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[Evil Pink One 13,506]

2 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

I can't tell if you're trolling, producing bad faith arguments out of spite, or fundamentally don't understand how physics works.

If it is the latter, I would like to help you understand, but if it is the former I have no interest in continuing.

I ain't trolling and again I just put out examples. I really did do that experiment. And why would I spite? Sure sometimes I troll but never spite. And the one in YouTube is legit and famous. 

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

I'm an aircraft mechanic and I'm basing some of my experience from work, where we do weightlessness and not changing it's mass and what not. But the problem is it's kinda hard to explain it. 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@-Solstice-

1 hour ago, -Solstice- said:

What do you think of my proposal for Radiant Hope?

I'd prefer if I were the only one playing villains for this RP, just to keep things consistent.

 

As to the Summer War:

4 hours ago, -Solstice- said:

Am interested why Equestria and the Empire would side with a country that suppresses it's own population

Part of it is that Celestia didn't know what was going on in Cervidas, just that Queen Yzma called on her for aid against rebels, and it would look bad if she refused. So in a way Equestria was dragged into the conflict rather than joining of their own accord. Given the Crystal Empire mostly relies on Equestria for their wellbeing, and the Crystal Empire doesn't really have a standing army, they mostly supported in name only, and only through Equestria.

Anyway, the timeline of events. In the universe where this takes place, my universe, the Summer War replaces Tirek in the timeline as Troy exists to defend the gates of Tartarus and prevent Tirek from escaping in the first place. Between Discord's reformation Twilight's coronation the deer tribes and villages start meeting to discuss succession from Cervidas and the reindeer royalty. They form an interim government and petition redress from Cervidas, while also seeking out allies in the world if things get violent. Troy agrees to recognize them as a sovereign nation in exchange for greated scientific contribution by their machinists and a mutual defensive pact.

This agreement extends over the Trojan election cycle, and Consul Iron Hoof is replaced by Consul Midget Hooves, who is attacked by a reindeer bomber after concluding negotiations with West Cervidas, killing the leader of the Fastar Clan in the process. Secretly the bomber was sent by a third party interested in causing war, not Cervidas, but Cervidas refused to confirm or deny involvement.

Vice-Consul Illiad Easle is in charge while Consul Hooves recovers from the attack. Illiad starts negotiations with the pirates of North Port and South Port as Troy doesn't have a navy, as well as preemptively moving some troops to West Cervidas and authorizes the construction of the Pericles.

Consul Hooves is discharged from the hospital and returns to active duty, confirming Illiad's actions.

About one year after Twilight's coronation (I think of each season of the show as one year) at the start of Summer tensions on the Cervidian continent boil over and war is formally declared. The Equis Global Council summons the world leaders for a peace summit in an effort to mitigate the effects of the war and ensure all parties follow basic rules of engagement. Queen Yzma of Cervidas declines, but all others are present.

Equestria sends a blockade of ships to Eternities Sea to prevent Trojan troops from reaching the Cervidian continent. Troy severs the railroad ties between Troy and Equestria north of Dodge Jct, which cuts off Dodge Jct and Appaloosa from Equestrian support. Troy reveals a secret wall they've been building under the border by having hundreds of golems lift it out of the sand, firmly establishing their borders for the first time in history. Appaloosa is well within Troy's new borders.

Troy attacks the blockade with a fleet of airships supported by the pirates. during the battle the Pericles is revealed, a first of it's kind flying fortress the size of a small cloud city held aloft by mostly clouds plus a pair of massive turbines. It also carries some of the largest guns ever built, which combined with the airships make short work of the blockade. Half of the airships head north to install their own blockade to keep Equestrian reinforcements off the Cervidian continent. Some airships even head into Equestria. The Pericles heads toward Cervidas.

Forerunner, a Trojan General, heads to the Blackwater Protectorate to negotiate their peaceful surrender to Troy, they capitulate after some negotiation. An airfield is constructed in the area and a garrison of troops stationed to defend the area. The Griffons are kept out of the protectorate as part of the deal.

A small group from the Trojan air force defects, stealing a plane and escaping to the Crystal Empire, offering the stolen tech in exchange for amnesty. They are promised protection by the Crystal Empire.

The griffons attack the rail line between the Crystal Empire and Equestria, forcing the Crystal Empire to withdraw the few troops they could spare to protect it, effectively neutralizing the Empire as a participant in the war. Troy sends a special task force Scarves of Red to eliminate the defectors in the Empire, the stolen plane is destroyed and the traitors executed, but there are no casualties among the Crystal Empire.

