If conflict broke out between Ponies and Humans how would it turn out.

[Kai-rouken 146]

Twilight would solo the human race, low dif at most. 

[Thorgir the Mighty 736]

We have nukes,automatic rifles,tanks,jets,biological weapons,technology,gas weapons,Krav Maga,jets,rocket ships and so on,yet you make a fictional war between us and ponies? The human race is superior to any living thing (except God of Course)

This is a one sided war

humans 98.6% of winning

ponies 2.4% of winning

[Buck Testa 5,505]

13 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

Heheh Kind of reminds me of the 5th Wave

alright ill give that the pones have a lotta power in their hands but if you really look at it we are both kind of glass cannons  

yeah Maud could destroy a fleet of tanks, but its only gonna take one lucky shot by some bozo with a pistol, hell if they threw a brick hard enough it could kill them. 

Also wasn't the time spell destroyed at the end of season 6?

 

I think you're vastly underestimating just how durable these ponies are. We are painfully squishy even in our own animal kingdom. Not saying they're bulletproof, but they're monstrously tough in comparison to us. Four Earth Ponies were shown to be able to pull an entire train as effectively as an engine without seemingly getting tired. With four people you MIGHT be able to slowly push a car to the next gas station.

Here's the thing with Maud getting taken out by a stray bullet. Even if that WERE the case they could fix it. Also imagine for a second

 

Mirror Pool + Maud 

Remember, ONE Maud can take out a fleet of tanks, a stampede of them would be a horror show lol.

[SharpWit 2,682]

16 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

B. How godlike the princesses are. Luna alone has the power to move the moon. That's 3.7x10²⁸  joules of power. 10 billion times stronger than the Tsar bomb. With a range of 238,900 miles. That kind of power can cause an extinction level event across the earth. And that's one princess. 

Yeah but that's assuming their moon is exactly like ours, and that Luna is capable of exerting that power anywhere at anytime on anything. I don't doubt she wields significant power, but remember how if not for Derpy pushing Twilight out of the way, a single unicorn with a broken horn would have defeated them in under a minute.

 

17 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

C. The average pony is far stronger, faster and more durable than the average human. They can lift and carry several tons for at least half an hour. Fly faster than most of our aircraft, if RDs base flight speed is anything to go by. Can walk off falls from buildings or crashes into stone. And of course, magic, weather manipulation, dream walking, cursed artifacts, etc.

That's only applied to rainbow dash and even if the rest of the Wonder Bolts were that fast, they have such small numbers and can't carry heavy payloads or big guns. What use is there in being able to keep up with a jet if you can't take it down?

17 hours ago, Senko said:

I'm sure there'd be quite a few humans lining up to go leave in Equestria simply because it would mean they turn into a pony (pegasi, unicorn or earth) and then of course they'd side with "their species".

The brony fandom is big but not that big. It's miniscule compared to the entirety of the human race, and not every member would want to go through with such a dramatic change.

11 hours ago, An Admirer said:

Cooperating? So ponies might be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with cows and sheeps.

Think of it more as a trade deal. I will provide shelter and food in exchange for you giving me milk/wool in return.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

12 hours ago, Thorgir the Mighty said:

We have nukes,automatic rifles,tanks,jets,biological weapons,technology,gas weapons,Krav Maga,jets,rocket ships and so on,yet you make a fictional war between us and ponies?

Cool, and all of those things are fairly ineffective against a race capable of controlling the weather, raising the moon/sun, dreamwalk, having super strength,  predicting danger via a sixth sense and time travel. And that's not even mentioning the fact that they are allied with a spirit of chaos capable of manipulating reality. 

So you're right in this being a one sided war, but you're mistaken when it comes to which side that would win.

[Rixton 1,105]

4 minutes ago, Yamet said:

Cool, and all of those things are fairly ineffective against a race capable of controlling the weather, raising the moon/sun, dreamwalk, having super strength,  predicting danger via a sixth sense and time travel. And that's not even mentioning the fact that they are allied with a spirit of chaos capable of manipulating reality. 

So you're right in this being a one sided war, but you're mistaken when it comes to which side that would win.

My money would be on the ponies too...just because what you mentioned. And also mention that "Tree".
And just imagine what would happen if some kind of grim-dark ponies would come to take our planet.

