news ToonKriticY2K and accusations of sexual misconduct

[Starlight Nova 3]

https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/acts/act_3815_1930.html

here u can read this it covers FELONIES AND CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH AFFECT CRIMINAL LIABILITY

5 minutes ago, Lucid_Nightlight said:

I doubt it. I think he's a fan who desperately doesn't want it to be true

i be happy to webcam with ya to prove otherwise 

oh and i'm canadian by birth

10 minutes ago, Lucid_Nightlight said:

Although it's good to be skeptical, Toon has actually admitted to his actions. If he truly was innocent, he could easily show sufficient evidence, which he did not, he admitted that the claims against him are true.

yes he did he admitted the claims against him were true that the screenshots were real but he did not admit to being a pedo or to be breaking the law, and were the screenshots that were leaked the same ones he admitted to were real

sorry lucid was trying to quote the other one, and no its not that i'm a fan of toonkritic i'm a fan of the show not of the fandom

the fandom and community have shown that they are no different then a standard fandom of any show there is nothing really special about this community 

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5 minutes ago, Starlight Nova said:

https://www.lawphil.net/statutes/acts/act_3815_1930.html

here u can read this it covers FELONIES AND CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH AFFECT CRIMINAL LIABILITY

If I may qoute your source: "Article 12. Circumstances which exempt from criminal liability. - the following are exempt from criminal liability:

1. An imbecile or an insane person, unless the latter has acted during a lucid interval.

When the imbecile or an insane person has committed an act which the law defines as a felony (delito), the court shall order his confinement in one of the hospitals or asylums established for persons thus afflicted, which he shall not be permitted to leave without first obtaining the permission of the same court.

2. A person under nine years of age.

3. A person over nine years of age and under fifteen, unless he has acted with discernment, in which case, such minor shall be proceeded against in accordance with the provisions of Art. 80 of this Code." 

Wouldn't the last part apply to Sally? 

And even if it didn't, I have a hard time seeing any sane country arrest a child for "producing child pornography" by taking pictures of herself. 

[Gestum 2,493]

12 minutes ago, Starlight Nova said:

here u can read this it covers FELONIES AND CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH AFFECT CRIMINAL LIABILITY 

That source was from the 1930s when the philippines had a much lower age of criminal responsbility then it has today. So it's useless when arguing about the age of criminal responsbility.

Also it didn't even prove your point. I'm pretty sure it doesn't even name child porn.

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Posts hidden. Please drop the passive aggressive attitude.

Thank you.

[Nyactis Mewcis Catlum 672]

7 hours ago, Starlight Nova said:

-snip-

Half of your post is projection and not engaging at all in what I said. It's clear you read my post and predetermined my intention behind posting it. I'm not going to waste my time with a post that is mostly irrelevant to mine and is assuming my stances on issues that are unrelated to the topic at hand.

I will say one thing: I am also a RPer. It is inappropriate to RP things of a sexual nature if you are an adult and the person you are RPing with is a young teen. Also, I don't need to cite chat logs to suggest there is a maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 24 year old. I'm a little appalled I even have to explain this: a 14 year old and 24 year old are in two different stages of their life. A 24 year old is old enough to be these things to the 14 year old:

• Her teacher
• Her babysitter
• Her guidance counselor
• Her tutor
• Her Uber car driver

There are other obvious differences that a 14 year old and 24 year old would be experiencing:

• A 24 year old likely has a job; I would be concerned if a 14 year old did beyond volunteer work
• A 14 year old just entered high school within the past year; a 24 year old graduated from high school (hopefully, if he didn't just bullshit his classes) six years ago
• A 14 year old just started puberty recently; a 24 year old entered puberty over ten years ago
• A 24 year old is far more likely to have had at least one, possibly multiple, sexual relationships than a 14 year old
• A 24 year old is most likely legally able to drive; a 14 year old won't even be able to apply to be a legal driver for at least 2 more years
• A 24 year old is able to drink legally; a 14 year old, at least in the U.S., won't be able to for several years
• A 14 year old's brain is still developing at a rapid rate while a 24 year old's brain is very close to its prime
• A 24 year old is likely living independently, or at least is capable of doing so; a 14 year old living independently would be considered alarming

If you honestly think that these would not contribute to a significant difference in maturity, then I consider such a view naive at best.

