gaming Zelda U Delayed + NX Port

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What, in my opinion, sucks the most about the whole situation is this: Nintendo never stopped making fun, quality games.  They never stopped being great developers who seemingly care about the gaming experience.  They're absolute shit at advertising, and that sucks, too.  There are games out there like "Destiny" that had great advertising that, well, turned into awful gaming experiences.  But they sold; they were successful.  Advertising means nothing to me; I know what games I want and will enjoy.  But advertising is more important nowadays than actually making a good, fun game.

 

100% true. And at the end of the day, sales make the games we like a possibility. If the next Call of Duty doesn't come out on NX and sell well, let's be honest: that's tons of money that Nintendo is losing out on and it makes making the next Mario or Zelda that much harder to justify because no one is buying the system. 

[Megas 27,743]

Thought this tidbit was worth sharing - http://kotaku.com/nintendo-new-nx-console-will-be-out-march-2017-1773312629

 

 

 

When asked why Nintendo wasn’t launching the NX in time for this year’s big holiday season, Kimishima explained that Nintendo wanted to make sure there were games to go along with the NX.

methinks they want to avoid another 3DS/Wii U launch if they're willing to pass up the big holiday season. But with that said, what really matters is the long term plan

Edited April 27, 2016 by Megas

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

100% true. And at the end of the day, sales make the games we like a possibility. If the next Call of Duty doesn't come out on NX and sell well, let's be honest: that's tons of money that Nintendo is losing out on and it makes making the next Mario or Zelda that much harder to justify because no one is buying the system. 

As a lifelong gamer, the catch-22 of, "We have to make first-party titles in order sell systems in order to attract third-party developers in order to sell systems in order to make more first-party titles," is really disheartening.

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As a lifelong gamer, the catch-22 of, "We have to make first-party titles in order sell systems in order to attract third-party developers in order to sell systems in order to make more first-party titles," is really disheartening.

Business is business. That's just how it goes sadly.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Business is business. That's just how it goes sadly.

Once upon a time, business was good for the right reasons; because gaming was fun.  Now it's good because developers make false promises at E3, rely upon hype over quality, and reach two-handed into everyone's pockets before a game's even available or complete.

[PiratePony 8,475]

[quote name="Envy" post="4490757" timestamp="1461778976I'm just slow goings then.

The Wii U was released in 2012, the NX will be released in 2017. I don't think that's a remarkably short lifespan.

 

...wow. I agree with you and feel foolish now. I guess I'm just slow goings then

Maybe I'll buy both when NX comes out then and play 5 year catch up.

 

Truth be told, once you have a kid life operates at a different speed.

 

As far as Megas saying it won't be BC - if it means a better game system that can get back to competing with PS/XBox and make consumers happy, I'd be fine ditching the BC.

100% true. And at the end of the day, sales make the games we like a possibility. If the next Call of Duty doesn't come out on NX and sell well, let's be honest: that's tons of money that Nintendo is losing out on and it makes making the next Mario or Zelda that much harder to justify because no one is buying the system.

 

That's how Hollywood works. The passion projects that win Oscars are greenlit by the funds generated by super hero movies ("tentpole picture")

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,684]

This wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo decided to scrap the Wii U version all together. It seems Nintendo themselves have lost confidence in the system, but that is their own fault. The Wii U is a pretty cool piece of tech, but if you don't get third parties on board, you have no chance. 

 

I really don't think I am going to bother with the NX, unless I can get a good price for my Wii U, which by then, I definitely won't. 

[Bright Honor 2,684]

-No NX till March 2017

-No NX at E3

-No Zelda till 2017

-Zelda will be the only playable Nintendo game at E3.

 

Trust me I was LIVID when I woke up to all of this in the morning. The hell is this company thinking?

 

Have fun with your worst E3 and holiday season ever Nintendo. I am so done. My hype and interest is gone.

[Guest]

-No NX till March 2017

-No NX at E3

-No Zelda till 2017

-Zelda will be the only playable Nintendo game at E3.

 

Trust me I was LIVID when I woke up to all of this in the morning. The hell is this company thinking?

 

Have fun with your worst E3 and holiday season ever Nintendo. I am so done. My hype and interest is gone.