[Goat-kun 2,527]

Since people are incapable of using Google I feel compelled to elaborate further. We know that magic tends to diffuse through the portals. Add all non-pone migrants like griffins and dragons who, freed from the curse of Harmony, would begin to prosper in our world. People would begin to experience magic. Black markets would become melting pots of powerful artifacts and ruthless instruments of war. New powers would rise beyond Equestria, wielding magitech and vast knowledge. Our world would change, and so would theirs.

 

You speak of power that equines possess on the battlefield? Even without magic, our war machines are capable of reducing entire cities to ruin. Earth ponies and pegasi would get shredded by shrapnel and bullets. As for unicorns: powerful ones are few, and they need to sleep. Put a gun into a creature's hand and you got yourself a soldier.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

2 hours ago, Rixton said:

My money would be on the ponies too...just because what you mentioned. And also mention that "Tree".

Terribly sorry, but what tree are you talking about? I haven't really watched the show in a long time. 

[Rixton 1,105]

2 minutes ago, Yamet said:

Terribly sorry, but what tree are you talking about? I haven't really watched the show in a long time. 

Ah, sorry. It's the Tree of Harmony, containing those magical elements that can destroy/redeem anything.
The problem is that this is now a talking about technology vs. magic. Somebody say that technology can describe magic, and someone say it cannot, because it's completely different. Maybe the two powers are equal. Who knows?

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Just now, Rixton said:

Ah, sorry. It's the Tree of Harmony, containing those magical elements that can destroy/redeem anything.

Ah, but didn't the season 4 first two episodes end with said elements becoming unusable? 

 

[Rixton 1,105]

6 minutes ago, Yamet said:

Ah, but didn't the season 4 first two episodes end with said elements becoming unusable? 

 

Nope, they were just given back to the tree, so it can re-charge itself and get free from Discord's trolling veins.
I put a spoiler here, because it will be, just in case.
 

Spoiler

Later they use them again with the Pillars, and in the latest episode, Chrysalis tries to get them.

 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Rixton

[Brobot 1,436]

23 hours ago, SharpWit said:

I totally see that happening but you have to remember that they're not familiar with our way of life and various cultures. Their behavior would be seen as suspicious and eventually they'd all be caught.

Keep in mind that was while she had Celestia, Luna, and Cadence's alicorn magic as well. She and Tirek were at the most powerful anyone has ever been throughout the entire show.

Because casting a spell requires you to have a thought and nerve signals travel at 390 feet per second while the average bullet travels 2,500 feet per second. That means a unicorn could cast a single magical attack while a person can empty a few rounds from an automatic weapon. A shield could be put up in time but the impact of the bullets would weaken it and while you can load another clip, the unicorn may not be able to recast the shield.

I put it in quotation marks for a reason

The cows and sheep are sentient and could be cooperating with the ponies. Animals on earth aren't sentient and can't be communicated with the way fluttershy does for practically every creature. Ponies might not understand just how different our world's are and accuse us of dumbing down nature and/or forcing animals to work against their will.

The consumption of meat has never been fully covered in the show beyond fluttershy catching fish to feed to one of her animals, and fish may not be seen on the same level as other species. Although I do think that Griffons include meat in their diet, it hasn't been shown so it's still technically up in the air, and being omnivores, we do have the option of living a vegetarian lifestyle. Equestria also lacks the factory setting of slaughterhouses and animal raising for the meat market which comes off as horrific even to many who love steak just as much as I do.

Ok I agree with you on the Changeling matter and the Twilight one also 

But the problem is your measuring the speed of thought vs the speed of the bullet, which it should be the speed that human can send the message from his brain to the muscles in his trigger finger to pull the trigger, THEN the amount of time the bullet has to travel through the barrel of the gun and the x amount of distance it has to travel before it hits the point. Whereas the pony only has to think a thought and considring its attack/ shield is light based can be almost instant

4 hours ago, Rixton said:

Nope, they were just given back to the tree, so it can re-charge itself and get free from Discord's trolling veins.
I put a spoiler here, because it will be, just in case.
 

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Later they use them again with the Pillars, and in the latest episode, Chrysalis tries to get them.

 

Ah yes the elements, but those only useful against being of evil? I doudt I would vaprise any human you point it at cause, realistic their is good most of us (argh )

12 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

I think you're vastly underestimating just how durable these ponies are. We are painfully squishy even in our own animal kingdom. Not saying they're bulletproof, but they're monstrously tough in comparison to us. Four Earth Ponies were shown to be able to pull an entire train as effectively as an engine without seemingly getting tired. With four people you MIGHT be able to slowly push a car to the next gas station.