This is also not mentioning the social and sexual dysfunction that often results from this kind of exposure from an adult. Yes, I get it. Teens can be pretty sexual with each other. But that's just it - they're teens. They're peers. It's expected for peers to talk about things that their peers are experiencing. An adult, however, is expected to be responsible and mature and not think that just because teens are talking about such things that it's an invitation to them to speak with them themselves as if they themselves are adults. Teens are not adults. They are not peers.

If you're really that desperate for eRP or sexual RP in general, there are plenty of willing adults, plenty of peers that Toon could have contacted for that. Hell, he even had a partner he could have done that with. The fact that he chose someone significantly younger than he is rings alarm bells, even if it might not be strictly breaking laws. I'm no lawyer, but I am a person with common sense, and common sense tells me it's really fucking weird for an adult to want sexual things from people who only just stopped being strictly kids two years ago, RP or no.

[Starlight Nova 3]

5 hours ago, Nyactis Mewcis Catlum said:

Half of your post is projection and not engaging at all in what I said. It's clear you read my post and predetermined my intention behind posting it. I'm not going to waste my time with a post that is mostly irrelevant to mine and is assuming my stances on issues that are unrelated to the topic at hand.

I will say one thing: I am also a RPer. It is inappropriate to RP things of a sexual nature if you are an adult and the person you are RPing with is a young teen. Also, I don't need to cite chat logs to suggest there is a maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 24 year old. I'm a little appalled I even have to explain this: a 14 year old and 24 year old are in two different stages of their life. A 24 year old is old enough to be these things to the 14 year old:

• Her teacher
• Her babysitter
• Her guidance counselor
• Her tutor
• Her Uber car driver

There are other obvious differences that a 14 year old and 24 year old would be experiencing:

• A 24 year old likely has a job; I would be concerned if a 14 year old did beyond volunteer work
• A 14 year old just entered high school within the past year; a 24 year old graduated from high school (hopefully, if he didn't just bullshit his classes) six years ago
• A 14 year old just started puberty recently; a 24 year old entered puberty over ten years ago
• A 24 year old is far more likely to have had at least one, possibly multiple, sexual relationships than a 14 year old
• A 24 year old is most likely legally able to drive; a 14 year old won't even be able to apply to be a legal driver for at least 2 more years
• A 24 year old is able to drink legally; a 14 year old, at least in the U.S., won't be able to for several years
• A 14 year old's brain is still developing at a rapid rate while a 24 year old's brain is very close to its prime
• A 24 year old is likely living independently, or at least is capable of doing so; a 14 year old living independently would be considered alarming

If you honestly think that these would not contribute to a significant difference in maturity, then I consider such a view naive at best.

This is also not mentioning the social and sexual dysfunction that often results from this kind of exposure from an adult. Yes, I get it. Teens can be pretty sexual with each other. But that's just it - they're teens. They're peers. It's expected for peers to talk about things that their peers are experiencing. An adult, however, is expected to be responsible and mature and not think that just because teens are talking about such things that it's an invitation to them to speak with them themselves as if they themselves are adults. Teens are not adults. They are not peers.

If you're really that desperate for eRP or sexual RP in general, there are plenty of willing adults, plenty of peers that Toon could have contacted for that. Hell, he even had a partner he could have done that with. The fact that he chose someone significantly younger than he is rings alarm bells, even if it might not be strictly breaking laws. I'm no lawyer, but I am a person with common sense, and common sense tells me it's really fucking weird for an adult to want sexual things from people who only just stopped being strictly kids two years ago, RP or no.

