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[Shift 4,272]

I only have PO, but could I compete? I'm anewbie at CB, but i'll attempt.

 

Are we doing this on PO? Or the DS Console?

[Espeon 338]

I stepped away for a few hours and this went from one page to three. Excellent. To all those who suggested an admittedly simple "No legendaries" rule, let me explain why that's not typically a thing in competitive Pokemon.

 

First of all, not all legendaries are even good. Phione is considered a legendary, and it has a Base Stat Total of 480, the same as Bellossom, Electrode, Shiftry, etc etc. Entei has high Attack and okay Sp. Attack, but next to no physical moves and very few special moves. Articuno gets half its health taken off by switching into Stealth Rock, and Ice/Flying is a pretty bad defensive type for something to have defensive-leaning stats. Pretty much nothing Ice-type is good at all defensively. That leaves offense, but Articuno has only 85/95 base offensive stats and a very bad movepool. Hell, Kyurem has a 660 Base Stat Total, only 20 less than major cover legendaries like Groudon, and it's still not even OU because, despite 125/90/90 defenses, it's Ice/Dragon type and therefore weak to common types like Rock, Steel, Dragon, and Fighting and despite 130/130 offenses, it has a physical movepool of Outrage and Stone Edge with only Hone Claws to boost and a special movepool of Ice Beam/Blizzard, Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, and with the release of BW2, Earth Power, which is alright, but Ice and Dragon have redundant coverage. I can see it slowly becoming OU later in BW2 because it got some cool new toys like Earth Power and Roost, though. What was I saying here oh yeah legendary =/= good or Uber.

 

In fact, Pokemon like Blaziken, Garchomp, and Excadrill are Uber. Blaziken got Speed Boost from Dream World, so it can be at use Swords Dance and Protect to get a massive Attack boost and build up speed to the point where it can only be revenged by priority, and the only priority it's weak to is the fairly uncommon Aqua Jet. Its STABs are also ridiculously powerful on their own, given that it has Flare Blitz which is boostable by sun and Hi Jump Kick which got buffed to 130 base power. Garchomp is ridiculously good in its own right, given that 108/130/95/80/85/102 stat spread, which gives it a surprising amount of bulk, speed, and power. 102 base Speed is super-trolly, since there are a ton of Pokemon with base 100 which you can always outspeed with the same investment. 130 base Attack is sexy and can be boosted further by Swords Dance, and compliments the great Dragon/Ground STAB combo which only misses Skarmory and Bronzong for neutral damage. If we're going with a SD set, the last move can be a coverage move - Aqua Tail gets boosted by rain, Stone Edge lets you hit some Flying-types hard without locking yourself into Outrage if you have it - or something like Substitute, which is great on something that forces this many switches and can take hits, and even better given its ability, Sand Veil, which makes beating it in sandstorm totally luck-based. Excadrill has a cool typing with immunities to Toxic/Thunder Wave, as well as 110/135/60/50/65/88 base stats, which are kinda lackluster at first glance. Then you realize that its ability is Sand Rush, which doubles Speed in sandstorm and allows it to outspeed pretty much everything and hit very hard. The only Pokemon that weren't 2HKOed by this thing after a SD were, like, Gliscor and Skarmory, which can both potentially be KOed anyway because of Rock Slide's flinch chance.

 

On the matter of Wobbufett, it was Uber in Gen 4, but isn't in Gen 5 because everything hits a lot harder because of all this weather and puts more pressure on Wobb, which lessened the appeal to use it and made it more easily handled. That said, people don't generally prepare for it as well, so it's still useful for getting free setup, be it entry hazards or a stat boosting move.

 

@Kirby (why don't I use the quote button anymore), a monotype team is totally fine, although I'd assume we're not all doing monotype.

 

And just saying: If we ever want to do anything before BW2, we'd probably have to use Pokemon Online.

[zoruapwns 100]

Yea, it did both of those to me last night. Pick a name and do a rated random battle with it and it should ask you if you want to register to keep your stats. You might have to choose a diff name, but you keep your stuff.

