If conflict broke out between Ponies and Humans how would it turn out.

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Ok im betting a million other people have done this before but I'm a fairly new brony and I wanna hear everyone's opinion on this 

Ok first off let me set up this hypothetical: The way of travel between equstria and earth are numerous portals randomly strewed through equstria and earth respectively, but the mains ones are as follows (I am basing this off of my opinion and puns made by the show)I will to give a portal to each continent.  

Washington D.C connects with Ponyville 

London connects with Cantorlot 

The Crystal Empire connects with Moscow

Luxor, Egypt connects with Somnambulas village

the Tenochtitlan Basin is connected to the Amazon jungle (somewhere random)

There and places like Winneapolis and Blatimare that match up with their respective counterparts.(feel free to give me better ideas!)

Lets say that our world has no Nuclear devices, only conventional weapons.

Also Luna and Celestial and only control the moon/sun in equestria so that they don't just send their namesakes careening into us.

How would you all thing this would work? how would conflict break out if at all? what is the outcome?

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by woodchunks66

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Crystal empire = Canada

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@Kevin_Tang

What's your reasoning? Not saying that's not a good idea , just wanna see why you made that connection 

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Just now, woodchunks66 said:

@Kevin_Tang

What's your reasoning? Not saying that's not a good idea , just wanna see why you made that connection 

Equestria = USA

Crystal empire is on the north of Equestria. Canada is on the north of USA.

Snow everyday in the crystal empire. Snow almost everyday in Canada.

Conclusion :

Crystal empire = Canada

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2 minutes ago, Kevin_Tang said:

Equestria = USA

Crystal empire is on the north of Equestria. Canada is on the north of USA.

Snow everyday in the crystal empire. Snow almost everyday in Canada.

Conclusion :

Crystal empire = Canada

Snow every day in Russia also, but you have to admit that it would be much more politicly interesting if the US and Russia both had their own gateways into Equstria 

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May I know what do you mean conventional weapons?

Also, what's up with the conflict without any reason?

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8 minutes ago, Kevin_Tang said:

May I know what do you mean conventional weapons?

Also, what's up with the conflict without any reason?

By conventional weapons I mean guns tanks planes, not like intercontinental missiles or chemical weapons. Think world war I or II without the mustard gas or nukes

I was actually wasn't sure about how the conflict would take place, I was hoping that the pones in the thread would give me some ideas

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Initially it would be pretty bad for the ponies cause humans are a callous, ruthless, greedy, vile lot when it comes to warfare. The ponies are currently shown to have very underdeveloped military forces that can be toppled pretty easily, and the princesses are rather easy to capture as well.

However, if the ponies got their act together after that, they'd kick humanities ass. They are significantly stronger, more durable, faster, and have access to a wide variety of abilities we have no counters for, including time travel. There are also humans who'd gladly join with Equestria to fight back. Don't even give me that "turning your back on your own people" nonsense either, you and I both know humans would be the instigators in a war between the two. Probably to look for Oil or experiment on ponies.

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One word:: Shadowrun.

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7 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

Snow every day in Russia also, but you have to admit that it would be much more politicly interesting if the US and Russia both had their own gateways into Equstria 

The fact that Yakyakistan is visible on the map is a major pain because IRL it should be on the otherside of the world where Mongolia is which would mean that from northern Canada, across the artic ocean and for a majority of Russia, you would have what consists of the Frozen North.

The portals would immediately be secured or blocked off and these will severely limit war capabilities. Every entry point is also a choke point that limits how much man and fire power can be maneuvered. The size of the portal is also important. If we're talking ones like the mirror portal in Equestria Girls, then vehicles and aircraft can't be utilized unless what parts can be brought through are and assembled on the other side. But that would require taking control of a sizeable portion of land, setting up base with an assembly line, and it just becomes too much of a hassle, you throw too many resources into a vulnerable situation.

Maybe some missile launchers could make it through, but the most fire power you're going to get will be from what you can carry so mostly rocket launchers. The only vehicle that could be used in large capacity would be a motorcycle with a side care attachment and a mounted machine gun. Some Artillery could be brought through, probably up to the 5 inch guns, but I'd expect to see a heavier use of mortars. We could attempt sending in small drones, most that fit would be for surveillance or kamikaze missions but ones cold be developed to launch small missiles or even carry machine guns for dog fights. Control of the sky would be difficult to obtain though. Boats would all be very small, likely just rafts of varying types.