Here's the thing with Maud getting taken out by a stray bullet. Even if that WERE the case they could fix it. Also imagine for a second

 

Mirror Pool + Maud 

Remember, ONE Maud can take out a fleet of tanks, a stampede of them would be a horror show lol.

you could still place one or 2 MG a fair distance away from those mauds and it would be D-day all over again

[Denim&Venöm 19,152]

8 hours ago, SharpWit said:

if not for Derpy pushing Twilight out of the way, a single unicorn with a broken horn would have defeated them in under a minute.

A  trained unicorn armed with what amounts to Equestrian kryptonite.  Like saying a sniper with a kryptonite bullet can kill superman. Yes, if you have magical mcguffin to halt the princesses, humans can win. But they don't. 

8 hours ago, SharpWit said:

ven if the rest of the Wonder Bolts were that fast, they have such small numbers and can't carry heavy payloads or big guns. What use is there in being able to keep up with a jet if you can't take it down?

Dodge and take down everything else that isn't as fast? Recon, hit and run, weather manipulation, fly circles around ground vehicles and other sub sonic air craft. 

9 hours ago, SharpWit said:

The brony fandom is big but not that big. It's miniscule compared to the entirety of the human race, and not every member would want to go through with such a dramatic change.

No, not every member. But certainly many more than just us Bronies. Many people want to become more than human, and may would jump at the chance to make that fantasy a reality. besides, no one hates humans more than other humans, and it'd be more likely humans would go pony just to oppose an enemy nation, government or ideology, than owe any loyalty to the broad concept of humanity as a whole.

 

[Senko 459]

Then if you'll forgive me veering this way a moment all those with . . . kinks let us say that while they wouldn't necessarily be interested in my little pony would be interested in being a pony. Veering away from that anyone hoping they might become a pegasus for the ability to fly or a unicorn to use magic. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who for a chance at that would be willing to be transformed. Even if they aren't the flip side also applies since those soldiers who don't want to be a pony are also getting transformed when they go through and having to learn how to handle their new forms.

If we're talking later in the seasons those trained soldiers with their guns running into discords reality alteration would be a slaughter and not by the humans. Machine gun's firing bubbles, body armour turning into clown outfits, anything that actually hits possibly wouldn't do anything given that discords form seems to be more what he feels like at the time than anything you can actuallly hurt. Worst case scenario entire miltiary divisons potentially bansihed to the moon or turned to stone.

Then of course you have ancient evils (Tiax, changelings, discord technically) that the armies might let loose on themselves because they don't know what they're doing. As well as uknown actual upper limits on what ponies are capable of. Remember we see ponyville most but they do have huge modern cities (Manehattan), watermains which require metalworking and water pumping stations (princess spike) and in the alternate reality we even see a bionic working pegasus wing. They seem to have a lower population and closer connection to the natural world than humanity but there's a reasonable possibility they could produce tanks/jets/etc but haven't because they aren't that warlike or possibly they didn't work when deployed. Take the wedding of Cranky and Muriel where doc is complaining that science is so frustrating because every time he thinks he's come up with something new someone duplicates it with a simple spell.

All of which assumes these portals are permanent/stable enough for large armies, aircraft etc to be moved between worlds rather than randomly opening and closing so you can only move small forces through.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Senko

[SharpWit 2,682]

2 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

But the problem is your measuring the speed of thought vs the speed of the bullet, which it should be the speed that human can send the message from his brain to the muscles in his trigger finger to pull the trigger, THEN the amount of time the bullet has to travel through the barrel of the gun and the x amount of distance it has to travel before it hits the point. Whereas the pony only has to think a thought and considring its attack/ shield is light based can be almost instant

Both take the same amount of time to follow through on an action, but that's for a unicorn to cast one spell, and for a person to pull the trigger on a weapon that is set up to fire multiple rounds after the initial shot.

2 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

A  trained unicorn armed with what amounts to Equestrian kryptonite.  Like saying a sniper with a kryptonite bullet can kill superman. Yes, if you have magical mcguffin to halt the princesses, humans can win. But they don't. 

It was essentially a grenade that turns you into stone. Not far fetched by any means in the world of MLP so it shouldn't be compared to kryptonite.

2 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Dodge and take down everything else that isn't as fast? Recon, hit and run, weather manipulation, fly circles around ground vehicles and other sub sonic air craft. 

