Love, tolerance, and a preview of things to come

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Here's my most recent proposal from the staff board. Please let us know what you think about the revised numbers aand such.

 

 

 

Certain things, like the idea for exponential point decreases, have not yet been discussed.

 

Whilst most of this is pretty much spot on, I'd say pornographic material is too generically phrased. If someone posts child pornography, that should be an immediate ban, as that is illegal. As well, the one for character limit evasion still seems high. I see people evading that limit EVERYWHERE. I can't go into a thread without seeing something like "(additionalcharactersadditionalcharactersadditionalcharactersadditionalcharacters)" at the bottom of a post. For many people, the limit infraction would be a quick rocket to the moon.

[Bunches 81]

If only you were an admin on the last 4 forums I had been on... Well, then... I probably wouldn't have left them.

 

lol same here! the one i mentioned before where they tried to create a "drama forum", sure it worked as far as keeping all the drama in one forum, but people just got so up in it that the content started lacking and the whole forum went to shit. so yeah it worked in the sense that there was absolutely zero drama anywhere else on the site, but there was also very little content. so yea, guess it wasn't the best idea.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

lol same here! the one i mentioned before where they tried to create a "drama forum", sure it worked as far as keeping all the drama in one forum, but people just got so up in it that the content started lacking and the whole forum went to shit. so yeah it worked in the sense that there was absolutely zero drama anywhere else on the site, but there was also very little content. so yea, guess it wasn't the best idea.

 

Here is my last forum summed up in the form of a haiku:

 

Puerile ones

Those unwise too

In chaos

 

The syllables are off, but I have the right amount of onji.

[Mindrop 412]

"You shouldn't be doing that" backseat moderating got 25 points, while "GTFO and read the damn rules" backseat moderating got a whole punch of 250

But still, the first tier of punishment was still too high imo. There will be some people who will try to abuse it :x

Valid point. Their needs to be a distinction between back seat modding, and pointing minor infractions out. Me responding to a post, and then saying something like, btw, you should hit the 100 character limit to comply with the rules, is not backseat modding in my opinion. It depends on how it is said. Plus, if your only responding to a thread to point something out, that is different too.

 

Heck, trying to get a thread that's off topic back on by stating that and redirecting the thread back on topic in your post should not be backseat modding either.

 

Oh, and does this forum follow standard english spelling and grammar? If so, that needs to be added into the point system (and rules if its not ). And no, I am not talking a couple mistakes (like I am sure any grammar Nazi could find in here), but posts without any grammar and bad spelling.

 

EDIT:

Write in proper, legible English. You are on an English-speaking forum run by English-speaking staff. We cannot moderate content that we cannot read, and "but you can always use Google Translate!" is not an excuse. In addition, while we do not require perfect grammar, you should at least try to punctuate, capitalize, space, and spell properly.

 

@@Zoop,

So yes, I suggest adding in grammar/spelling infractions.

Edited August 20, 2012 by Mindrop

[Evilshy 5,090]

Oh, and does this forum follow standard english spelling and grammar? If so, that needs to be added into the point system (and rules if its not ). And no, I am not talking a couple mistakes (like I am sure any grammar Nazi could find in here), but posts without any grammar and bad spelling.

 

So yes, I suggest adding in grammar/spelling infractions.

 

 

Dear God, please. At the very least, in RP world.

 

How about a system where you get 5 points for every major spelling/grammar error? If a word is still understandable, it's fine, but if not, that's 5 points. Didn't put a period at the end of a sentence, but instead just went straight to the next one (without even capitalizing the first word, you barbarian)? Another 5 points. Not capitalizing "I" when referring to yourself, or using "u" and "2" as a replacement for "you" and "to/too"? 100 GODDAMN POINTS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A FUCKING TEXT MESSAGE AND EVEN IF IT WAS, WHY SHOULD TYPING ON A PHONE BE AN AUTOMATIC WAIVER OF BASIC ENGLISH SKILLS? YOU WENT TO FUCKING SCHOOL, RIGHT?!

If this were implemented, I know a few posts that would get people suspended on their own.

 

 

I'm joking, of course

 

And before anybody get's on my back, as far as I'm concerned, emotes are an acceptable replacement for periods at the end of a sentence. Mostly because something like "I like cake. " looks stupid. The period is an end of the sentence, so if the emote is attached to that sentence, it shouldn't come after the period. However, something like 'I like cake ." looks stupid as well :/

 

[Mindrop 412]

Dear God, please. At the very least, in RP world.