The problem with this question is that Equestria and the world it's in doesn't have very much going on in weapons development right now. They have the potential to reach 1930's era weaponry with relative ease but they're way behind at the moment which gives any Human invaders the advantage. So it becomes a question of time really. Normally Humans can blast ponies out of existence with ease, but they can only send in so many troops and supplies at a time, which makes taking a vast country very difficult. If the ponies can get a war economy rolling before they lose too much land, they might be able to push the enemy all the way back to the portals and defend their land. However they would never stand a chance trying to come through to our side.

This war could be started by simple miscommunication or disagreements in ideology. Chancellor Neighsay isn't unique in his opinion of non-pony species, he's just more upfront about it. Any number of insults and lack of cooperation could result in raised tensions. I think even countries with what we consider weak militaries are capable of going up against ponies and with so many differences between people, it'd be like throwing a lit match into a box of fire crackers and guessing which one will ignite first. Plus Equestria is full or resources that other countries may want to jump at.

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4 hours ago, SharpWit said:

The fact that Yakyakistan is visible on the map is a major pain because IRL it should be on the otherside of the world where Mongolia is which would mean that from northern Canada, across the artic ocean and for a majority of Russia, you would have what consists of the Frozen North.

The portals would immediately be secured or blocked off and these will severely limit war capabilities. Every entry point is also a choke point that limits how much man and fire power can be maneuvered. The size of the portal is also important. If we're talking ones like the mirror portal in Equestria Girls, then vehicles and aircraft can't be utilized unless what parts can be brought through are and assembled on the other side. But that would require taking control of a sizeable portion of land, setting up base with an assembly line, and it just becomes too much of a hassle, you throw too many resources into a vulnerable situation.

Maybe some missile launchers could make it through, but the most fire power you're going to get will be from what you can carry so mostly rocket launchers. The only vehicle that could be used in large capacity would be a motorcycle with a side care attachment and a mounted machine gun. Some Artillery could be brought through, probably up to the 5 inch guns, but I'd expect to see a heavier use of mortars. We could attempt sending in small drones, most that fit would be for surveillance or kamikaze missions but ones cold be developed to launch small missiles or even carry machine guns for dog fights. Control of the sky would be difficult to obtain though. Boats would all be very small, likely just rafts of varying types.

The problem with this question is that Equestria and the world it's in doesn't have very much going on in weapons development right now. They have the potential to reach 1930's era weaponry with relative ease but they're way behind at the moment which gives any Human invaders the advantage. So it becomes a question of time really. Normally Humans can blast ponies out of existence with ease, but they can only send in so many troops and supplies at a time, which makes taking a vast country very difficult. If the ponies can get a war economy rolling before they lose too much land, they might be able to push the enemy all the way back to the portals and defend their land. However they would never stand a chance trying to come through to our side.

This war could be started by simple miscommunication or disagreements in ideology. Chancellor Neighsay isn't unique in his opinion of non-pony species, he's just more upfront about it. Any number of insults and lack of cooperation could result in raised tensions. I think even countries with what we consider weak militaries are capable of going up against ponies and with so many differences between people, it'd be like throwing a lit match into a box of fire crackers and guessing which one will ignite first. Plus Equestria is full or resources that other countries may want to jump at.

Alrighty to answer how big the portals are I'm going to say about the size to allow a AFV through (Armored Fighting Vehicle) but nothin like a tank. 

So you don't believe that ponies are not gonna gain any ground on earth? Ok ok for the sake of argument lets say all the different species and villains (not including discord) of equstria combine to form a super nation to fight off/conquer the human invade (this includes Yaks Hippogriffs Dragon Changelings). King Sombra could use mind control, The Dragon lord could literally devastate city's and so on.

As for the reason of conflict I would like to know what would seem to be the most realistic approach given our current world leaders and standing

6 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

Initially it would be pretty bad for the ponies cause humans are a callous, ruthless, greedy, vile lot when it comes to warfare. The ponies are currently shown to have very underdeveloped military forces that can be toppled pretty easily, and the princesses are rather easy to capture as well.