Consul Hooves authorizes an attack on Canterlot, using a stolen train to collapse and block the tunnel heading up the mountain, thus cutting off Canterlot's supply lines except by air. Trojan airships then move in to blockade it from above, cutting Canterlot off from the rest of Equestria. Equestrian nobles are offered the opportunity to defect in exchange for safe passage out of the city. Few accept. Prince Blueblood starts to secretly raid the Canterlot storehouse to maintain his lavish lifestyle.

The Pericles advances across Cervidas, devastating all resistance from the ground, supported from below by Trojan and Cervidian troops.

Celestia is taunted by Midget, Celestia decides to bring winter early as it will cause the deer to lose their horns and boost the magical strength of the reindeer, in the hopes of forcing an end to the war. The early winter devastates food production for Troy and Equestria. Equestria's food stores run low. The Pericles speeds up it's progress, outpacing the ground troops, in the hope of sacking the Cervidian capitol before Winter can fully arrive.

Queen Yzma reveals her plan to her son Kuzco, she has captured several wendigos who she plans to release in the near future to plunge the whole world into eternal winter with the reindeer the new rulers of the world. Yzma has her antlers plated in minostralium to greatly improve her power and maintain them year round. Kuzco pretends to go along with his mother's plan and gets his own antlers plated.

Queen Yzma unveils her own special weapon, the largest gun ever built, and uses her magnified powers to shoot down the Pericles in one shot. The Pericles goes down deep behind enemy lines, they refit the armor plating to turn the downed ship into a fortress, all the forces are trapped inside. Some of the troops escape in a portion of the clouds with some of the smaller guns to cover their retreat.

Trojan troops rush to reach the downed vessel, but are rebuked by the reindeer as winter approaches and their power expands. Celestia's flagship, the Daybreak, melts through one of the armor plates of the Pericles, allowing the reindeer troops to enter, taking only one prisoner, General Hightower, all other trojan troops are executed. The large guns are scuttled before they can be captured. They shoot down the Daybreak before they are destroyed.

The reindeer force the Deer and Trojans to a stalemate. Queen Yzma prepares to begin her plan, officially passing the right to rule to Kuzco, who immediately kills his mother with the ceremonial sword, removing her antlers in the process. Kuzco arrives at the peace summit to negotiate Cervidas's surrender.

 

And that's how it goes. Let me know what you think.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Everyone has gravity in them so technically I could make everyone weak....

Not really, while it's true that everyone has Gravity in them, gravity is not what holds creatures together, but the atomic and cellular bonds, otherwise astronauts would fall apart. Although it is true that the human body does rely on gravity to keep some organs together. If they were able to properly anchor themselves they would be just as strong in space as on Earth.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Yes but Foreign Object Damage/Debris, such as plastic can easily dent or destroy metal due to "No Friction".

That's not due to no friction, outside of there not being friction to slow them down. That has everything to do with their mass and ludicrous speed, as those objects too are just as weightless in space, and in fact still lighter than the metal they are impacting. Once again proving that strength is not dependent on weight.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

And even in vacuum in space we still have to calculate the others gravity that is being made by anything in space.... Such as the black hole in the center of our milky way... Or whatever is in that. And also the ever expanding force blown by the big bang... Etc.

Yes, but these forces are negligible at best, and the physics still holds true if they are ignored. Even if we consider that the weight of the draft is non-zero, it is no weaker than it was on the surface.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

And there's a topic about negative weight.

Weight is simply the force of gravity acting on an object, therefore there could only be negative weight if a planet was pushing something away from itself, or the object had negative mass. An object can have a net negative weight if enough force is acting on it to overcome gravity, but that's the same as the planet pushing it away, it will push anything it collides with in the same direction it travels.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

I also did that experiment where I peed and put a constant flow of water between it and the drain.

Gross. I'm not dignifying this with a response, and this is hardly a valid experiment.

 

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Because the sheep has less density than water, making the water heavier than the ship.

Density is weight over volume, the water is not heavier than the ship, the ship is simply larger than the volume of water it would take to equal it's weight. Something having less density does not necessarily make it lighter than another thing.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

In a way.... It does get weaker..... Or everything else becomes stronger because of weightless ness es sesss...

Everything else gets stronger? Seriously? And again, in what way does it get weaker?

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

You can lift the weapon but swinging it will throw you off.

Sure, because it is heavy enough to shift your center of balance. Just because it isn't useful doesn't change that it can be lifted by a person lighter than it.

4 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Weight still applies, if there is no weight, then gravity won't be pulling it down to hit it, mass or no mass.

