Do you think that the pony world is as complex as ours?

[Unity 332]

So first off, please dont just say I am just thinking anything and that this is irrelevant, if you are going to say that please just dont reply.

So do you think that Equestria and the world that it belongs to is as complex as human earth? I am talking about things like astral physics and galaxies n shit. Do you think that their world behaves like ours physically with gravity and space?

We have already seen that if their moon or sun were to not rise then there planet would not exactly fall apart like ours would.

Do you think it is a bit of a mix match because of their magic?

Do you think what lies in theirbubicerse is an actual universe with trillions of light years of space and other planets or is it just limited to their planet and a few more if that?

Edited August 3, 2018 by Unity

[BlinkZ 1,151]

We love mlp lore and world building but we do tend to expand on things that were never really intended by writers or company. Afterall its' just a show to sell toys with good writing. Of course, fanfiction can sometimes make the show look even better because headcanons. So in short, it might be complex...but for the sake of the kiddies ther no real 'on screen' sources of such complexity 

[Thrond 3,263]

Probably not, because it’s not real and was designed for a kids’ show that exists to sell toys. 

[Princess_Bellalatanya 1,053]

Probably not,most things seem pretty simple for a land of ponies and other various creatures with unique culture

[Luigi 7,870]

I don't think real science has to apply to a fictional world like Equestria.

[Will Guide 21,364]

It's a world where the sun and moon have to be manually moved by Magic. It's never going to be as complex as real life Earth. Even the Equestria Girls world, while featuring more mundane problems you'd see in reality, still has fantastical elements and cartoon logic that keeps it from being an exact copy of our real  world.

[CheeryFox 23,822]

Probably not...on the other hand...we'd need to visit their realm. 

[Jedishy 3,549]

Well considering there is space, other planes of existence, the study of magic and science all shown in the show Id say it is. Have they expanded on these things? Nope not really. But there are enough hints at it to have a fairly good guess that its just as complex but we have not gotten to see it. That is why I think the show can go on for a good while with the unexplored hints being followed. 

[TBD 17,257]

All I can say is, if possible I'd trade my life here for the pony world.

[Senko 459]

I see the episodes/books as like the stories told by the girls during the Flyder attack we see the part of the story that makes it a good story (personal opinions not considered here) but they aren't telling us everything. Even in the episodes we see glimpses of things that aren't expanded on e.g. the funeral the cutie mark crusaders crash through in one episode or all the machinery and electronics Twilight uses to try and measure Pinkies Pinky sense, even the fact Scootaloo and Derpy both seem to have issues that can't be solved by magic or science and the Everfree has weather/animals the ponies can't influence. Their world's as complex as ours but getting "And so the comet Asterides travelled across the sky in a sort of fushcia/egg shell mix of light caused by the refraction of its reflected sunlight on the Equestrian atmosphere. The colour being caused by a mixture of Quartz and Amonite particles scattered amongst the ice forming the majority of . . . ." tends to only be an interesting story to a certain subset of viewers.

[Unity 332]

7 hours ago, Senko said:

I see the episodes/books as like the stories told by the girls during the Flyder attack we see the part of the story that makes it a good story (personal opinions not considered here) but they aren't telling us everything. Even in the episodes we see glimpses of things that aren't expanded on e.g. the funeral the cutie mark crusaders crash through in one episode or all the machinery and electronics Twilight uses to try and measure Pinkies Pinky sense, even the fact Scootaloo and Derpy both seem to have issues that can't be solved by magic or science and the Everfree has weather/animals the ponies can't influence. Their world's as complex as ours but getting "And so the comet Asterides travelled across the sky in a sort of fushcia/egg shell mix of light caused by the refraction of its reflected sunlight on the Equestrian atmosphere. The colour being caused by a mixture of Quartz and Amonite particles scattered amongst the ice forming the majority of . . . ." tends to only be an interesting story to a certain subset of viewers.

I can see you were trying to make a good point and you started to.

but maybe reprase?

[Sondash Studios 4,856]

Maybe it is a smidge more complex due to all their knowledge of magic, spells, and other stuff.

[Unity 332]

1 minute ago, Sondash Studios said:

Maybe it is a smidge more complex due to all their knowledge of magic, spells, and other stuff.

but with magic and stuff their universe wouldn't need all of the physics

[Sondash Studios 4,856]

17 minutes ago, Unity said:

but with magic and stuff their universe wouldn't need all of the physics

true, but I'm saying that in a way, they know more than we do with all their knowledge like Star Swirl for example. Their world might be more simple than ours, but not their lives.

[Unity 332]

2 hours ago, Sondash Studios said:

true, but I'm saying that in a way, they know more than we do with all their knowledge like Star Swirl for example. Their world might be more simple than ours, but not their lives.

And when that all boils down their universe being more simple or complex only really matters if you think about it.

And they can really just choose to have more complicated lives.