yes u have labeled alot of differences in the privileges between the 2 ages even threw in standard from the states, but do we know her situation in the philippines remember at age 12 in the philippines any "child" has the privilege to consent to sexual activities whether physical or over the internet,  sure we can say the 14 year old has just started puberty the fun part is puberty doesnt effect or cause mental maturity its a stage of development of the body not the mind, yes she is under the age for driving, guess what i'm 29 i still dont have a license that doesnt effect my mental maturity, the brain is constantly undergoing development well past once u hit adulthood, most of what a adolescent deals with is more based on environmental and hormonal influences, as for having a job 
 

Permissible Work[edit]

Children are allowed to undertake work under certain conditions.^[5]

• A child below 15 years old can be permitted to work if he/she is under supervision by family senior/ parents provided that the child works directly under the sole responsibility of his/her parents or legal guardian and where only members of his/her family are employed.
• The child’s employment does not endangers his/her life, safety, health, and morals, or impairs his/her normal development.
• The parent or legal guardian shall provide the said child with the prescribed primary and/or secondary education.
• The employer first secures a work permit for the child from the Department of Labor and Employment (DOLE).

Children aged 15 to below 18 years of age are permitted to work in any economic activity not considered child labor, but not more than eight (8) hours a day and in no case beyond forty (40) hours a week. They shall not be allowed to work between 10:00 P.M. and 6:00 A.M. of the following day, and employer should provide the child with access to at least elementary and secondary education.^[5] 

 she is 14 years old i wouldn't be surprised based on the screenshots that she is new to sexual relationships.

 

lets see drinking
In the Philippines it is disturbing that due to lenient monitoring and implementation, alcohol such as beer and hard drinks can easily be bought in grocery and convenience stores by teenagers. Our law sets the minimum legal drinking age at 18, nevertheless underage drinking is widespread and prevalent.

u say sexual dysfunction that usually results from this kind of exposure, i believe it has more to do with this incident being spread across social media to be more damaging then a mistake made over skype inprivate, i was 14 once too and what she did was normal i've seen it, its not as damaging as u claim it is more to the contrary i've seen and heard and experienced similar circumstances i will leave names out of it as to respect privacy, she had a bad experience or toon was unable to satisfy her needs, 

highschool vs graduate not really ment on mental maturity for that one other then emphasizing the age gap, high school can either make or break a person on its own without external influences, another comment on the brain developing thing , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodevelopmental_disorder
we cant say this can be ruled out without knowing her medical or his medical background, thats the thing were all assuming she is the standard version of a human from the philippines but many factors determine her situation, her mental capacity, personality, what her homelife is like, is the abuse already in her life, is she disabled in any way is there anything that could affect her mental maturity and brain development prior to contact with toon, or after contact with toon, all environmental influences must be considered to her mental wellbeing before we can consider why she wanted to make this all public.

from a logical standpoint (sally has just had a bad experience with a boy on the internet in private for over a year and is now starting to regret it, so at the end of the year she decides to block him) this is where logic point stops, now illogically (sally tales screenshots of the conversation they have been having for the last year, and sends them to this boy's friends to show how she feels a year after starting the escapade with him, she asks that it doesnt go public, "this is the internet where more people involved means less privacy"  and yet if she didnt want it to go public she wouldnt of shared it to begin with), at this point in time 6 people or more knew of the messages and instead of just going to the authorities about it they decided to confront this person in a recorded skype call with more then just the 6 people seeing and listening in, "this is where it became public" by confronting him u turned it from a serious matter into a social spectacle  which as u have seen is now plastered all over social media, and blown so far out of proportion that the real damage to the community was done by the community. 

yes we can confirm there are differences in appearance, sure mental maturity but it can go both ways toon even tho an adult can be more mentally immature then sally, i'm 29 i have the mental maturity according to my doctors of 12 year old, i do agree with them, so age doesnt really affect maturity, its more about ur body how it developed, environmental influences, and how u grew up, and to state for the record my favorite quote, "grow old is mandatory, growing up is optional".

we can not state that sally is the child in all this we can not state toon is the adult in all this, both roles can easily be reversed, there are many differences between US standards of living and filipino standards of living, there are legal differences, responsibilities, roles, legal ages, privileges, and environmental differences.

as such this topic whether aimed at toon innocence or sally's , will remain and open topic to be discussed as all factors need to be ascertained before a true verdict on ones innocence or mental maturity can be solidified.