How is a pony going to take down a military jet? Wind hardly effects them because they're moving so fast that it's negligible. They're designed to take on lightning strikes, and some even perform better in conditions where there's a lot of water in the air. The only two things pegasi can do against military aircraft is create low visibility with dense clouds and cause damage by making hail storms, but these can be detected by forces on the ground and alert pilots to reroute before they are in harms way. This wouldn't even be possible because it would take several pegasi to do this on a large enough scale to achieve any form of success, and they'd have to secure air superiority which they aren't able to do within the human world.

Maybe rainbow dash and a handful of others are fast enough that they could attempt lobbing some hard object into the engine intake, but while they're trying to do that, an accompanying jet is hot on their tail, and enough could be scrambled to take them out, resulting in Equestria losing it's elite flying force with the first two air battles.

3 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

No, not every member. But certainly many more than just us Bronies. Many people want to become more than human, and may would jump at the chance to make that fantasy a reality. besides, no one hates humans more than other humans, and it'd be more likely humans would go pony just to oppose an enemy nation, government or ideology, than owe any loyalty to the broad concept of humanity as a whole.

if we're being generous there are maybe 20 million people in the world who identify as bronies, and I'm going to say that only half of the fandom would be willing to give up all the luxuries that come with being a human, such as modern technology, healthcare, governments that although we may disagree with members of have systems in place that keep us relatively safe and have a generally good reputation for preventing conflict from reaching the home front and affecting the everyday lives of civilians, a national identity and culture, immense dietary options, oh and the use of hands, just to name a few of the wonderful essentials that are taken for granted. So 10 million people might be willing to give up humanity for ponydom. No one outside the fandom would express interest in permanently switching over unless their lives were so utterly bad that this was the chance of improvement, they were an anarchist who just wants to take down existing systems and see fighting alongside ponies as a means to do this, or are just flat out insane.

I think most people would resort to forming rebel cells against an enemy nation if theirs has been conquered or collapsed, before they choose to join ponies because that means giving up who they are and conforming to just another system, which isn't much better than surrendering to the will of your enemy. The closest you'd get would be a refugee situation but even then they will do whatever they can to preserve their way of life which may not align with equine societal standards.

There's also the fact, that just because you choose to side with ponies, doesn't mean they'll accept you.

[Brobot 1,436]

@SharpWit

So you really think under any circumstance that pony could be victorious?

I know I said earlier that the princess could only control the sun/moon and their world and Discord wasn't allowed. But I kind of want to humor the idea, cause now I think I nerfed the ponies way to much to stand up with humanity.

 

 

Also we have now idea the amount or effects of spell that equestria has that could be suited for war, if twilight could make her friends walk on clouds for a day, imagine what the whole able-bodied population of equestria could do. They could make the whole army invincible.

 

[Luna's Admirer 945]

Just a thought came to mind. In episode "May the best pet wins" Rainbow dash clearly mentioned about her pet turtle that "He's unstopable. He's... like a... Tank." 

That makes me wonder do they have tanks in their world.

Also while singing Rainbow also mentioned "fast as a bullete". 

[Rixton 1,105]

Sombra had that mind controll mask. Only a fiew human needed to be captured with potentional information, and humans won't have that technological superiority.

[Senko 459]

1 hour ago, An Admirer said:

Just a thought came to mind. In episode "May the best pet wins" Rainbow dash clearly mentioned about her pet turtle that "He's unstopable. He's... like a... Tank." 

That makes me wonder do they have tanks in their world.

Also while singing Rainbow also mentioned "fast as a bullete". 

Like I said there's lots of indications that they have technology pretty comparable to ours its just that they are generally so nice they only seem to have law enforcement officers in a few frontier towns and the royal armies. On the other hoof though we really only see glimpses of their world outside of Ponyville so we really don't know what kind of permanent establishement they have for this kind of situations or in the big cities. There could well be entire police stations and army barracks like the wonderbolts accademy that we either don't see or see a brief glimpse of the army reserve or rotc training centers.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Senko

[SharpWit 2,682]

7 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

So you really think under any circumstance that pony could be victorious?

If they can stall/slow the invasion by the humans long enough to get a war economy up and going, then they have a chance to defend themselves. Otherwise they're screwed.

8 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

I know I said earlier that the princess could only control the sun/moon and their world and Discord wasn't allowed. But I kind of want to humor the idea, cause now I think I nerfed the ponies way to much to stand up with humanity.