You can be literally a rock farmer, or like Starswirl, both are what you would choose to do and i don't really think you are forced into anything.

so sort of. Their Lives can be more complex than ours if you look at it that way.

but I would say they are a lot simpler as they have to worry about less than us humans do.

[Sondash Studios 4,856]

True, well said. but they can add more drama and and make things beyond control, but ya, they might be more simple.

[NirvanaSparkle 4]

Equestria is in a lot of ways a world where if we took the best of our society, technology, and our hopes and made it real. The bigget difference is the the importance of being directly communicating with people. As well as the fact that like unicorns with magic, we share a need to make tasks simple with technology but everything in Equestria is taught to benefit the greater whole of all. We share a lot in common with this world which makes certain episodes hit close to home, You could say these characters are more human than we are. But in the best ways.

[Unity 332]

29 minutes ago, NirvanaSparkle said:

Equestria is in a lot of ways a world where if we took the best of our society, technology, and our hopes and made it real. The bigget difference is the the importance of being directly communicating with people. As well as the fact that like unicorns with magic, we share a need to make tasks simple with technology but everything in Equestria is taught to benefit the greater whole of all. We share a lot in common with this world which makes certain episodes hit close to home, You could say these characters are more human than we are. But in the best ways.

that last statement does not really make much sense as humans were not intended to be like the Ponies are.

Humans are more violent by nature and that is the difference.

they are not more human than we are but they are the better parts of humans.

P.S. welcome to the forums

[NirvanaSparkle 4]

Fair enough Unity and thanks

[Senko 459]

14 hours ago, Unity said:

I can see you were trying to make a good point and you started to.

but maybe reprase?

Hazards of posting when tired. I'm just saying that the episodes we see are like a tale told by one person to another. You don't hear every detail of their camping trip but you do hear about how they ran into a swarm of Flyders, got caught in a cave and found a shortcut to the campsite because that's what stands out. There's a huge amount of information we simply don't know about their world but that is hinted at in various episodes. A glimpse of a coffin here, construction ponies there, a reference to certain animals that can hibernate up to 40 moons but they aren't the focus of the tale but that doesn't mean they aren't there. To me Equestria seems a sort of idealized pony inhabited 1950's world but it still has a lot of darkness and difficulty e.g. Scootaloo, Flyders, Confidence tricksters.

Edited August 5, 2018 by Senko

[Quantum Pony 40]

This is a really interesting topic (one which I really want to discuss) and I think our two universes have a lot in common! First of all, we can look at the more fundamental things that defines a universe. In our universe, there are four fundamental forces that constitutes all the forces of the universe: Gravity, Electromagnetism, Weak force and Strong froce. Let's see if we have that in poniverse  .

Gravity: The the best example of gravity is that 'things fall' in Equestria, let it be an anvil, a piano or a Rarity. But what about the sun and the moon? The are raised magically by Luna and Celestia which is clearly different than orbiting around Earth. I made an argument in [1] that there is no reason for planets and stars to be orbiting around each other, they just happens to do so. I also conjectured that the Sun and Moon are equally close to Earth and are of equal size to make it consistent with the show. 

Electromagnetism: Electromagnetism is the combination of the forces that drives magnets and the forces that drives a Tesla car. Again, we see this in poniverse from the gadgets in Twilight's lab to what powers Vinyl's bass canon. In fact, electromagnetism also manifests itself as light waves, which again is observed in Equestria. 

Now for the tricker bit. 

Strong Force: Strong force is intimately connected with nuclear reactions in nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons. But on an everyday level, strong force is what holds quarks together to make up protons and neutrons which makes up most of our universe (well, not really 'most' xD). So now we have to make some assumptions: Ponies are made up of atoms. This is a pretty big assumption and definitely not something that is confirmed in any of the episodes. However, if its atomic structure is different than ours, the way ponies move or interact with their surroundings should look a lot more unusual than displayed in the show. But with this assumption, we can argue that strong force does exist in poniverse. 

 

Weak Force: Another more bizzare force that we don't see everyday. These are forces that are involved in nuclear decays: the process of a subatomic particle changing from one to another. So again we need to look for indirect evidence in the show. Luckily, the weak force is essential for nuclear reactions in the sun, and without it the sun would not burn. So if we assume the Equestrian sun is in fact a star that undergoes similar nuclear reactions as our star, we can assume weak force is in the Equestrian universe as well. 

So we can conclude, with some assumptions, that the fundamental forces that exists in our universe exists in poniverse. But what about forces that exists in poniverse which are absent in ours? I hereby conjecture that the Fifth Fundamental Force of Poniverse is : Magic. 

 

Magic: Magic is an integral part of poniverse and clearly satisfies all the definitions for a Force. For example, a unicorn/alicorn can use it to interact with a Rainbow or a Rainbow Dash. Furthermore, Luna and Celestia using them to raise the Moon and the Sun shows it's clearly a long ranged force. A long ranged force that is abundant in poniverse will clearly add a much richer dynamics and structure to the physics of poniverse. One which we should really investigate further in the future. 