 

thanks currently registering

[Vaporeon 1,168]

And just saying: If we ever want to do anything before BW2, we'd probably have to use Pokemon Online.

 

I'm up for using Pokemon online but who's gonna host the server? Also most of use already have teams for Showdown. Though I don;t see why we couldn't re-create the teams.

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

I'm up for using Pokemon online but who's gonna host the server? Also, most of use already have teams for Showdown. Though, I don't see why we couldn't re-create the teams.

 

You can export them from showdown over to PO.

 

Thankfully, I built mine in PO before moving to Showdown

[Vaporeon 1,168]

Should I use Red's Team in HeartGold and SoulSilver or the other one I made? I guess It doesn't matter.

 

Also how will this Tournament work? We've been talking about what we're gonna use to host it and tiers but not who fights who etc. Will there be a champion? Gym leaders? Is there some sort of "prize"? [Though I have no idea what the prize will be.]

[Espeon 338]

I don't know if we'd have enough people to form a gauntlet challenge of Gym Leaders + Elite 4 and Champion, or even just E4 + Champ. Such a system depends on challengers coming along, and if all the people who are interested in battling are part of the system, we would wind up doing nothing at all.

 

Red, it's up to you to decide what team to use. That said, you're at a disadvantage if we know what it is, so if you are going with Red's team in HGSS, at least make it seem like you still can't decide. That's probably your best bet at retaining the element of surprise, although if we see Pikachu/Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise/Lapras/Snorlax in Team Preview (which is a thing, by the way), the only way to keep us on our toes would be via different movesets. All this pretty much amounts to keeping your team choice ambiguous and, should you use Red's Pokemon, don't copy them to a T. Also consider that Red had an Espeon instead of Lapras in GSC. And that Red's movesets are pretty mediocre. But hey, that's your choice.

[Vaporeon 1,168]

I don't know if we'd have enough people to form a gauntlet challenge of Gym Leaders + Elite 4 and Champion, or even just E4 + Champ. Such a system depends on challengers coming along, and if all the people who are interested in battling are part of the system, we would wind up doing nothing at all.

 

Maybe this tournament could be to "test" everyone and see who's the very best like no one ever was. Whoever wins is the champion and the four runner ups are the Elite four. I don't think we'll have enough people for a proper gym leader system and we could just end up doing nothing like you said but meh it's just an idea.

 

Also I think I'll just use a custom team. I'll still suck but at least you won't know what Pokemon im using.

[Flittershy 6]

I would love to participate in this tournament. My name on there is KittEE97. Is there a list showing specifically what Pokemon we aren't going to use, or are just Ubers banned?

[Perhaps~ 21]

I'm participating as well. My Pokemon showdown name is "Plasmette".

 

Heres a sudjesttion: Can't we just do a bracket styled tournament system? 4 people go up against eachother and then those two fight, and the winner of that fight fights-...you get the idea.

[Vaporeon 1,168]

I'm participating as well. My Pokemon showdown name is "Plasmette".

 

Heres a sudjesttion: Can't we just do a bracket styled tournament system? 4 people go up against eachother and then those two fight, and the winner of that fight fights-...you get the idea.

 

That seems like the best way to do it. Though I still say that if we have enough people we could have some sort of champion and a possible elite four depending on who wins this.

 

Also at this point we should be planning a time and all that.

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

Also at this point we should be planning a time and all that.

This.

 

 

Any idea of a time and date you think would be possibly, good? Maybe start a poll on a set day or something, idk.

[Sepia-chan 495]

This.

 

 

Any idea of a time and date you think would be possibly, good? Maybe start a poll on a set day or something, idk.

 

Oh yeah, this thread.

Anyone wanna take over this for me? It's way to much planning for me.

I suck, I know...

[Vaporeon 1,168]

Oh yeah, this thread.

Anyone wanna take over this for me? It's way to much planning for me.

I suck, I know...

 

Errr I guess I could but I'm not sure I know how. If no one else can I will. Though either way a new thread will probably have to be made.