Lacking weight requires either a lack of gravity or mass. You have your conclusion reversed: If there was no gravity pulling it down it would have no weight. It also must have mass to have weight. Because again Weight = Mass * Gravity, and to go a step further Gravity = (Gravitational Constant) * ((Mass of the first object * Mass of the second object)/(Distance between them squared)) So now there's Mass three times in the weight equation. And exactly four options for how you would reduce the weight of something:

1. Reduce the mass of the object
2. Reduce the gravitational constant
3. Reduce the mass of the planet
4. Increase the distance between the object and the planet.

Only by reducing the mass of the object would you make it weaker in and of itself.

5 hours ago, Kujamih said:

Without friction things are easily removed like screws

That is true, but reducing weight does not always reduce friction. While it would reduce friction due to gravity it would do nothing for friction caused by contact by any other force, for instance trying to pull the door away from the wall. It also won't help if the screws are rusted to the hinges.

5 hours ago, Kujamih said:

So I just have to find the weakest material attached to it and push it off then WALA!! 

Yes, that much is accurate.

 

I think we've stepped far away from the original problem, but I think we've strongly concluded that reducing the weight of something without reducing it's mass in no way weakens it provided that the object in question is not made of constituant parts held together by gravity. (IE, while a stone tower would be weaker with less weight, the stones themselves would be no weaker.)

[Starforce 27]

@Illiad Easle

The Reindeer are the ones orchestrating this whole affair it seems, divide and conquer so they say - I wonder how Celestia and the Equestrians will react to unknowingly aiding a regime that wants to take over the world for themselves. I found myself rooting for Troy as I read this. I enjoyed reading all the details of this.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Well here's a theory..

There's a bar of metal, rectangle.

Fifty percent of it is heavy in weight and the other is very light.

The heavy side would tilt down and the other would tilt up.

But what would happen if the other half suddenly got negative weight or instant zero weight? 

 True it'll just drag it down with it right? But what if you applied enough speed to tug both the materials? It's bound to separate? Right.

For example if I made the metal lighter than air.... Then it'll float. But what if I made a small piece of it heavy?

The air would hold the light metal and the heavy metal piece would drop off of it. 

 

 

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

Then again it could just end up lifting everything up.....

But if you suddenly applied it fast enough it would get tugged off... 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@-Solstice-

More or less, I'm glad you liked it! I've been thinking about that war for several years now. One day I'll actually write the story.

 

@Kujamih

7 minutes ago, Kujamih said:

But if you suddenly applied it fast enough it would get tugged off... 

That's fair, assuming you supplied sufficient force to exceed the metallic bonds. 

[Starforce 27]

25 minutes ago, Illiad Easle said:

@-Solstice-

More or less, I'm glad you liked it! I've been thinking about that war for several years now. One day I'll actually write the story.

As for my idea involving Radiant Hope, I had the concept that she would basically be in Jail or in some sort of Cell, could probably do experimentation with her dark magic or something. She's basically an AU Sombra, she'd just be scum being in jail to rot. And yeah, I am interested in it!

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

2 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih

Not really, while it's true that everyone has Gravity in them, gravity is not what holds creatures together, but the atomic and cellular bonds, otherwise astronauts would fall apart. Although it is true that the human body does rely on gravity to keep some organs together. If they were able to properly anchor themselves they would be just as strong in space as on Earth.

That's not due to no friction, outside of there not being friction to slow them down. That has everything to do with their mass and ludicrous speed, as those objects too are just as weightless in space, and in fact still lighter than the metal they are impacting. Once again proving that strength is not dependent on weight.

Yes, but these forces are negligible at best, and the physics still holds true if they are ignored. Even if we consider that the weight of the draft is non-zero, it is no weaker than it was on the surface.

Weight is simply the force of gravity acting on an object, therefore there could only be negative weight if a planet was pushing something away from itself, or the object had negative mass. An object can have a net negative weight if enough force is acting on it to overcome gravity, but that's the same as the planet pushing it away, it will push anything it collides with in the same direction it travels.

Gross. I'm not dignifying this with a response, and this is hardly a valid experiment.

 

Density is weight over volume, the water is not heavier than the ship, the ship is simply larger than the volume of water it would take to equal it's weight. Something having less density does not necessarily make it lighter than another thing.

Everything else gets stronger? Seriously? And again, in what way does it get weaker?

Sure, because it is heavy enough to shift your center of balance. Just because it isn't useful doesn't change that it can be lifted by a person lighter than it.

Lacking weight requires either a lack of gravity or mass. You have your conclusion reversed: If there was no gravity pulling it down it would have no weight. It also must have mass to have weight. Because again Weight = Mass * Gravity, and to go a step further Gravity = (Gravitational Constant) * ((Mass of the first object * Mass of the second object)/(Distance between them squared)) So now there's Mass three times in the weight equation. And exactly four options for how you would reduce the weight of something:

1. Reduce the mass of the object
2. Reduce the gravitational constant
3. Reduce the mass of the planet
4. Increase the distance between the object and the planet.