 

How about a system where you get 5 points for every major spelling/grammar error? If a word is still understandable, it's fine, but if not, that's 5 points. Didn't put a period at the end of a sentence, but instead just went straight to the next one (without even capitalizing the first word, you barbarian)? Another 5 points. Not capitalizing "I" when referring to yourself, or using "u" and "2" as a replacement for "you" and "to/too"? 100 GODDAMN POINTS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A FUCKING TEXT MESSAGE AND EVEN IF IT WAS, WHY SHOULD TYPING ON A PHONE BE AN AUTOMATIC WAIVER OF BASIC ENGLISH SKILLS? YOU WENT TO FUCKING SCHOOL, RIGHT?!

If this were implemented, I know a few posts that would get people suspended on their own.

 

 

I'm joking, of course

 

And before anybody get's on my back, as far as I'm concerned, emotes are an acceptable replacement for periods at the end of a sentence. Mostly because something like "I like cake. " looks stupid. The period is an end of the sentence, so if the emote is attached to that sentence, it shouldn't come after the period. However, something like 'I like cake ." looks stupid as well :/

 

 

OH YES!

 

Exactly what I am talking about. Run on sentences with no breaks, capitals or punctuation, as well grammar and spelling problems. It is a nightmare! Sure, their will be grammatical mistakes, and spelling problems, but the posts that make so attempt to use grammar and spelling, away with them!

 

And using emotes as periods? Really?

 

And I like Evilshy's system. Small points per mistake. Probably 10 points, per one, but still. That way, if its one or two, mistakes, they can be slid by, but the posts where no attempt was made, they can chalk up the points easily.

[NavelColt 22,881]

OH YES!

 

Exactly what I am talking about. Run on sentences with no breaks, capitals or punctuation, as well grammar and spelling problems. It is a nightmare! Sure, their will be grammatical mistakes, and spelling problems, but the posts that make so attempt to use grammar and spelling, away with them!

 

And using emotes as periods? Really?

 

And I like Evilshy's system. Small points per mistake. Probably 10 points, per one, but still. That way, if its one or two, mistakes, they can be slid by, but the posts where no attempt was made, they can chalk up the points easily.

 

I think you're both nuts. Spelling errors? Ban the bucker to the moon. First offense.

 

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I think this is definitely starting to look better as it goes through this discussion's suggestions, btw.

[Batbrony 16,055]

Gosh dang, where the buck have I been? This is news to me, as I certainly haven't run across any drama on these forums so far; then again, I might just not be looking in the right places (not that I would, because why in Equestria would I want to get involved in pointless drama ). Anyway, I like this penalty system idea, although I do have a few questions for the moderators. First of all, if we just post a video in like the Youtube thread and just give some details about the creator of the vid and maybe even some complimentary comments and recommendations to other forum members, that wouldn't count as advertisement, right? Also, could you guys maybe define NSFW content? Because sometimes I know that I, and some other members, may post pics that have some foul language, or maybe even mildly suggestive themes, in threads such as the Funny Pony Pics thread. Thanks guys, and again, thanks for looking into continually keeping these forums a friendly and civil place for anypony to go to!!! You guys rock!!!!!

[Zoop 8,384]

@,@@KakeiTheWolf,

 

At the end of the day, common sense will dictate how we approach things that are not explicitly covered by the rules. Linking to malicious files and/or blatantly illegal material will result in a one-way trip to the moon as quickly as possible.

 

Trying to cover everything will only result in a massive document that nobody will read; better, I think, to cover the basics, those things that happen relatively commonly. The points system is not for people that come here with the blatant intent of causing nothing but problems - those people get cracked with the Asshole Stick right off the bat, and sent packing.

 

As for spelling and grammar... I think that's something that we'd probably have to approach on a case-by-case basis really, depending on how extreme the situation is.

 

Also, could you guys maybe define NSFW content? Because sometimes I know that I, and some other members, may post pics that have some foul language, or maybe even mildly suggestive themes, in threads such as the Funny Pony Pics thread.

http://mlpforums.com/topic/28252-love-tolerance-and-a-preview-of-things-to-come/page__st__80#entry659807

 

That post does a good job of covering people's concerns about what we consider NSFW content to be, I think.