However, if the ponies got their act together after that, they'd kick humanities ass. They are significantly stronger, more durable, faster, and have access to a wide variety of abilities we have no counters for, including time travel. There are also humans who'd gladly join with Equestria to fight back. Don't even give me that "turning your back on your own people" nonsense either, you and I both know humans would be the instigators in a war between the two. Probably to look for Oil or experiment on ponies.

I would say that their reliance on magic has made then less intelligent then humans as a whole, Humans have been fighting wars for as long as we have been around. Ponies just wait for their princess to solve the problem, might take them a while to get their act together.

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1 hour ago, woodchunks66 said:

Alrighty to answer how big the portals are I'm going to say about the size to allow a AFV through (Armored Fighting Vehicle) but nothin like a tank. 

Not specific enough. There's a lot of vehicles that are very different in roles but similar in size.

1 hour ago, woodchunks66 said:

So you don't believe that ponies are not gonna gain any ground on earth? Ok ok for the sake of argument lets say all the different species and villains (not including discord) of equstria combine to form a super nation to fight off/conquer the human invade (this includes Yaks Hippogriffs Dragon Changelings). King Sombra could use mind control, The Dragon lord could literally devastate city's and so on.

Modern firearms can take down enemies faster than magic can, and there's always one big enough to take down whatever is charging at you. The moment a conflict erupts, every portal will be targeted. The ponies and their allies will be cut off from additional support and supplies. Sombra first would have to sneak through and capture people, then somehow stay hidden in a location where there's enough of a barrier to protect him from any counterstrikes. The Dragon lord could cause a lot of devastation, but he's a large target and will be taken down quickly. Changelings have the best chance because they could hide among people, but they would be discovered fairly quickly I think, and could only organize attacks in small groups.

This isn't like how the Soviets turned back the tide of WW2 by throwing an endless stream of armed men at the enemy. If they sent all those men up to fight without guns, they would have been mowed down, and we'd have a Union of National Socialist Republics.

1 hour ago, woodchunks66 said:

As for the reason of conflict I would like to know what would seem to be the most realistic approach given our current world leaders and standing

Maybe magic isn't permitted to be used in the human world, no flight zones are established for pegasi, Equestria doesn't cooperate in enforcing these rules, their's racial tensions between the species, Humans are viewed as sick for "enslaving animals" and consuming meat, a friendship problem arises and rather than solve it humans would prefer to kill one another and Celestia intervenes and this causes an interdimensional incident, there's no respect for world leaders and their laws. Any number of things could lead to war.

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28 minutes ago, SharpWit said:

Not specific enough. There's a lot of vehicles that are very different in roles but similar in size.

Modern firearms can take down enemies faster than magic can, and there's always one big enough to take down whatever is charging at you. The moment a conflict erupts, every portal will be targeted. The ponies and their allies will be cut off from additional support and supplies. Sombra first would have to sneak through and capture people, then somehow stay hidden in a location where there's enough of a barrier to protect him from any counterstrikes. The Dragon lord could cause a lot of devastation, but he's a large target and will be taken down quickly. Changelings have the best chance because they could hide among people, but they would be discovered fairly quickly I think, and could only organize attacks in small groups.

This isn't like how the Soviets turned back the tide of WW2 by throwing an endless stream of armed men at the enemy. If they sent all those men up to fight without guns, they would have been mowed down, and we'd have a Union of National Socialist Republics.

Maybe magic isn't permitted to be used in the human world, no flight zones are established for pegasi, Equestria doesn't cooperate in enforcing these rules, their's racial tensions between the species, Humans are viewed as sick for "enslaving animals" and consuming meat, a friendship problem arises and rather than solve it humans would prefer to kill one another and Celestia intervenes and this causes an interdimensional incident, there's no respect for world leaders and their laws. Any number of things could lead to war.

For the portal I was thinking of a large Humvee with a MG on top

I think you are underestimating the Changelings. I can see them as having a terrorist/ guerilla warfare type approach witch can be pretty devastating considering the changelings numbers and...well changing ability's. 