Only by reducing the mass of the object would you make it weaker in and of itself.

That is true, but reducing weight does not always reduce friction. While it would reduce friction due to gravity it would do nothing for friction caused by contact by any other force, for instance trying to pull the door away from the wall. It also won't help if the screws are rusted to the hinges.

Yes, that much is accurate.

 

I think we've stepped far away from the original problem, but I think we've strongly concluded that reducing the weight of something without reducing it's mass in no way weakens it provided that the object in question is not made of constituant parts held together by gravity. (IE, while a stone tower would be weaker with less weight, the stones themselves would be no weaker.)

Thanks and I do agree on your points, usually to the ones I don't reply means I agree and do not have to add stuff....

 

BUT!   I really want to do something about being light can cause brittleness....

And it just hit me..... Vibration....

If I constantly make the material heavy and very light very fast on and off it'll vibrate the living hell out of the material and even cause it to explode right? That's it! I'll make the material vibrate due to making it switch to light and heavy very fast.

This is what I usually do when a piece of the aircraft won't come off... I constantly yank it causing friction and vibration..... Ending up destroying the damn thing.... 

[Blitz Boom 4,627]

I'll be off until Friday, since my dad needs some garden help. Just imagine that while I'm gone, and you seemingly go into a fight scene, that Last will be watching, and evaluating how the team would do. In case you wanna keep writing while I'm gone, that is.  I don't wanna keep you all hanging, so this should function as a sort of *neutral post*

[Blitz Boom 4,627]

@Illiad Easle

Think I got all potential *what if's* in the post there. If not, just lemme know, and I'll clarify. Might not be the smartest thing she will ever have done either, but she's a soldier. This here's what Last is used to.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Blitz Boom

10 hours ago, Blitz Boom said:

Then again, it could teleport perhaps... Oh, it better freaking not.

 

One day you'll learn to not give me ideas like this. I may not use it now, but I might use it later.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Illiad Easle

[Starforce 27]

@Illiad Easle @Kujamih @Blitz Boom

Using AI I created a human Spiral, although the eyes aren't the same size and there is some to left be desired here. 

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

21 minutes ago, -Solstice- said:

@Illiad Easle @Kujamih @Blitz Boom

Using AI I created a human Spiral, although the eyes aren't the same size and there is some to left be desired here. 

God dang it @-Solstice-.... I think you just cursed the whole forums..... 

Guess we have 7 days to live now.... 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@Kujamih @-Solstice-

I should clarify, when I said that Spiral was dropped unceremoniously, that was because the magic bubble holding her disappeared when the golem lost power. She is not in the bubble when Light approaches.

[Starforce 27]

@Kujamih @Illiad Easle

Noted, will keep that in mind.

[Evil Pink One 13,506]

6 hours ago, Illiad Easle said:

@Kujamih @-Solstice-

I should clarify, when I said that Spiral was dropped unceremoniously, that was because the magic bubble holding her disappeared when the golem lost power. She is not in the bubble when Light approaches.

Then consider those actions null and void. 👍

[Blitz Boom 4,627]

@Illiad Easle

On 2022-07-15 at 6:29 AM, Illiad Easle said:

One day you'll learn to not give me ideas like this. I may not use it now, but I might use it later.

Why do you think I wrote it?

Also, will not make replies today. Work schedule got messy, so utterly drained today. Will sort things here, and in our own thread, tomorrow though.

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

9 minutes ago, Spiral Spell said:

out of the view of the Kitsune.

Funny you would think anything would be out of her view.

 

10 minutes ago, Spiral Spell said:

We would rather die.

Careful, she might oblige you.

[Starforce 27]

@Illiad Easle

I know, I don't have any good ideas for this combat scene. 

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@-Solstice-

Who said this was a combat scene? 

The kitsune could have killed you at any point before now, why did she bring you all this way just to fight you?

Maybe she could tell that you three use violence as your first response to adversity, and is simply trying to speak to you in a language that you'll understand?

Maybe she's just crazy from centuries of isolation?

 

The hint is that you'll need to be creative here, things are being portrayed in a specific way to get you to act a certain way, like puppets on a string.

[Starforce 27]

@Illiad Easle

I have a better idea now that you mention that, may I edit?

[Illiad Easle 3,139]

@-Solstice-

Go right ahead

[Starforce 27]

@Illiad Easle

It is now edited.