[RazzyJam 1,519]

 

Character minimum violations are so high because you have to blatantly and knowingly disregard our rules in order to get a warning for it.

 

"I see an automated system in place to prevent the behavior that I am presently engaging in - I shall attempt to route around it with random character spam"

 

Abusive behavior is, to be completely blunt, being a prick. You can be a prick in a blunt manner, or by trying to be a subtle troll. There are an infinite number of ways to be a disruptive prick, and it's impossible to list them all out, to be honest.

 

 

Wait so even If i can remain on topic and answer in under the character minimum, the spam makes me a prick?

[Zoop 8,384]

Wait so even If i can remain on topic and answer in under the character minimum, the spam makes me a prick?

 

No, it makes you somebody that is knowingly disregarding our rules and spitting all over them. Read what I wrote again - I said that abusive behavior is the act of a prick, not dodging the character minimums.

[Starshine 16,334]

At the end of the day, common sense will dictate how we approach things that are not explicitly covered by the rules.

 

For the stars sake, let us hope there will be no visible loopholes on there!

 

It would be terrible if someone got dissed because of simple misunderstanding about the rules

[Batbrony 16,055]

http://mlpforums.com..._80#entry659807

 

That post does a good job of covering people's concerns about what we consider NSFW content to be, I think.

 

Ah, thank you for clearing that up. Don't worry, you won't see me posting any pornographic material! Thanks again!!!

[RazzyJam 1,519]

No, it makes you somebody that is knowingly disregarding our rules and spitting all over them. Read what I wrote again - I said that abusive behavior is the act of a prick, not dodging the character minimums.

 

 

So... still not good I take it. All the same I guess I can respect where you guys are coming from...

[Dave247 568]

Trying to cover everything will only result in a massive document that nobody will read; better, I think, to cover the basics, those things that happen relatively commonly. The points system is not for people that come here with the blatant intent of causing nothing but problems - those people get cracked with the Asshole Stick right off the bat, and sent packing.

I've seen you say this to a number of questions now I propose that as the last and general rule of however many you decide on to be "Use common sense", and a short description after that as that would cover a lot of things that have been brought up here.

[XUNUSEDXXX 3,459]

Definitely like this idea. Makes the community a much more fun place to be with no tolerance for stuff mentioned.

[Zoop 8,384]

I would like to once again direct people's attention to my post here, which contains an updated version of the proposal in the opening post:

 

http://mlpforums.com...140#entry684532

 

We're still interested in hearing what people think, and if they believe that the new proposal is an improvement over the last.

[My little pwny 1,392]

I would like to once again direct people's attention to my post here, which contains an updated version of the proposal in the opening post:

 

http://mlpforums.com...140#entry684532

 

We're still interested in hearing what people think, and if they believe that the new proposal is an improvement over the last.

 

I'd like to say that you really did a good job on refining this point system thing. I've never seen one quite this way. It prevents trolls from gaming the system, and allows honest people from being punished. Good job.

[techno915 408]

I think that this system is excellent. I am one of the people who find pointless posts annoying. And please, since this is a fun and happy show, keep your posts at least relatively clean when talking about mlp:fim stuff!

 

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techno915

[Terra the Tomekeeper 49]

Without further ado, this is what we are presently looking at. Note that these numbers are subject to change prior to implementation. Pointless/Off-topic posts: 35 points Backseat moderating: 100 points Character minimum violation: 125 points Advertising: 175 Abusive behavior: 250 points Suggestive/borderline NSFW content: 400 points NSFW content: 750 points

Okay, that sounds pretty fair. Do something foolish, or bad, and you get reprimanded/warned. But I have a question, regarding one of those violations.

 

I recently had a post hidden by a mod, stating "Do not bypass the 100 character minimum limit" (Can't quite remember the whole quote, but that's close enough.) I just want to be absolutely clear on how I violated it. (So I can avoid doing this again.)

 

I was typing my post and put something in parentheses... something of "darn character limit." Only as a slight annoyance, really. So... was that the reason it was hidden? If so, won't do that again.

 

(Sheesh, sorry my post was so long. )

[Thunderbolt 35]

I love and tolerate. Don't hate a hater, that's only going to cause a flamewar. Mabye its because I just joined just a few months ago or I havent been to all four corners of this forum yet , but I have yet to see any hating,flamewar,etc. But I know its their so I think this new rule is a good idea. Just follow the rules, respect everyone.