Also Twilight could just do this again

Keep in mind that she was sent through a mountain and was unfazed (add with tireks headbutt is over 8 million newtons of force….got that from Deathbattle)

Also why would gun be faster then magic, some spell could literally take effect instantly 

Edited June 10, 2018 by woodchunks66

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25 minutes ago, SharpWit said:

Humans are viewed as sick for "enslaving animals" and consuming meat,

Humans don't enslave animals my dear friend. They're kept as pet, beast of burdens, or used for things like riding, or eating. 

 

I've seen Applejack keeping sheeps and cows at her farm. Keeping animal isn't an equivivalent to enslaving them. Enslaving in generalize term means, one sentient being making other sentient being its slave.

 

We're omnivore. Griffins are carnivore and maybe slightly ominvore as well (don't believe me, have you seen Griffin the brush of). Meat eating can't be seen as sick behaviour niether keeping animals. Humans and ponies both do keep animals.

As for conflict, I'm going with the ponies. They've a better chance to win against us due to many advantages.

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2 minutes ago, An Admirer said:

 

Humans don't enslave animals my dear friend. They're kept as pet, beast of burdens, or used for things like riding, or eating. 

 

I've seen Applejack keeping sheeps and cows at her farm. Keeping animal isn't an equivivalent to enslaving them. Enslaving in generalize term means, one sentient being making other sentient being its slave.

 

We're omnivore. Griffins are carnivore and maybe slightly ominvore as well (don't believe me, have you seen Griffin the brush of). Meat eating can't be seen as sick behaviour niether keeping animals. Humans and ponies both do keep animals.

As for conflict, I'm going with the ponies. They've a better chance to win against us due to many advantages.

Advantages such as...….?

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2 minutes ago, woodchunks66 said:

Advantages such as...….?

Being quite clear ponies are more united and harmonized than humans. They all live under the rule of same rulers. Plus unicorn's magic (you know, teleporting, transfiguration, and such) plus super sonic speed and amazing strength of pegasi plus earth ponies incredible strength plus a pretty good strategy and boom despite all advanced technology humans are going to lose.

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2 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

 

I would say that their reliance on magic has made then less intelligent then humans as a whole, Humans have been fighting wars for as long as we have been around. Ponies just wait for their princess to solve the problem, might take them a while to get their act together.

Less intelligent isn't quite right. It's quite clear at least a few of them are geniuses. No a more apt word for Equestrians is Niave. Humans had evolved from pack hunters. We have been hunting and at war before we were even Homo sapiens. The only way a human is ignorant to the realities of war is if they lived an absolute sheltered life. 

Ponies are herd animals. Herbivores. If they evolved like we did they likely developed radically different priorities because of how they are. They would view military forces as more of a necessity than a way of life, which explains why they have such an underwelming military presence. Heard mentality is much less alpha and violent than pack mentality. 

However, if they were to make a serious effort against humanity, we'd be screwed. As adept as we are at warfare, we are talking creatures who can basically alter reality and time itself. In a one on one fight, our strongest human could not beat an average pony in a fight. A normal horse can kill us with a kick, and these ponies are multiple times stronger than that. Someone like Maud could utterly decimate a fleet of tanks all by her lonesome. You cannot beat an opponent who could simply undue your victory by going back in time and counter your plans before you think of them.

 

Then you have to take into account that they have powerful allies like Dragons and Changelings who ARE adept at warfare. Changelings could easily infiltrate human ranks and sabotage their efforts. 

If they got over the initial shock of how brutal humans are and really made an effort to fight back, they'd steamroll us.

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9 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

Less intelligent isn't quite right. It's quite clear at least a few of them are geniuses. No a more apt word for Equestrians is Niave. Humans had evolved from pack hunters. We have been hunting and at war before we were even Homo sapiens. The only way a human is ignorant to the realities of war is if they lived an absolute sheltered life. 

Ponies are herd animals. Herbivores. If they evolved like we did they likely developed radically different priorities because of how they are. They would view military forces as more of a necessity than a way of life, which explains why they have such an underwelming military presence. Heard mentality is much less alpha and violent than pack mentality. 

However, if they were to make a serious effort against humanity, we'd be screwed. As adept as we are at warfare, we are talking creatures who can basically alter reality and time itself. In a one on one fight, our strongest human could not beat an average pony in a fight. A normal horse can kill us with a kick, and these ponies are multiple times stronger than that. Someone like Maud could utterly decimate a fleet of tanks all by her lonesome. You cannot beat an opponent who could simply undue your victory by going back in time and countering you. 