Let's ignore just halting the earth's rotation and setting half the world permanently to night and the other to day because everything is dead within a month in that scenario.

However, Luna could flood coast lines and rivers connecting to the ocean by shifting the moon around and this would divert resources from war to humanitarian efforts and rebuilding infrastructure. Celestia might be able to increase the temperature in some areas, causing some droughts and famine. Discord could turn our tanks into giant balloon animals. He's powerful but he's not all powerful. He can be distracted and so long as Fluttershy is fine he's got nothing to lose in this. At most I see him defending Ponyville but leaving everything else up to chance because for the most part he's chaotic, but he's also neutral. Maybe he'd slither through a battlefield using his silly tricks to divert a safe path to some human leaders allowing a pony envoy to get through and try negotiating.

8 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

Also we have now idea the amount or effects of spell that equestria has that could be suited for war, if twilight could make her friends walk on clouds for a day, imagine what the whole able-bodied population of equestria could do. They could make the whole army invincible.

As far as magical potential for use in combat, I think the alternate timeline where King Sombra maintains control over the Crystal Empire is where we see its peak. He's the only one who has to survive to keep the fight going which is useful if you can make yourself a difficult target, and can just keep sending more ponies to the battlefield without too much concern for loss of life. If Equestria couldn't handle that and Equestria has the most potential for achieving victory, then I think they're screwed. If they had a generation to prepare an army of unicorns as proficient as Sunburst or Starlight, then magic could play a major role, but most unicorns appear to only have basic telekinesis and a few spells that coordinate with their special talent.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Here's another big question that could decide matters. Why are they fighting? 

What circumstances led to war between humans and ponies? Cause here's the thing, I don't think such a war would be popular with the general public. I'm not even talking just bronies here either. You would need some major war propoganda to make people think these big eyed pastel colored aliens are the enemy. Especially when ponies like Twilight would definitely try to speak at the UN and try to get her friendship ministry going. 

I could see religious people thinking they're the spawn of Satan or something, proclaiming them as a sign of the end times. Considering how many of them hold office, that could be a way it could go down. 

The resource thing could be another, however Equestria would just as easily make trade deals with humans. 

The reason I speculate is because war happen for complicated reasons, and depending on the circumstances of the conflict it could change the outcome. The US was a superior military force to Vietnam, but their morale was so low and the war so hated that it is considered a loss. They were clearly the invaders, attacking people who posed no threat, and it destroyed their resolve. 

So while both sides have compelling arguments on who'd win, the real question is what circumstances led to the conflict, and given those circumstances, who would have the most resolve to win?

I do think humans would be the instigators, but I think there would be even more humans against it. I also think the Princesses would make compelling arguments to end the war through deplomacy. 

[Rixton 1,105]

55 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

...I do think humans would be the instigators...

The why is a good and important question. I humans somehow manage to enter the world of magic, it must have happen in military level, without informing the public. Many human I believe would see only the power there of magic (or...what to call it...), and there is a great possibility to that they would try to adopt it for their own superiority. It's a human nature that "I have to be the strongest".  And human laws do not apply to any alien race, they could do with them what they want: kidnap, put them into a lab for experiments...etc. Or maybe I'm too negative, I don't know.

[Thorgir the Mighty 736]

This is a fictional fight,do that means we have...

The Avengers

The Justice League (they suck)

Hitman

Xmen

Tom Cruise

John Wick

Chuck Norris

Random Superpowered Beings

and a lot more

99.8% for humans

00.2% for ponies

 

 

[Luna's Admirer 945]

On Tue Jun 12 2018 at 9:17 PM, Thorgir the Mighty said:

This is a fictional fight,do that means we have...

The Avengers

The Justice League (they suck)

Hitman

Xmen

Tom Cruise

John Wick

Chuck Norris

Random Superpowered Beings

and a lot more

99.8% for humans

00.2% for ponies

 

 

You know that would mean that fictional characters from Pony world will also be in the fight.

Power Ponies 

Gusty the Great

And I believe countless more

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

1 hour ago, Thorgir the Mighty said:

This is a fictional fight,do that means we have...

No, it doesn't work that way.  In this scenario the fight is between the real world's  military vs the ponies. Therefore humans haven't acsess to the fictional people you mentioned. 

Besides, if we used that logic, the ponies would have acsess to every OC the fandom has created which makes the battle even more in their favor.