In conclusion, I think poniverse includes the physics in our universe but with additional dynamics due to the existence of magic. It will also be interesting to compare Poniverse to EQG universe, especially since the two are now connected via Twilight's portal. 

Spoiler

And perhaps Friendship plays a fundamental role in Equestria physics as well

(Sorry for the long post  , I've been quite excited about how science works in Equestria. This post makes me want to restart my (extremely short) blog  )  

Reference:

[1] Quantum Pony (2018) Celestial Conjecture

 

[Thrond 3,263]

If we do pretend that Equestria is real, there's no reason to assume it would be less complex. Everything we've seen would need scientific theories to explain it, and all natural phenomena in Equestria are surely the result of various interconnected processes. I don't have a strong science background, so I can't build up any fun hypotheses, but there's 2 more cents from me. 

[Unity 332]

3 hours ago, Quantum Pony said:

This is a really interesting topic (one which I really want to discuss) and I think our two universes have a lot in common! First of all, we can look at the more fundamental things that defines a universe. In our universe, there are four fundamental forces that constitutes all the forces of the universe: Gravity, Electromagnetism, Weak force and Strong froce. Let's see if we have that in poniverse  .

Gravity: The the best example of gravity is that 'things fall' in Equestria, let it be an anvil, a piano or a Rarity. But what about the sun and the moon? The are raised magically by Luna and Celestia which is clearly different than orbiting around Earth. I made an argument in [1] that there is no reason for planets and stars to be orbiting around each other, they just happens to do so. I also conjectured that the Sun and Moon are equally close to Earth and are of equal size to make it consistent with the show. 

Electromagnetism: Electromagnetism is the combination of the forces that drives magnets and the forces that drives a Tesla car. Again, we see this in poniverse from the gadgets in Twilight's lab to what powers Vinyl's bass canon. In fact, electromagnetism also manifests itself as light waves, which again is observed in Equestria. 

Now for the tricker bit. 

Strong Force: Strong force is intimately connected with nuclear reactions in nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons. But on an everyday level, strong force is what holds quarks together to make up protons and neutrons which makes up most of our universe (well, not really 'most' xD). So now we have to make some assumptions: Ponies are made up of atoms. This is a pretty big assumption and definitely not something that is confirmed in any of the episodes. However, if its atomic structure is different than ours, the way ponies move or interact with their surroundings should look a lot more unusual than displayed in the show. But with this assumption, we can argue that strong force does exist in poniverse. 

 

Weak Force: Another more bizzare force that we don't see everyday. These are forces that are involved in nuclear decays: the process of a subatomic particle changing from one to another. So again we need to look for indirect evidence in the show. Luckily, the weak force is essential for nuclear reactions in the sun, and without it the sun would not burn. So if we assume the Equestrian sun is in fact a star that undergoes similar nuclear reactions as our star, we can assume weak force is in the Equestrian universe as well. 

So we can conclude, with some assumptions, that the fundamental forces that exists in our universe exists in poniverse. But what about forces that exists in poniverse which are absent in ours? I hereby conjecture that the Fifth Fundamental Force of Poniverse is : Magic. 

 

Magic: Magic is an integral part of poniverse and clearly satisfies all the definitions for a Force. For example, a unicorn/alicorn can use it to interact with a Rainbow or a Rainbow Dash. Furthermore, Luna and Celestia using them to raise the Moon and the Sun shows it's clearly a long ranged force. A long ranged force that is abundant in poniverse will clearly add a much richer dynamics and structure to the physics of poniverse. One which we should really investigate further in the future. 

In conclusion, I think poniverse includes the physics in our universe but with additional dynamics due to the existence of magic. It will also be interesting to compare Poniverse to EQG universe, especially since the two are now connected via Twilight's portal. 

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And perhaps Friendship plays a fundamental role in Equestria physics as well

(Sorry for the long post  , I've been quite excited about how science works in Equestria. This post makes me want to restart my (extremely short) blog  )  

Reference:

[1] Quantum Pony (2018) Celestial Conjecture

 

Quite glad to have more like you here. The majority of the science-ish ones left.

I am reading your blog post on the Sun and Moon in Equestria now and I think that you should be making YouTube videos with this knowledge.

[Quantum Pony 40]

1 hour ago, Unity said:

Quite glad to have more like you here. The majority of the science-ish ones left.

I am reading your blog post on the Sun and Moon in Equestria now and I think that you should be making YouTube videos with this knowledge.

Thanks =) 

I actually wanted to but there are just so many amazing MLP videos out there I don't really think mine stood a chance haha. (especially since I have 0 animating skills  ). 

I really wanted to meet other Sciency ponies out there but there doesn't seem to be many that are currently active  

I've seen a lot of interesting science posts but they were from a looooooooooong time ago.  

Well, at least it is nice meeting you guys here  

 

[Wonderbolt Slipstream 264]

No, it's a simple world where anything difficult to explain would just sum up to "it's magic", like friendship.