 

Then you have to take into account that they have powerful allies like Dragons and Changelings who ARE adept at warfare. Changelings could easily infiltrate human ranks and sabotage their efforts. 

If they got over the initial shock of how brutal humans are and really made an effort to fight back, they'd steamroll us.

Heheh Kind of reminds me of the 5th Wave

alright ill give that the pones have a lotta power in their hands but if you really look at it we are both kind of glass cannons  

yeah Maud could destroy a fleet of tanks, but its only gonna take one lucky shot by some bozo with a pistol, hell if they threw a brick hard enough it could kill them. 

Also wasn't the time spell destroyed at the end of season 6?

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by woodchunks66

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2 minutes ago, woodchunks66 said:

Heheh Kind of reminds me of the 5th Wave

alright ill give that the pones have a lotta power in their hands but if you really look at it we are both kind of glass cannons  

yeah Maud could destroy a fleet of tanks, but its only gonna take one lucky shot by some bozo with a pistol, hell if they threw a brick hard enough it could kill them. 

 

Same with the humans dude. One powerful blast of magic by Solar or Lunar Princess can easily kill a human. Not to mention dragon's fire breath.

Ponies can throw stuff as well you know.

Edited June 10, 2018 by An Admirer

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4 minutes ago, An Admirer said:

Same with the humans dude. One powerful blast of magic by Solar or Lunar Princess can easily kill a human. Not to mention dragon's fire breath.

Ponies can throw stuff as well you know.

The thing is I fee like we are talking about this like all the ponies and all the humans are gonna line up in one big field and charge but its most likely not gonna be like that, Urban and guerilla warfare is gonna be a big part, 

Also if this hypothetical allowed nukes would it change the outcome?

Edited June 10, 2018 by woodchunks66

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3 minutes ago, woodchunks66 said:

The thing is I fee like we are talking about this like all the ponies and all the humans are gonna line up in one big field and charge but its most likely not gonna be like that, Urban and guerilla warfare is gonna be a big part, 

Also if this hypothetical allowed nukes would it change the outcome?

Then I'm quiet lost here. You mean humans and ponies are now officially enemies of each other. 

'Cause that's what's it look like with that point of view. 

That'd be more than I can handle. So I better leave this thread.

(No offense to your idea but I just don't wanna think that way. With respect to all, Farewell)

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Ponies. If there had to be a winner. 

A. Humanity has no defense against magic, curses or other supernatural phenomena. 

B. How godlike the princesses are. Luna alone has the power to move the moon. That's 3.7x10²⁸  joules of power. 10 billion times stronger than the Tsar bomb. With a range of 238,900 miles. That kind of power can cause an extinction level event across the earth. And that's one princess. 

C. The average pony is far stronger, faster and more durable than the average human. They can lift and carry several tons for at least half an hour. Fly faster than most of our aircraft, if RDs base flight speed is anything to go by. Can walk off falls from buildings or crashes into stone. And of course, magic, weather manipulation, dream walking, cursed artifacts, etc.

 

But realistically, the war would end before it began.

D. Earth and Equestria maybe enemies, but that doesn't mean either would want all out war. Look at the cold war. USA and USSR hated eachother. But both knew an all out conflict would benefit no one. Extreme costs with little gain. Plus it would've been a logistical nightmare. Neither side would make a move due to how heavily defended each choke point of a portal would be. Effectively the lands around each side of the portals would become demilitarized zones. Only the suicidal and foolhardy would try to make a full frontal assault through any of them.

E. There is no strategic way for either side to win. Neither side will have knowledge of the others homeland, and be fighting the wrong side of a defensive war with little to no reinforcement or reliable supply lines. 

 

It'd probably be something akin to the present Korean war. A never ending ceasefire. Whomever makes the first move is the one to loose. 

