't know if it's just me here, but in shows and movies and stories and such, I always get a lot angrier at the average jerk like Suri, rather than the dark lords of destruction like Sombra or Tirek.  I think it's safe to say that Sombra and Tirek were a bit more of a threat, and just a tad more evil than Suri, and yet, they don't really piss me off.  Suri, on the other hoof, makes me hopping mad.  I just wanted to ring her neck.  Same goes for Diamond pre-redemption.  I think it's because a character like Suri or Diamond is something we can all relate to, because it's something everyone encounters in some form or another throughout their lives.  We've all either been bullied in school, or been treated poorly by some impatient jerk, or been lied to, or something like that.  But not very many of us have been enslaved or had our town razed to the ground by a dark lord.  That's why the little, "real people" ponies that are just mean are more aggravating to watch.

 

I hope they don't reform Suri, though, unless they decided to really develop her, and make a good, plausible reason for her learning her lesson.  Y'know, not just the ol' "take my hoof in friendship", and presto chango, kablamo, BFFs!  I'm not really opposed to any story they might want to do, if it's done right with proper development.  But that's a really big if, y'know?  While a focus on friendship, optimism, and redemption is great, I think it is valuable for FIM to show that some people are jerks, and are not going to change, and you need to know how to deal with them throughout your life.  I definitely think there should be a few normal pony antagonists that aren't reformed.  We don't want it to only be the dark lords that stay evil, because that's not relatable or realistic.

[Luminance 2,187]

Ultimately, Suri is probably the most "realistic" villain in that she used her vile ways to use Rarity's generous nature to cheat. At least in the end, we got Coco Pummel from Suri.

[Truffles 2,033]

 

 

Suri, on the other hoof, makes me hopping mad.  I just wanted to ring her neck. Same goes for Diamond pre-redemption.

 

It's interesting that you mention those two since they both have (had, in the case of DT) a win-at-all-costs attitude, and in fact both pretty much stated it outright at one point or another.

 

Suri gets my goat as well for all the reasons you describe - she's a pony I just love to hate. For whatever reason Diamond didn't bother me as much, maybe because Diamond seemed to get more just desserts by the end of each episode she was in, and Suri didn't in her one appearance so far. Even after losing Coco, she certainly didn't appear to be hurting for bits two episodes ago during her cameo.

 

If they redeem her this season, I have to admit I'll be disappointed because she's more interesting as a villain than a reformed villain. I kind of feel the same way about Starlight - she was more interesting as a villain, too, and didn't really want her to be redeemed. But the way she hit it off with Spike in the season opener has made up for some of that. However, I don't see a reformed Suri and Spike ever becoming close friends like he and Starlight are.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

Honestly, I think it would have been interesting to  have seen Suri under the effects of the inspiration manifestation spell; Crazy rarity was a hoot, and seeing Suri going fashion insane would have been just as enjoyable, ala Trixie when she was crazy under the alicorn amulet.

[Yellow Diamond 7,578]

Suri has some hallmark traits of a sociopath, namely, she's manipulative, angers easily, is self-absorbed, and demonstrates a lack of empathy for others. But I think those are more coincidental traits rather than the basis for a clinical diagnosis. She's still highly functional, for instance, while in contrast most sociopaths struggle to maintain meaningful relationships and careers. I chalk it up to her being ambitious to a fault, a product of the high-stakes competitive environment of the fashion industry.

 

Nevertheless, so far as antagonists go, Suri's one of the most realistic, that is, she's an antagonist one who could readily transfer over to a real life situation or person. Unlike Discord or Chrysalis, she's pretty mundane; she hasn't the same lofty ambitions or powers that they possess. But she is downright unlikable, and she's neither redeemed nor even recognizes that what she did was wrong. Whether or not she has the capacity to acknowledge her faults in a meaningful way in another issue; we'd have to get Suri in another episode to find out if that mare has any sense of fairness.

[twiia 1,843]

If Starlight can learn the magic of friendship, almost every pony can. However, too many villains and antagonists are redeemed and I won't fancy seeing another one.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

However, too many villains and antagonists are redeemed and I won't fancy seeing another one.

Villains I Hope aren't redeemed:

The sirens

Chrysalis

Lightning dust

Wind rider

Suri

Garble

Tirek

 

This show needs to keep some of them evil...