[Gestum 2,493]

5 hours ago, Starlight Nova said:

we can not state that sally is the child in all this we can not state toon is the adult in all this,

Yes. We can. Sally is 14, that means that she is legally a child in both countries. Likewise Toon is 24 and thus legally an adult in both Usa and the Phillipines. Perhaps if Toon is so mentally ill that he can not take care of himself you could argue that he wasn't the adult in this situation, but there's nothing that points to that being the case. 

Also being mature for your age doesn't matter. You can be more mature than a 24 year old and you will still legally be a child untill your turn 18.

Edited May 15, 2018 by Gestum

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3 hours ago, Starlight Nova said:

but do we know her situation in the philippines remember at age 12 in the philippines any "child" has the privilege to consent to sexual activities whether physical or over the internet

Expect that cybersex is illegal in the Philippines, epically with a child (which Sally still is regardless of the age of consent). So no, she did not have the privlage to consent to that 

And before you ask, cybersex with minors (which Sally still is, mind you) is illegal in America as well. So even if Toon could only be found guilty under American laws he still committed a crime. 

 

 

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Honestly if you are going to excuse this man's behavior on any level of technicality it speaks a lot about you as a person, just saying. If you are going to pull up every little technicality that you can to try and excuse a 24 year old man having sexually charged conversations with a 14 year old then I am very curious as to what is going on in your own chat windows... I can not see any logical reason to defend this unless you have a personal stake in it or you actually agree with having such conversations with children so young.

Not accusing anyone of anything, but it does make me question the morals of some of the people defending Toon here and certainly would affect if I would be comfortable with said people being in positions where they work with/have power over children...

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13 hours ago, Brawny Hoof said:

This is why I love the internet: In the real world, we have a policy called "Innocent until Proven Guilty."  On the internet, the policy is "Guilty.  Always Guilty."

 

To the contrary with child predators in particular. In real life, pedophiles and people who defend them get eaten alive. There's far less tolerance of them than I see in this thread. That's why the fandom has such a bad reputation in real life. The only times I've ever seen people defend predators like this was a) family or small community situations where people deny because they want to keep their pride, which results in silencing and abusing victims and, of course, more victims because the pedophile is protected or b ) on tumblr where it can be chalked up to the defenders being pedophiles themselves or lack of education. Pedophiles are not victims suffering from a mental illness. They may go to counseling when forced or to boost their public image, but they don't benefit from it. Pedophilia is not a sexuality. They are not attracted to children in the way that you would be attracted to another person. They're predators who prey on children because they like being in a position of power, usually frustrated because they themselves feel weak. They lack a conscience, love, empathy, etc. all the things that would stop a normal person from exploiting minors. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Total Lunar Eclipse

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5 minutes ago, Total Lunar Eclipse said:

To the contrary with child predators in particular. In real life, pedophiles and people who defend them get eaten alive. There's far less tolerance of them than I see in this thread. That's why the fandom has such a bad reputation in real life. The only times I've ever seen people defend predators like this was a) family or small community situations where people deny because they want to keep their pride, which results in silencing and abusing victims and, of course, more victims because the pedophile is protected or b ) on tumblr where it can be chalked up to the defenders being pedophiles themselves or lack of education. Pedophiles are not victims suffering from a mental illness. They may go to counseling when forced or to boost their public image, but they don't benefit from it. Pedophilia is not a sexuality. They are not attracted to children in the way that you would be attracted to another person. They're predators who prey on children because they like being in a position of power, usually frustrated because they themselves feel weak. They lack a conscience, love, empathy, etc. all the things that would stop a normal person from exploiting minors. 

Not to mention "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't really apply here... The guy admitted to it. He admitted his own guilt. There isn't much really to question at this point.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,165]

LOCKING THIS FOR THE TIME BEING

Actually; no. I take that back. The discussion has run it's course and I will not see people defend away Toon's action on a technicality. He's done what he's done; no way around it.

We're done here.