 

This is especially bad when we all consider the elephant in the middle of the room... Sony. Sony is gunning hard at E3 this year with tons of big titles people are waiting for like Horizon Zero Dawn, Last Guardian, the PS4 Neo and of course PS VR. Nintendo is bringing... 1 game... That won't be out until next year... For a console we will learn nothing about. They are relying on people remaining interested that long. When only less than 11 million Wii U's are out there, they are playing a dangerous move.

 

 

 

As far as Megas saying it won't be BC - if it means a better game system that can get back to competing with PS/XBox and make consumers happy, I'd be fine ditching the BC

 

Also who exactly is demanding Wii U games enough to justify BC? Virtually no one. The Wii U sales are crap, so there isn't a lot of demand.

 

 

Thought this tidbit was worth sharing - http://kotaku.com/nintendo-new-nx-console-will-be-out-march-2017-1773312629

 

methinks they want to avoid another 3DS/Wii U launch if they're willing to pass up the big holiday season. But with that said, what really matters is the long term plan

 

I agree, this may be a good plan... But it also may be a bad plan. It's definitely not without risks.

[Megas 27,743]

If there's enough people demanding to have Wii U games on the NX, honestly they'd be better off porting/remastering its best titles, as much as I may dislike this tactic

Edited April 27, 2016 by Megas

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If there's enough people demanding to have Wii U games on the NX, honestly they'd be better off porting/remastering its best titles, as much as I may dislike this tactic

Probably the only safe route to go at this point. They are walking a dangerous line with NX...

[Celtore 2,770]

I knew it... Also called the NX port, in fact, I bet the port is mostly responsible for the added delay. They've had literally years of overtime now to deal with these quality issues, why are they suddenly a problem? I don't have much experience coding video games, but you don't want to build on top of a crappy foundation. You want to catch that kind of stuff as early as you can.

 

At any rate, I'm out. Paper Mario alone already had me spitting poison, but I've somehow lost even more confidence.

[Limeblossom 482]

Because this move worked so well for Rayman Legends

It even got the developers pissed at Ubisoft and one of the creators sided with those who showed their protest against the delay :

 

Back on topic; It's not helping the Zelda franchise. We've seen games being delayed time to time with the consequence of being stuck in development Hell or forgotten. I know Industry veteran Miyamoto commended that an game being delayed for improving some stuff is still better than quickly publish a flawed piece. I understand what he meant, but sometimes it's necessary to put an halt when the development time is too long. Before you know it's 13 years later and you're all out of gum .

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I probably won't be able to get the NX on launch; i'll probably wait a few years until it has games I like. Anywho, I pretty much figured Zelda would be delayed AGAIN. God, at this point it's going to be released with the Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Disappointing, but as long as it's released on the Wii U i'm fine. Is there any info on if it's gonna be shown at E3?

 

The information that NX is a March 2017 launch also came out recently, not sure if it relates to this thread or not, which I find a little odd. Why would you say when it's released but not what the gimmick is...? Anyway, the NX coming out next year is pretty OK in my book. Ive had my Wii U since... what, late 2014 and I've thoroughly enjoyed it thus far. Not a huge library in general, but the PS4 and XB1 don't fare much better, and the games I do have are pretty fun. The one wish I have for the NX is a large library of decent titles, though at this point i'm not sure if it's wise to hope for that. Ah, I guess i'll wait and see.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Shift

[Discordian 6,015]

I just hope it doesn't turn into a situation where the game was mostly made for the Wii-U so it's gonna look like a Wii-U game even on the NX. A lot of PS4 versions of last gen games are like this. The "new coat of paint" doesn't come out as great as they say it will.

 

But I don't know anything about the new Zelda game anyway. Last thing I saw of it was that thing they showed when it was released and they said you could travel to every corner of that world you were seeing.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

 

 

Also who exactly is demanding Wii U games enough to justify BC? Virtually no one. The Wii U sales are crap, so there isn't a lot of demand.

Well, if there isn't a demand for Wii U games, no one had ought to be mad about Nintendo's move to the NX or the delay of Zelda so that it can be an NX game.  Wasn't this topic itself actually about the demand for a Wii U game?

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Is there any info on if it's gonna be shown at E3?

 

 

That's what we're being told.

 

 

 

I just hope it doesn't turn into a situation where the game was mostly made for the Wii-U so it's gonna look like a Wii-U game even on the NX

 

Yeah that's another problem. It's more or less no matter what they do it'll piss someone off. 

 

 

Well, if there isn't a demand for Wii U games, no one had ought to be mad about Nintendo's move to the NX or the delay of Zelda so that it can be an NX game.  Wasn't this topic itself actually about the demand for a Wii U game?