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Denim&Venom

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Leaving aside for a moment all the issues with pony powers and the fact they seem so durable I'm not sure bullets would actually work (Applejack has a rock almost as big as her fall on her head and her response is heh only Pinky could hide a present on a moving train). There's the way portals work as shown in Equestria girls which would be a huge issue to this war that is to say if you go through you turn into the other species. Which would mean you'd get this kind of situation human with gun, body armour and full battle gear charges through portal. Pony drops gun from their new hooves not knowing how to hold it, trips over their own legs and falls flat on their face. Then spends the time trying to figure out why they're fighting a war against what could very well be humans as they turn into that when they cross back over.

I'm sure there'd be quite a few humans lining up to go leave in Equestria simply because it would mean they turn into a pony (pegasi, unicorn or earth) and then of course they'd side with "their species".

Finally and on another note I wonder what Australia would link too?

Edited June 11, 2018 by Senko

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2 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

I think you are underestimating the Changelings. I can see them as having a terrorist/ guerilla warfare type approach witch can be pretty devastating considering the changelings numbers and...well changing ability's. 

I totally see that happening but you have to remember that they're not familiar with our way of life and various cultures. Their behavior would be seen as suspicious and eventually they'd all be caught.

2 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

Keep in mind that she was sent through a mountain and was unfazed

Keep in mind that was while she had Celestia, Luna, and Cadence's alicorn magic as well. She and Tirek were at the most powerful anyone has ever been throughout the entire show.

2 hours ago, woodchunks66 said:

Also why would gun be faster then magic, some spell could literally take effect instantly 

Because casting a spell requires you to have a thought and nerve signals travel at 390 feet per second while the average bullet travels 2,500 feet per second. That means a unicorn could cast a single magical attack while a person can empty a few rounds from an automatic weapon. A shield could be put up in time but the impact of the bullets would weaken it and while you can load another clip, the unicorn may not be able to recast the shield.

2 hours ago, An Admirer said:

Humans don't enslave animals my dear friend. They're kept as pet, beast of burdens, or used for things like riding, or eating.

I put it in quotation marks for a reason

2 hours ago, An Admirer said:

I've seen Applejack keeping sheeps and cows at her farm. Keeping animal isn't an equivivalent to enslaving them. Enslaving in generalize term means, one sentient being making other sentient being its slave.

The cows and sheep are sentient and could be cooperating with the ponies. Animals on earth aren't sentient and can't be communicated with the way fluttershy does for practically every creature. Ponies might not understand just how different our world's are and accuse us of dumbing down nature and/or forcing animals to work against their will.

2 hours ago, An Admirer said:

We're omnivore. Griffins are carnivore and maybe slightly ominvore as well (don't believe me, have you seen Griffin the brush of). Meat eating can't be seen as sick behaviour niether keeping animals. Humans and ponies both do keep animals.

The consumption of meat has never been fully covered in the show beyond fluttershy catching fish to feed to one of her animals, and fish may not be seen on the same level as other species. Although I do think that Griffons include meat in their diet, it hasn't been shown so it's still technically up in the air, and being omnivores, we do have the option of living a vegetarian lifestyle. Equestria also lacks the factory setting of slaughterhouses and animal raising for the meat market which comes off as horrific even to many who love steak just as much as I do.

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3 hours ago, SharpWit said:

The cows and sheep are sentient and could be cooperating with the ponies. Animals on earth aren't sentient and can't be communicated with the way fluttershy does for practically every creature. Ponies might not understand just how different our world's are and accuse us of dumbing down nature and/or forcing animals to work against their will.

The consumption of meat has never been fully covered in the show beyond fluttershy catching fish to feed to one of her animals, and fish may not be seen on the same level as other species. Although I do think that Griffons include meat in their diet, it hasn't been shown so it's still technically up in the air, and being omnivores, we do have the option of living a vegetarian lifestyle. Equestria also lacks the factory setting of slaughterhouses and animal raising for the meat market which comes off as horrific even to many who love steak just as much as I do.

Cooperating? So ponies might be in some kind of symbiotic relationship with cows and sheeps.

 Okay... but still not everypony can communicate with non-sentient creatutes like Fluttershy does not everypony cares about them the same way.

Planet earth also have animal sanctuary like Equestria does.

And finally a place where animals are raised as food the I think Griffins do this but as it's a kid's show so it's not shown openly.

And slaughter house factories, yeah that's just cruel. I agree.

 

Edited June 11, 2018 by An Admirer