 

A demand more or less for a single Wii U game. Many people ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and many others only for this game and like 2-3 other titles. When you can't even get people to want enough games to surpass the cost of the hardware, you are going to have mad fans. I have tons of fans who ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and now are mad that the better version will be available on another system. 

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@@Key Sharkz, 

 

Oh, that's great! Looks like I have something to look forward to for E3 besides hoping that Square Enix will throw some FF7R and/or KH3 info at us.

 

Yeah, Nintendo's kinda put themselves into a rock and a hard place. Better graphics on NX? Wii U fans are pissed. Same Wii U graphics on NX? NX fans are pissed. There is really no way Nintendo can win... honestly at this point I don't care about the graphics as long as I get a decent (or with how much it's being delayed, godlike) Zelda for my Wii U.

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Oh, that's great! Looks like I have something to look forward to for E3 besides hoping that Square Enix will throw some FF7R and/or KH3 info at us.

 

And pretend they have anything close to a finished game coming out any time soon, right?

 

Honestly... This is going to have backlash no matter WHAT they do. The only thing we can hope for is they find a way to get the least amount of backlash.

[Discordian 6,015]

That's what we're being told.

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's another problem. It's more or less no matter what they do it'll piss someone off. 

 

 

 

 

A demand more or less for a single Wii U game. Many people ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and many others only for this game and like 2-3 other titles. When you can't even get people to want enough games to surpass the cost of the hardware, you are going to have mad fans. I have tons of fans who ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and now are mad that the better version will be available on another system.

Seems Nintendo fans now get to taste the bitterness of the Final Fantasy Versus XIII crowd who bought a PS3 ten years ago just for that game...only to never get it and now it's PS4 and Xbox One.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

 

 

A demand more or less for a single Wii U game. Many people ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and many others only for this game and like 2-3 other titles. When you can't even get people to want enough games to surpass the cost of the hardware, you are going to have mad fans. I have tons of fans who ONLY got the Wii U for this game, and now are mad that the better version will be available on another system.

That's the problem with being a just-Zelda fan as opposed to a Nintendo fan, and if you got a console for a title that any Zelda fan worth their salt could've told you wasn't coming anytime soon, you have only yourself to blame.  BUT!  If you get the NX, you'll have the choice of a main series Zelda title right out the gate.  So there's that.

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@@Key Sharkz,

 

i am so desperate at this point that just a render of tifa/aerith/yuffie/sephiroth/lolwhoever would get me unbelievably hyped >.<

 

The problem is figuring out what that way is... if anything, i'd just improve the graphics slightly for the NX, nothing too big that it's glaring, but enough that it's noticeable.

 

@@Discordian,

 

Wow, talk about a blast from the past. I didn't get a PS3, but there is a friend of mine who was huge on FF so he got the PS3 purely for Versus. I had to deal with his salt for months after it was revealed it was purely for XB1/PS4. Hopefully I won't have to suffer through the salt myself...

[Discordian 6,015]

@@Shift,

 

You shouldn't have to. Final Fantasy XV (previously Versus XIII for those not in the know) will be coming out September 30th of this year. Short of something literally catastrophic we'll see the game within the next year one way or the other.

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@@Discordian,

 

Huh, didn't know that. Better start saving up my money, but there are already like 5-7 games that I still want to buy this year so I might have to put it off (rip my wallet, at least bayonetta 2 is down to 30 bucks).Although I was referring to how salty I would get if Zelda skipped Wii U.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,303]

Look: I know Nintendo fans have legitimate cause to complain and even Nintendo's detractors have solid points.  But I've watched Nintendo "fans" whine endlessly about EVERY.  LITTLE.  THING.  Everything.  I saw people on Miiverse hate-spam onto every VC release that wasn't precisely the title they wanted to play.  I saw people on Miiverse hate-spam onto games aimed at younger audiences because they were so damned afraid of the Wii U being considered a console for children.  I've seen people who wanted the Wii U to die an abrupt death in its first year and people who expect a commercially unsuccessful console to continue being unsuccessful for who knows how long.  I've had worthwhile gaming experiences with my Wii U console because I both knew what I wanted from it and knew how to make the best of what I got.  I'm not saying it shouldn't have been better, but it's not the world-ending event some self-proclaimed Nintendo fans have been making it out to be from day one.